On the fence

[Get SWOLE!!]

In recent weeks I have been looking into the world of aas, something I had never considered before. I've done tons of research, rented Bigger, Faster, stronger, prowled multiple boards and websites. But I'm wondering if I should. Here are my reasons for wondering if I should:

I am 28 and really got into the bodybuilding side of fitness after leaving the Marines in 2002. I was in great shape but very skinny, 150 lbs. I started working out with a buddy in college just to pass the time. After I graduated I took about a Yr off, 2005-2006, and then got back into it. In 2007 I became very serious about it and am now considering competing next year. I am currently 203, 17.5" arms, 45" chest, 17" calves, not sure about the rest, and I'm at approx 13% bf according to my electronic reader. I don't know if I would truly consider myself natural since I have done all kinds of OTC supps like 1-test to my recent p-plex cycle. I've been doing good on these types of supps along with my workout and diet, gaining almost 30 lbs since 2007, 2" to my arms and 3" to my chest in that time. So the reason I ask if I should go to the darkside is because I get good gains from OTC and have not reached a plateau. Hell I pressed 405 last week.

So what do all of you experienced bros think? I'm nervous about it to be sure, I've made great progress from the 150 lbs bonebag that I was, but I want to continue to grow.

Thanks in advance

Semper Fi

[Arnold jr]

That's a very hard question to answer...it's really something that you have to make your mind up about and no one else.

If you're still making progress naturally then staying natural would be fine. Sure, your progress will be greater if you use AAS and to the extent you want to take that is again really up to you.

Use your own judgment, weigh the risk/reward factor and go from there.

[Get SWOLE!!]

I def understand what you are saying. Thanks for the reply.

I was looking at test e for 12 wks at 500 using dbol for a kick off at 4 wks.

But I guess I have more thinking to do on it. Just seems that at least I know more what I'm getting this way and seems to be safer than running all of the OTC methyls

[Arnold jr]

I def understand what you are saying. Thanks for the reply.

I was looking at test e for 12 wks at 500 using dbol for a kick off at 4 wks.

But I guess I have more thinking to do on it. Just seems that at least I know more what I'm getting this way and seems to be safer than running all of the OTC methyls

Yes, it would be much safer then the OTC stuff.

[theworm]

DON'T DO IT!!!!

Its one of those things where you need to be 100 percent in or 100 percent out.  Once you jump in, there is no getting out, and you will (even though you say "no way not me") be cycling off and on for the next several years with no end in site.

one cycle may go on for a half a year, or then a year, the forever....  its a fun ride, but a hard one to stop.

[Arnold jr]

DON'T DO IT!!!!

Its one of those things where you need to be 100 percent in or 100 percent out.  Once you jump in, there is no getting out, and you will (even though you say "no way not me") be cycling off and on for the next several years with no end in site.

one cycle may go on for a half a year, or then a year, the forever....  its a fun ride, but a hard one to stop.

He is right. Once you start turning back is very hard to do. at first it's simply because you're not going to want to. There are those though that do it, run a cycle or two and that's it, but I'd be willing to bet my life on it that they are less then 5% of all AAS users.

Now this isn't to scare you off, but I'll give you a little taste of hard truth...this probably belongs in my "The Truth" thread.

I started using when I was 24, and for the first two years or so I did the basics. Basic cycles, all around 12-16wks, test as a base and deca or tren in most of them, with a mix of various orals for 4-6wks in most of them, along with proper PCT. The next 4 years was a different story. Longer harsher cycles that turned into not cycles at all but more or less not coming off or coming off for only 4-5wks at a time maybe once a year.

This past winter/spring I came off everything altogether and stayed off for the first time in 4 years. What happened? I came off with proper PCT and all that, but it should have been a much longer one and even then I don't know if it would have done the trick. After about a month of being off all my PCT meds I began to crash hard. Energy was in the tank, drive was in the tank, body fat started going up, my sexual desire was way down and keeping an erection became very difficult and sometimes impossible.

So now what? I have not been doing any "Real" cycling. I run 250mg/wk of test-e every 7-10 days. That seems to be just right to keep everything normal...it fixed all my problems. My point, I am now 30 years old and may never be able to come off test for the rest of my life. If I get to a point where I can't afford it I could end up being screwed.

I have spoken to a Dr. who believes that if I do come off everything that with about a year of proper medication and staying off, I could get back to normal. However, I have yet to decide when I will do that simply because I know I probably have a few more really good cycles under my belt and have some desire to do some more bodybuilding related things. Once that's said and done, I'm done, no more cycling at all, no more nothing. I may get on HRT again when I get a little older since I am a firm believer in that but we'll see.

As of now though, no major health problems, no liver problems, no BP problems, no kidney problems...perfect health.

[Get SWOLE!!]

Thanks for all of the persepective....You all have def given me a lot to think about...And you are right, I need to either be 100% with it or not at all

[Luv2Hurt]

He is right. Once you start turning back is very hard to do. at first it's simply because you're not going to want to. There are those though that do it, run a cycle or two and that's it, but I'd be willing to bet my life on it that they are less then 5% of all AAS users.

Now this isn't to scare you off, but I'll give you a little taste of hard truth...this probably belongs in my "The Truth" thread.

I started using when I was 24, and for the first two years or so I did the basics. Basic cycles, all around 12-16wks, test as a base and deca or tren in most of them, with a mix of various orals for 4-6wks in most of them, along with proper PCT. The next 4 years was a different story. Longer harsher cycles that turned into not cycles at all but more or less not coming off or coming off for only 4-5wks at a time maybe once a year.

This past winter/spring I came off everything altogether and stayed off for the first time in 4 years. What happened? I came off with proper PCT and all that, but it should have been a much longer one and even then I don't know if it would have done the trick. After about a month of being off all my PCT meds I began to crash hard. Energy was in the tank, drive was in the tank, body fat started going up, my sexual desire was way down and keeping an erection became very difficult and sometimes impossible.

So now what? I have not been doing any "Real" cycling. I run 250mg/wk of test-e every 7-10 days. That seems to be just right to keep everything normal...it fixed all my problems. My point, I am now 30 years old and may never be able to come off test for the rest of my life. If I get to a point where I can't afford it I could end up being screwed.

I have spoken to a Dr. who believes that if I do come off everything that with about a year of proper medication and staying off, I could get back to normal. However, I have yet to decide when I will do that simply because I know I probably have a few more really good cycles under my belt and have some desire to do some more bodybuilding related things. Once that's said and done, I'm done, no more cycling at all, no more nothing. I may get on HRT again when I get a little older since I am a firm believer in that but we'll see.

As of now though, no major health problems, no liver problems, no BP problems, no kidney problems...perfect health.

Good post.

Gear is addictive plus you will find you may end up spending a bunch of money on it too.



But to be JACKED?....................Pric eless...

[tstmaniac]

He is right. Once you start turning back is very hard to do. at first it's simply because you're not going to want to. There are those though that do it, run a cycle or two and that's it, but I'd be willing to bet my life on it that they are less then 5% of all AAS users.

Now this isn't to scare you off, but I'll give you a little taste of hard truth...this probably belongs in my "The Truth" thread.

I started using when I was 24, and for the first two years or so I did the basics. Basic cycles, all around 12-16wks, test as a base and deca or tren in most of them, with a mix of various orals for 4-6wks in most of them, along with proper PCT. The next 4 years was a different story. Longer harsher cycles that turned into not cycles at all but more or less not coming off or coming off for only 4-5wks at a time maybe once a year.

This past winter/spring I came off everything altogether and stayed off for the first time in 4 years. What happened? I came off with proper PCT and all that, but it should have been a much longer one and even then I don't know if it would have done the trick. After about a month of being off all my PCT meds I began to crash hard. Energy was in the tank, drive was in the tank, body fat started going up, my sexual desire was way down and keeping an erection became very difficult and sometimes impossible.

So now what? I have not been doing any "Real" cycling. I run 250mg/wk of test-e every 7-10 days. That seems to be just right to keep everything normal...it fixed all my problems. My point, I am now 30 years old and may never be able to come off test for the rest of my life. If I get to a point where I can't afford it I could end up being screwed.

I have spoken to a Dr. who believes that if I do come off everything that with about a year of proper medication and staying off, I could get back to normal. However, I have yet to decide when I will do that simply because I know I probably have a few more really good cycles under my belt and have some desire to do some more bodybuilding related things. Once that's said and done, I'm done, no more cycling at all, no more nothing. I may get on HRT again when I get a little older since I am a firm believer in that but we'll see.

As of now though, no major health problems, no liver problems, no BP problems, no kidney problems...perfect health.

wow that must really suck aj...im assuming your natural test levels are really low? what kind of post cycle therapy did you use?

[Rimbaud]

He is right. Once you start turning back is very hard to do. at first it's simply because you're not going to want to. There are those though that do it, run a cycle or two and that's it, but I'd be willing to bet my life on it that they are less then 5% of all AAS users.

Now this isn't to scare you off, but I'll give you a little taste of hard truth...this probably belongs in my "The Truth" thread.

I started using when I was 24, and for the first two years or so I did the basics. Basic cycles, all around 12-16wks, test as a base and deca or tren in most of them, with a mix of various orals for 4-6wks in most of them, along with proper PCT. The next 4 years was a different story. Longer harsher cycles that turned into not cycles at all but more or less not coming off or coming off for only 4-5wks at a time maybe once a year.

This past winter/spring I came off everything altogether and stayed off for the first time in 4 years. What happened? I came off with proper PCT and all that, but it should have been a much longer one and even then I don't know if it would have done the trick. After about a month of being off all my PCT meds I began to crash hard. Energy was in the tank, drive was in the tank, body fat started going up, my sexual desire was way down and keeping an erection became very difficult and sometimes impossible.

So now what? I have not been doing any "Real" cycling. I run 250mg/wk of test-e every 7-10 days. That seems to be just right to keep everything normal...it fixed all my problems. My point, I am now 30 years old and may never be able to come off test for the rest of my life. If I get to a point where I can't afford it I could end up being screwed.

I have spoken to a Dr. who believes that if I do come off everything that with about a year of proper medication and staying off, I could get back to normal. However, I have yet to decide when I will do that simply because I know I probably have a few more really good cycles under my belt and have some desire to do some more bodybuilding related things. Once that's said and done, I'm done, no more cycling at all, no more nothing. I may get on HRT again when I get a little older since I am a firm believer in that but we'll see.

As of now though, no major health problems, no liver problems, no BP problems, no kidney problems...perfect health.

Nice post I can't believe I missed it.

[StillTippin]

He is right. Once you start turning back is very hard to do. at first it's simply because you're not going to want to. There are those though that do it, run a cycle or two and that's it, but I'd be willing to bet my life on it that they are less then 5% of all AAS users.

Now this isn't to scare you off, but I'll give you a little taste of hard truth...this probably belongs in my "The Truth" thread.

I started using when I was 24, and for the first two years or so I did the basics. Basic cycles, all around 12-16wks, test as a base and deca or tren in most of them, with a mix of various orals for 4-6wks in most of them, along with proper PCT. The next 4 years was a different story. Longer harsher cycles that turned into not cycles at all but more or less not coming off or coming off for only 4-5wks at a time maybe once a year.

This past winter/spring I came off everything altogether and stayed off for the first time in 4 years. What happened? I came off with proper PCT and all that, but it should have been a much longer one and even then I don't know if it would have done the trick. After about a month of being off all my PCT meds I began to crash hard. Energy was in the tank, drive was in the tank, body fat started going up, my sexual desire was way down and keeping an erection became very difficult and sometimes impossible.

So now what? I have not been doing any "Real" cycling. I run 250mg/wk of test-e every 7-10 days. That seems to be just right to keep everything normal...it fixed all my problems. My point, I am now 30 years old and may never be able to come off test for the rest of my life. If I get to a point where I can't afford it I could end up being screwed.

I have spoken to a Dr. who believes that if I do come off everything that with about a year of proper medication and staying off, I could get back to normal. However, I have yet to decide when I will do that simply because I know I probably have a few more really good cycles under my belt and have some desire to do some more bodybuilding related things. Once that's said and done, I'm done, no more cycling at all, no more nothing. I may get on HRT again when I get a little older since I am a firm believer in that but we'll see.

As of now though, no major health problems, no liver problems, no BP problems, no kidney problems...perfect health.

I'm 25, almost 26 and I'm where you were a few years back.  Only done one real cycle, about to start my second (this one for a comp) and obviously since I'm so green I still have great health.  I plan to keep a close eye on everything and do it right.
Now I do have plans that if everything goes well, I may start to stay on longer and longer if I feel it is worth it.
I want to have kids someday and one of my biggest concerns is loosing that ability.  When you say you have perfect health, did you have your sperm count checked as well?  Just curious if that has been affected at all.  I know everyone is different and some have even gotten a girl pregnant while on gear, but one more piece of evidence from someone who is straight up about things would be nice.
As of right now my boys do just fine.  Ex. The first time I ever had sex the girl got pregnant.     That'll scare the crap out of any 15 yr old. 

[Get SWOLE!!]

Good post.

Gear is addictive plus you will find you may end up spending a bunch of money on it too.



But to be JACKED?....................Pric eless...

Hell I don't know if it would be any more expensive than what I pay OTC. All this crap is so under dosed you have to buy multiple bottles. 3-ad for 6 weeks at a decent dosage cost about $175. Gained 14 lbs in 6 weeks, lost half with PCT. So some of the prices I've seen with beginner doses of aas maybe cheaper

[Arnold jr]

wow that must really suck aj...im assuming your natural test levels are really low? what kind of post cycle therapy did you use?

Yes, low indeed, but the HRT takes care of everything.

I used the same PCT I have been using for the past 3 years or so, but for the past 3 years when I ran a PCT I was only actually off for a very short period of time.

My PCT for the most part looked like this:

HCG 1000iu/ed for 10 straight days followed by nolva and clomid

wk 1: clomid 300mg/ed
wk 2: clomid 100mg/ed
wk 3: clomid 50mg/ed, nolva 40mg/ed
wk 4: nolva 40mg/ed
wk 5: nolva 30mg/ed
wk 6: nolva 20mg/ed

I'm 25, almost 26 and I'm where you were a few years back.  Only done one real cycle, about to start my second (this one for a comp) and obviously since I'm so green I still have great health.  I plan to keep a close eye on everything and do it right.
Now I do have plans that if everything goes well, I may start to stay on longer and longer if I feel it is worth it.
I want to have kids someday and one of my biggest concerns is loosing that ability.  When you say you have perfect health, did you have your sperm count checked as well?  Just curious if that has been affected at all.  I know everyone is different and some have even gotten a girl pregnant while on gear, but one more piece of evidence from someone who is straight up about things would be nice.
As of right now my boys do just fine.  Ex. The first time I ever had sex the girl got pregnant.     That'll scare the crap out of any 15 yr old. 

Never have had my sperm count checked, but it is something I have thought about because I would imagine it is on the low side right now.

As for getting a girl pregnant while on cycle, I got my girl friend pregnant while on cycle when I was 25...she ended up losing the bay though do to getting extremely sick and ending up in the hospital.

[StillTippin]

As for getting a girl pregnant while on cycle, I got my girl friend pregnant while on cycle when I was 25...she ended up losing the bay though do to getting extremely sick and ending up in the hospital.

 

I'm sorry to hear that man.  I have friends who went through a similar experience.  Their pregnancy was planned though so it was extremely hard.  They are pregnant again though and so far so good, expecting in a couple months.

[tstmaniac]

Yes, low indeed, but the HRT takes care of everything.

I used the same PCT I have been using for the past 3 years or so, but for the past 3 years when I ran a PCT I was only actually off for a very short period of time.

My PCT for the most part looked like this:

HCG 1000iu/ed for 10 straight days followed by nolva and clomid

wk 1: clomid 300mg/ed
wk 2: clomid 100mg/ed
wk 3: clomid 50mg/ed, nolva 40mg/ed
wk 4: nolva 40mg/ed
wk 5: nolva 30mg/ed
wk 6: nolva 20mg/ed

Never have had my sperm count checked, but it is something I have thought about because I would imagine it is on the low side right now.

As for getting a girl pregnant while on cycle, I got my girl friend pregnant while on cycle when I was 25...she ended up losing the bay though do to getting extremely sick and ending up in the hospital.

that is my worst fear to lose my natural test production...so far i havent had any issues...but i dont go on for more then 18 weeks and only do one cycle a year...mayb an extra winter mini cycle but thats about it...can AAS make you permenantly sterile?

[Arnold jr]

that is my worst fear to lose my natural test production...so far i havent had any issues...but i dont go on for more then 18 weeks and only do one cycle a year...mayb an extra winter mini cycle but thats about it...can AAS make you permenantly sterile?

Permanently for life? Doubtful, but it can cause problems for a good while and can take some serious time to get over.

[tstmaniac]

where you using mega doses all year around?

[Arnold jr]

where you using mega doses all year around?

Somewhat.

Ran 1350mg/test/wk for 6 months at one point, cut back down to 750m/wk for say 3 or 4 months, and then went back up to 250mg/eod, which is what I did for about a year and a half before coming off back this past March.

I can't remember the exact numbers of everything, but I know at a few points I ran 3000+ total mg/wk combined with everything I took for long stints. Was also running HGH for a large portion of that time, but never over 4iu/ed but that wouldn't effect what we're talking about but it was part of my bag...along with lots of clen and t-3. 

There was a time when every time I would take a hot shower my nose would bleed and I mean bleed a lot. At that point I cut my deca dose down and it seemed to take care of it for the most part.

Had a nose bleen once while doing heavy squats which is kind of bad ass in a really sick way, lol! But in retrospect it's idiotic.

Best I ever looked I wasn't running too much compared to what I had run in the past, that was the summer of 2007. In 2006 I took the month of December off everything, and got back on test in Jan. just test at 250mg/eod and ran that up until April and then added the HGH back in. In May I started a contest cycle:

test-e 250mg/eod
eq 300mg/eod
clen and t-3 ramping up slowly
hgh 4iu/ed

that was the first half, the 2nd half:

Test prop 200mg/ed
tren-a 75mg/ed
winny 50mg/ed
clen and t-3 ramping up slowly
hgh 4iu/ed

Towards the back of the second half I bumped the tren-a up to 100mg/ed and the winny up to 100mg/ed and took 40mg of halo every day.

2wks out from my show I was running a 104 degree fever, was dehydrated so badly that all the capillaries in my legs from the knees down busted. I also passed out cold at work one day. At the 2wk out mark I looked worse then i did at 3wks out...looked like I was back 5 or so wks...looked bloated and really weird.

Now I don't attribute my mess that happened last summer to AAS per say, more due to the stress of doing way too many things. At that time I was still working in construction in one of the hottest summers we've ever had, working as a personal trainer as well, also I was still trying to get my witting career off the ground combined with training and dieting for a show with 2 a day cardio sessions...it just became too much and my body said no more and simply shut down.

At that time I was working with Dave P. on my contest diet and he advised I take a few wks off altogether and do another show that was in late Oct. But at that point my mind was out of it, I was out of it and I had to lay aside the bodybuilding stuff and concentrate on work more because I was pissing off a lot of people at that point and not helping my overall situation.

I stayed on test after I stopped the diet and would do some other things during the fall winter as far as drugs go but on a smaller scale compared to previous runs. But when the spring started approaching that's when I decided I really needed to put my full attention into other things, and give bodybuilding a full rest for at least a year. Yes, I still train and train hard...not as hard as I used to but still consistently and well. No exact plans for the future but I have my eye and mind on a few things I want to do so time will tell.

[DIVISION]

In recent weeks I have been looking into the world of aas, something I had never considered before. I've done tons of research, rented Bigger, Faster, stronger, prowled multiple boards and websites. But I'm wondering if I should. Here are my reasons for wondering if I should:

I am 28 and really got into the bodybuilding side of fitness after leaving the Marines in 2002. I was in great shape but very skinny, 150 lbs. I started working out with a buddy in college just to pass the time. After I graduated I took about a Yr off, 2005-2006, and then got back into it. In 2007 I became very serious about it and am now considering competing next year. I am currently 203, 17.5" arms, 45" chest, 17" calves, not sure about the rest, and I'm at approx 13% bf according to my electronic reader. I don't know if I would truly consider myself natural since I have done all kinds of OTC supps like 1-test to my recent p-plex cycle. I've been doing good on these types of supps along with my workout and diet, gaining almost 30 lbs since 2007, 2" to my arms and 3" to my chest in that time. So the reason I ask if I should go to the darkside is because I get good gains from OTC and have not reached a plateau. Hell I pressed 405 last week.

So what do all of you experienced bros think? I'm nervous about it to be sure, I've made great progress from the 150 lbs bonebag that I was, but I want to continue to grow.

Thanks in advance

Semper Fi

If you're pressing 405lbs. without AAS, then it's more a matter of goals.

Do you want more size, more strength?

Are you just going for aesthetics?

Less is more, so I'd use the least amount necessary if you want to cross over to the Darkside of the force.



DIV

[tstmaniac]

Somewhat.

Ran 1350mg/test/wk for 6 months at one point, cut back down to 750m/wk for say 3 or 4 months, and then went back up to 250mg/eod, which is what I did for about a year and a half before coming off back this past March.

I can't remember the exact numbers of everything, but I know at a few points I ran 3000+ total mg/wk combined with everything I took for long stints. Was also running HGH for a large portion of that time, but never over 4iu/ed but that wouldn't effect what we're talking about but it was part of my bag...along with lots of clen and t-3. 

There was a time when every time I would take a hot shower my nose would bleed and I mean bleed a lot. At that point I cut my deca dose down and it seemed to take care of it for the most part.

Had a nose bleen once while doing heavy squats which is kind of bad ass in a really sick way, lol! But in retrospect it's idiotic.

Best I ever looked I wasn't running too much compared to what I had run in the past, that was the summer of 2007. In 2006 I took the month of December off everything, and got back on test in Jan. just test at 250mg/eod and ran that up until April and then added the HGH back in. In May I started a contest cycle:

test-e 250mg/eod
eq 300mg/eod
clen and t-3 ramping up slowly
hgh 4iu/ed

that was the first half, the 2nd half:

Test prop 200mg/ed
tren-a 75mg/ed
winny 50mg/ed
clen and t-3 ramping up slowly
hgh 4iu/ed

Towards the back of the second half I bumped the tren-a up to 100mg/ed and the winny up to 100mg/ed and took 40mg of halo every day.

2wks out from my show I was running a 104 degree fever, was dehydrated so badly that all the capillaries in my legs from the knees down busted. I also passed out cold at work one day. At the 2wk out mark I looked worse then i did at 3wks out...looked like I was back 5 or so wks...looked bloated and really weird.

Now I don't attribute my mess that happened last summer to AAS per say, more due to the stress of doing way too many things. At that time I was still working in construction in one of the hottest summers we've ever had, working as a personal trainer as well, also I was still trying to get my witting career off the ground combined with training and dieting for a show with 2 a day cardio sessions...it just became too much and my body said no more and simply shut down.

At that time I was working with Dave P. on my contest diet and he advised I take a few wks off altogether and do another show that was in late Oct. But at that point my mind was out of it, I was out of it and I had to lay aside the bodybuilding stuff and concentrate on work more because I was pissing off a lot of people at that point and not helping my overall situation.

I stayed on test after I stopped the diet and would do some other things during the fall winter as far as drugs go but on a smaller scale compared to previous runs. But when the spring started approaching that's when I decided I really needed to put my full attention into other things, and give bodybuilding a full rest for at least a year. Yes, I still train and train hard...not as hard as I used to but still consistently and well. No exact plans for the future but I have my eye and mind on a few things I want to do so time will tell.

that must have been a rough road my friend....most guys would have quit training after going through all of that...hope your health is all good...im assuming you get regular blood tests done? how is your liver and kidneys?

[theworm]

see, i do not want to be completely depended like that... where i now need test injections every week.

i think one key to this would be to use low dose cycles for short time.... ie. like 500 test only for 12-14 weeks, then use PCT and I bet you can keep your own test levels afterwards and not be completely depended on exogenous test injections...

[Luv2Hurt]

see, i do not want to be completely depended like that... where i now need test injections every week.

i think one key to this would be to use low dose cycles for short time.... ie. like 500 test only for 12-14 weeks, then use PCT and I bet you can keep your own test levels afterwards and not be completely depended on exogenous test injections...

Yes very moderate use would be best for your overall health.

But then if you wanna be out of the ordinary...

[Get SWOLE!!]

If you're pressing 405lbs. without AAS, then it's more a matter of goals.

Do you want more size, more strength?

Are you just going for aesthetics?

Less is more, so I'd use the least amount necessary if you want to cross over to the Darkside of the force.



DIV

Im not so much worried about strength, my goal was to bench double my body weight and I achieved that with the 405, but of course after that there is a new goal, 500...There aren't a lot of ppl in my gym that really throw serious weight, so I don't have a lot to compare my 405 bench to...But there will always be a new strength goal no matter what I reach...But I want size and a look more than anything else...Compared to a lot of ppl I know they think Im big, but I look in the mirror and dont see it...I see "damn I need a few more inches on my arms, my chest needs some size, damn need to hit the legs more"...Maybe this is how all of you guys felt...But maybe that is what it is that sets us apart.

[Arnold jr]

that must have been a rough road my friend....most guys would have quit training after going through all of that...hope your health is all good...im assuming you get regular blood tests done? how is your liver and kidneys?

All my organs are fine...I don't have any other problems. Yes, I get my blood work done

Im not so much worried about strength, my goal was to bench double my body weight and I achieved that with the 405, but of course after that there is a new goal, 500...There aren't a lot of ppl in my gym that really throw serious weight, so I don't have a lot to compare my 405 bench to...But there will always be a new strength goal no matter what I reach...But I want size and a look more than anything else...Compared to a lot of ppl I know they think Im big, but I look in the mirror and dont see it...I see "damn I need a few more inches on my arms, my chest needs some size, damn need to hit the legs more"...Maybe this is how all of you guys felt...But maybe that is what it is that sets us apart.

It can be hard to do, but if the "The Look" is what's most important to you, then the first thing you need to do is stop worrying yourself with the weight you move. Moving big weight is a lot of fun, but it's the wrong mindset when "The Look" is what you're after.

...this is not to say you can't still push some impressive numbers.

[Hereford]

So whats the best way to get 'The Look" AJ?