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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2008, 05:53:19 AM »
There are other liabilities with using steroids, in particular dianabol.  I had a that I worked with who was friends with a lot of old time Russian powerlifters.  He said he knew several that had to be catherized on dbol becaue their prostate would swell they used to much of it.  Maybe fiction maybe fact.  Bottomline, dbol can be a harsh drug for many.  Lots of old timers have had strokes, heart attacks etc.  Was it related to steroids?  Maybe, maybe not.  But there are better options than dbol in my opinion.  High dosed anavar, injectable test, to name a few. 
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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #76 on: November 14, 2008, 06:34:02 AM »
This is suposed to be arnies favorite cycle:

Weeks Primobolan Enanthate (Injectable)  Dianabol (Dbol)
(oral) Deca Durabolin
(Injectable)
Week 1 600mg / week 60mg / day   
Week 2 600mg / week 60mg / day   
Week 3 600mg / week 60mg / day   
Week 4 600mg / week 60mg / day   
Week 5 600mg / week 60mg / day   
Week 6 800mg / week 80mg / day   
Week 7 800mg / week 80mg / day   
Week 8 800mg / week 80mg / day   
Week 9 800mg / week 80mg / day   
Week 10 800mg / week 80mg / day   
Week 11 1000mg / week 100mg / day   
Week 12 1000mg / week 100mg / day   
Week 13 1000mg / week 100mg / day   
Week 14 1000mg / week 100mg / day   
Week 15 800mg / week 80mg / day   
Week 16 800mg / week 80mg / day   
Week 17 800mg / week 80mg / day   
Week 18 600mg / week 60mg / day   
Week 19 600mg / week 60mg / day   
Week 20 600mg / week 60mg / day   
BRIDGE
Week 21   30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 22   30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 23   30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 24   30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 25   30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 26   30mg / day 200mg / week
START CYCLE (1-20) AGAIN


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Do you know this because he told you?

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #77 on: November 14, 2008, 06:48:22 AM »
Do you know this because he told you?

yes - last week, over a burger and fries.
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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #78 on: November 14, 2008, 07:17:24 AM »
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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #79 on: November 14, 2008, 10:49:08 AM »
Philip Goglia qoutes; Aug. 1996 Flex Magazine

"Over the years, my drug use escalated dramatically. Here are two stacks: an early cycle and one of my final cycles."

Early Cycle: (1981)
Dianabol
Testosterone cypionate
Deca-Durabolin
Total: Approx. 740-880mg per week

Late cycle: (1995)
Laurobolin
Primobolan Depot
Anadrol
Androxin
Depo Sterona
Testovis
Testosterone Cypionate
Clenbuterol
Total: Approx. 5000mg per week
Plus:
HGH (Lilly); Cytomel; ACThar; Insulin

I would venture to guess that Phill went a little higher than just 800 mg per week on the first cycle. Even though he doesn't list exact amounts it is very hard to break it down to how much he actually took but when you try the mgs are way too low UNLESS he is not counting the dbol oral amounts in there. Hell, 2 Anadrol a day is going to equal 700 mg per week, see what I mean?

At any rate, The second cycle is just mostly a ton of test so I am not impressed with it. Talk about all the scientific BS you want about why test is best and all that, the guys from the 70's and early 80's looked a certain way for a reason. After a certain dose, test just gives you a lot of bloat with no quality gains. These guys also didn't walk around in the offseason weighing 300 plus pounds. Take a look at Sergio from the 70's. He was mostly a Dbol and Deca user with some V (this coming from a guy that trained with him) He also told me that when he made his comeback at the 84 Olympia he tried that "new" trpe of cycles which included a lot more test, and also took some tren. IMO he looked no where near as good and age had noting to do with it. Ronnie and Chris Dickerson were both around the same age or maybe older.


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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #80 on: November 14, 2008, 12:31:19 PM »
I would venture to guess that Phill went a little higher than just 800 mg per week on the first cycle. Even though he doesn't list exact amounts it is very hard to break it down to how much he actually took but when you try the mgs are way too low UNLESS he is not counting the dbol oral amounts in there. Hell, 2 Anadrol a day is going to equal 700 mg per week, see what I mean?

At any rate, The second cycle is just mostly a ton of test so I am not impressed with it. Talk about all the scientific BS you want about why test is best and all that, the guys from the 70's and early 80's looked a certain way for a reason. After a certain dose, test just gives you a lot of bloat with no quality gains. These guys also didn't walk around in the offseason weighing 300 plus pounds. Take a look at Sergio from the 70's. He was mostly a Dbol and Deca user with some V (this coming from a guy that trained with him) He also told me that when he made his comeback at the 84 Olympia he tried that "new" trpe of cycles which included a lot more test, and also took some tren. IMO he looked no where near as good and age had noting to do with it. Ronnie and Chris Dickerson were both around the same age or maybe older.



It makes sense, and has been mentioned before, but then why does the current gen up the dosage of test so far?

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #81 on: November 14, 2008, 12:33:57 PM »
Because for somestupid reason they think more test equals more muscle ..

More test equals more bloat and harsher side effectsin my opp


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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #82 on: November 14, 2008, 12:36:24 PM »
It makes sense, and has been mentioned before, but then why does the current gen up the dosage of test so far?

my next cycle, I plan on doing a anabolic cycle only, with maybe 250mg of test/week of something like that

still haven't made up my mind yet, but I'll keep you guys updated with the results.

I'll start december 15

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2008, 12:43:05 PM »
Because for somestupid reason they think more test equals more muscle .. More test equals more bloat and harsher side effectsin my opp



Correct. My point is, a lot of people seem to know this, and yet test keeps on getting "abused".

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #84 on: November 14, 2008, 12:44:03 PM »
Because for somestupid reason they think more test equals more muscle ..

More test equals more bloat and harsher side effectsin my opp



what's the best steroid for gaining muscle in your opinion ?

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #85 on: November 14, 2008, 12:45:25 PM »
my next cycle, I plan on doing a anabolic cycle only, with maybe 250mg of test/week of something like that

still haven't made up my mind yet, but I'll keep you guys updated with the results.

I'll start december 15
fuck test ... get 250-500 at most if any ...

I'd go dbol+deca

Another retarded thing I read on the steroid board ( division  ::) et comp ) is that when you run test deca it has to be a 2:1 ratio .. say what ?????????????



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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #86 on: November 14, 2008, 12:47:00 PM »
fuck test ... get 250-500 at most if any ...

I'd go dbol+deca

Another retarded thing I read on the steroid board ( division  ::) et comp ) is that when you run test deca it has to be a 2:1 ratio .. say what ?????????????

yeah I'd like to have a bit of test cause I would hate to have libido problems at 21  :-X

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #87 on: November 14, 2008, 12:47:19 PM »
what's the best steroid for gaining muscle in your opinion ?
That's easy : dianabol

and deca ...

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #88 on: November 14, 2008, 12:49:57 PM »
yeah I'd like to have a bit of test cause I would hate to have libido problems at 21  :-X
I don't think you will .. 250-500 test ..

dianabol is actually a strong sexual stimulent and many people never realize that even on the facts sheet inside the little Naposim box it says that one of the side effects is priaprism possibly ...

Priaprism for those not familiar with the term iswhen you get and erection and it stays like that ... the blood never flushes back in and you have to go to the hospital :)

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #89 on: November 14, 2008, 12:51:41 PM »
I don't think you will .. 250-500 test ..

dianabol is actually a strong sexual stimulent and many people never realize that even on the facts sheet inside the little Naposim box it says that one of the side effects is priaprism possibly ...

Priaprism for those not familiar with the term iswhen you get and erection and it stays like that ... the blood never flushes back in and you have to go to the hospital :)

seems great !  ;D

kinda like you were on high doses of Cialis  8)

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #90 on: November 14, 2008, 12:52:28 PM »
dbol or test just soemthing to aromatize so you can get gh +igf + increase AR density + increase sattleite cell + increase glucose metabolism


then on top throw in shit loads of non aromatizing strong anabolics

like tren or eq


you could high dose deca to get enough aromatization too

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #91 on: November 14, 2008, 12:54:39 PM »
seems great !  ;D

kinda like you were on high doses of Cialis  8)
never been on "high " doses ...

I took cialis because Grant Michaels recommended it .. it was nice .. Viagra is more for "let's go right now .. tear your pussy up " type of deal :d

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #92 on: November 14, 2008, 12:57:38 PM »
I tried Cialis twice and it was awesome.

I tried viagra once and I am not touching that thing again ! Massive headache 30 minutes after I took it !

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #93 on: November 14, 2008, 12:58:42 PM »
tooko viagra pre workout and it didnt do nothing expect when i was doign some cardio  on the stationary bike i got wood and it felt nice on my mesh shorts  8)

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #94 on: November 14, 2008, 01:09:40 PM »
dbol or test just soemthing to aromatize so you can get gh +igf + increase AR density + increase sattleite cell + increase glucose metabolism


then on top throw in shit loads of non aromatizing strong anabolics

like tren or eq


you could high dose deca to get enough aromatization too

pls explain to ignorant natural what the hell "aromatize" means ???
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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #95 on: November 14, 2008, 01:10:05 PM »
convert to estrogen

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #96 on: November 14, 2008, 01:36:53 PM »
convert to estrogen

is that what causes bitchtits?
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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #97 on: November 14, 2008, 01:38:08 PM »
is that what causes bitchtits?
exactly

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #98 on: November 14, 2008, 01:40:11 PM »
dbol or test just soemthing to aromatize so you can get gh +igf + increase AR density + increase sattleite cell + increase glucose metabolism


then on top throw in shit loads of non aromatizing strong anabolics

like tren or eq


you could high dose deca to get enough aromatization too

HAHAHH! and I'm assuming you've got the physique to back up those claims?

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Re: arnies cycle
« Reply #99 on: November 14, 2008, 01:48:35 PM »
here's a weird irony:   bodybuilding is all drugs.  everyone knows Arnold's cycles.  no one looks like Arnold??

and to think that we all have the benefit of high grade protien powders and other nutrional breakthroughs since Arnold retired, everyone should be even better than Arnold.