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Think about it; you don't like a affirmative action or other special unearned privileges, why should people who are married, a purely religious engagement, receive tax breaks and other special benefits that unmarried people do not receive? You cannot be against entitlements for most things and then say marriage is different. If marriage is as special as people like to claim then it should be a privilege in and of itself just to be married without expecting societal benefits from the government or others because you are married.
Recognise the logic and consistency, don't be a hypocrite.
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Because marriage and families are the backbone of our society.  We should do whatever we can to encourage successful marriages.  Giving incentives to married couples does just that. 

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Because marriage and families are the backbone of our society.  We should do whatever we can to encourage successful marriages.  Giving incentives to married couples does just that. 

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Maybe if you go find yourself a wife you might not be such a bitter, angry young man.  Try it.  You might like it. 

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Maybe if you go find yourself a wife you might not be such a bitter, angry young man.  Try it.  You might like it. 

Long term girlfriend would be ok, no interest in getting married. It is a primitive religious institution and utterly useless to me, never mind an expensive endeavour when it doesn't work out.

You have provided no real counterargument. I guess Suffering Singles should get tax breaks as well because their lives entail much more hardhsip than those of married people?  ::)
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I don't need to make a "counterargument."  Our society promotes marriage.  I explained why I think that is appropriate (marriage and family are the backbones of our society).  Your response was some nonsense about "minorities," followed by "owned."  Brilliant. 

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I don't need to make a "counterargument."  Our society promotes marriage.  I explained why I think that is appropriate (marriage and family are the backbones of our society).  Your response was some nonsense about "minorities," followed by "owned."  Brilliant. 

Underprivileged people form an important part of our society as well. But more to the point you should not get special privileges for being married; this is the whole reason why gays want to get married; so they can get entitlements. If the benefits weren't there, there would be no issue for anyone and you religious nuts could get married all you want.

There really is no good reason why you should have more rights than I do just because you signed a piece of paper to conhabitate with a woman. It's ridiculous.
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Underprivileged people form an important part of our society as well. But more to the point you should not get special privileges for being married; this is the whole reason why gays want to get married; so they can get entitlements. If the benefits weren't there, there would be no issue for anyone and you religious nuts could get married all you want.

There really is no good reason why you should have more rights than I do just because you signed a piece of paper to conhabitate with a woman. It's ridiculous.

I'm sure you paranoid anti-religious extremists can understand that homosexual marriage isn't about entitlements.  Domestic partnership and reciprocal beneficiary laws provide pretty much the same "entitlements."  It's about legitimizing a lifestyle choice.

If you disagree with the fact that our society promotes marriage, call your Congressman and see if you can start some initiative to stop this discrimination.  See how far that gets you.   :)

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Once again, what entitlements do married people get?

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I'm sure you paranoid anti-religious extremists can understand that homosexual marriage isn't about entitlements.  Domestic partnership and reciprocal beneficiary laws provide pretty much the same "entitlements."  It's about legitimizing a lifestyle choice.

If you disagree with the fact that our society promotes marriage, call your Congressman and see if you can start some initiative to stop this discrimination.  See how far that gets you.   :)

Homosexuality is not a choice. Get with the times. It is a biological imperative. You really think people would 'choose' to be gay in this society? If you do, you are a fucking idiot.

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Homosexuality is not a choice. Get with the times. It is a biological imperative. You really think people would 'choose' to be gay in this society? If you do, you are a fucking idiot.



So now this is a discussion about whether homosexuality is genetic?  ::)  Should I really waste my time with this?   

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So now this is a discussion about whether homosexuality is genetic?  ::)  Should I really waste my time with this?   

It is genetic and that is a fact. Care to dispute this?
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I would like to dispute the notion that married people get entitlements.  :-\

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I would like to dispute the notion that married people get entitlements.  :-\

You get tax breaks.
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They do?

Ok, I'll bite on this one.

What tax breaks?

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It is genetic and that is a fact. Care to dispute this?

No I don't care to prove a negative. 

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It is genetic and that is a fact. Care to dispute this?

I sure will. Scientists have been claiming that there’s a gene that causes homosexuality for YEARS. But, such has not been found. At best, their results have been inconclusive, stating that, even if there were such, it is NOT the sole factor (or even the primary one) for homosexual behavior.

But what many HAVE noticed is non-genetic/biological factors that contribute to homosexuality.

A prime example of that would be molestation, specifically as it relates to gay men, who were molested as boys.

Other factors include lack of bonding with a same-sex parent and witnessing abuse of a same-sex parent by the opposite-sex one (usually Dad beating on Mom). 

Then, there’s the lesbian factor, with the lion’s share of them having had romantic/sexual experience with men and many of them resuming romantic/sexual relationships with men AFTER they “come out” (i.e. Anne Heche, Anne Paulk, Sinead O’Connor, just to name a few).

But, don’t take my word for it!!

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Christine Sneeringer



What they didn't understand was that I, like many other homosexuals, didn't choose to have these feelings. I had grown up in a home where women were either objects of a man's lust or victims of his abuse.

My father was addicted to pornography, and he was verbally and physically abusive to my mother. Once I saw him hit her with a tennis racket. I vowed in my heart that I would never let any man hurt me like that. I resolved to be tougher and stronger than any man.

I hated being a girl because I didn't want to be a victim like my mom. I mistakenly believed that to be feminine was to be weak, so I gravitated toward showing masculine behaviors.

My older brother was my childhood hero. I wanted to be just like him. I hung out with him whenever he would let me, and I wore his hand-me-down clothes. I even copied his handwriting style.....

When I was 12, my parents divorced and sent me to live with relatives, where an older cousin molested me. Growing up, I had other experiences in which men took advantage of me. I never felt safe with men, so relationships with women seemed to be the only safe option.

My first lesbian relationship began in high school. It was exhilarating and met a need in my life. For the first time I really felt loved.

I was a lesbian for six years and thought I would always be that way, and I never knew that change was possible. But in my early 20s, I met some Christians who showed me a better love -- the love that God had for me. Still in a homosexual relationship, I joined a friend's church softball team. I just wanted to play ball, but God had other ideas.....

One teammate, Kelly, knew that I was a lesbian, but she never preached to me. She just cared for me and prayed for me. I became interested in spiritual things and asked Kelly to help me study the Bible. She agreed, and we met weekly to study the book of John.

One Sunday night in October, 1989, Kelly led me in the prayer of salvation as I knelt beside my bed in my dorm room.

When I stood up, I knew that deep down something had changed. I knew that I wanted God more than my homosexuality. But becoming a Christian was only the beginning of my journey. It didn't instantly resolve my homosexual feelings. I broke up with my partner, but I continued to struggle with unwanted same-sex attractions......

Thankfully, I found out about a ministry that helps people overcome their homosexuality, and I began to attend a local support group. There, I discovered the root causes of my homosexual desires, including sexual abuse, gender confusion, a breakdown in the relationship with my same-sex parent, an abusive father and peer rejection.

I met strong, godly women in church who helped me to see that being feminine didn't mean being weak. I met men who treated me with dignity and respect. This freed me to embrace my gender and to stop rejecting God's design. I even started using my full name, Christine, because I no longer wanted to hide being a girl.

My ideas about men and women were changed. I learned that being female is not a liability. And I began to identify outwardly with women, experimenting with wearing makeup and different clothes and using purses. I became different from the inside out.

Others noticed my progress and encouraged me. I'll never forget when Robert approached me in church and said, smiling, "Christine, this is the first time you don't look like a boy in a dress." Though his statement hadn't come out right, I knew that he had meant well, and it let me know I was making progress.

The key to my healing was developing healthy same-sex friendships. As I did this, my sexual attractions for women naturally diminished because I found what I was looking for all along -- real love and connections with others.

With God's help and the support of caring people, I now walk in freedom from lesbianism. I know that a changed life is possible because I am a changed person.



 


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