Should the motto "In God We Trust" be removed from U.S. currency?

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Vote!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10103521/


Yes. It's a violation of the principle of separation of church and state.

No. The motto has historical and patriotic significance and does nothing to establish a state religion.


I voted yes. Religion is personal, not governmental and should be kept out of it. It should not say in 'God We Trust' as representative of the people if this is a free country and I can trust in God or not. 

[Deicide]

I don't really care; maybe they could replace it with Zeus or Odin. I voted yes.

[Butterbean]

It doesn't matter much to me but would I care if it said "in allah we trust?"  I don't know if that would bother me enough not to use cash. 

I don't feel that my using something w/that printed on it to make purchases says anything personally about my thoughts or beliefs as it is printed/stamped on all cash/coins.

I wonder what the cost would be to replace all coins/paper money?  Doesn't seem worth it.

But it seems that just about anything I would like to buy can be purchased w/a credit card so maybe I'd just use that if I was bothered using cash.

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I don't think all the current money circulating should be replaced, but any new currency printed/stamped should be changed.

Religion and politics should never mix, look at all the religious wars fought and being fought because of religion.  The US should start taking that out.

 

[OzmO]

It's not worth the trouble.

It's a waste of time and money to try an get it removed.   

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It's not a waste of money if they just remove it from all future printings.

 In the meantime I will just cross it off all bills I come across.  

[OzmO]

It's not a waste of money if they just remove it from all future printings.

 In the meantime I will just cross it off all bills I come across.  

It's waste of money & time to go through the legal battle to get them to do it.

[Deicide]

It doesn't matter much to me but would I care if it said "in allah we trust?"  I don't know if that would bother me enough not to use cash. 

I don't feel that my using something w/that printed on it to make purchases says anything personally about my thoughts or beliefs as it is printed/stamped on all cash/coins.

I wonder what the cost would be to replace all coins/paper money?  Doesn't seem worth it.

But it seems that just about anything I would like to buy can be purchased w/a credit card so maybe I'd just use that if I was bothered using cash.

Main problem with Americans...

[Migs]

it should be removed, as should the commandments in any governmnet building.  I also don't think you should swear on a bible either.

[egj13]

it should be removed, as should the commandments in any governmnet building.  I also don't think you should swear on a bible either.

Why remove all of the stuff our nation was founded on?  If it was a Christian nation to begin why do we need to change it for you now?  92% of americans believe in God, so why change our national traditions for you other 8%?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,99945,00.html

[Butterbean]

Why remove all of the stuff our nation was founded on?  If it was a Christian nation to begin why do we need to change it for you now?  92% of americans believe in God, so why change our national traditions for you other 8%?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,99945,00.html

Interesting link egj13.  I'm actually surprised that the number is that high.

[egj13]

Interesting link egj13.  I'm actually surprised that the number is that high.

Why surprised?  I believe whole heartedly in God, the earth is to hard to explain otherwise.  I do alot of hunting and as I sit in the woods looking at numerous animals, plants, trees and the way they all come together I can't imagine that they all came from the same place.  If you ever watch animals in the wild you have to believe in some form of intelligence. 

Our country was founded on Christian beliefs.  I understand that some people don't like that but the overwhelming majority of us do.  Simply compare nations where Christianity is the dominant religion to nations where another form of religion is dominant and compare the peacefullness of those countries.  The Christian countries are the best on earth and that isn't by accident.  Christian beliefs are good sound moral beliefs and are the foundation of America's moral beliefs. 

[Butterbean]

Why surprised?   

Maybe I'm surprised because of the disproportionate amount of atheists on this site

I believe whole heartedly in God, the earth is to hard to explain otherwise. 
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I agree w/you.

I do alot of hunting and as I sit in the woods looking at numerous animals, plants, trees and the way they all come together I can't imagine that they all came from the same place.  If you ever watch animals in the wild you have to believe in some form of intelligence. 
 

I believe many animals are very intelligent

[egj13]

Maybe I'm surprised because of the disproportionate amount of atheists on this site

You never hear many Christians speak up and defend the religion.  Very similiar to the liberal/conservative aspect.  Conservatives tend to keep to themselves and when they do protest they do so in a peaceful manner. 

I think the reason you see the disproportionate amount here is due to the youth of the people on Getbig.  I was like them not that long ago when I was young and wanted to party.  I refuted Christianity in order to make it fit my life.  They will grow up someday and realize that there is a chance they may be wrong and face life in eternal hell. 

[Necrosis]

Why surprised?  I believe whole heartedly in God, the earth is to hard to explain otherwise.  I do alot of hunting and as I sit in the woods looking at numerous animals, plants, trees and the way they all come together I can't imagine that they all came from the same place.  If you ever watch animals in the wild you have to believe in some form of intelligence. 

Our country was founded on Christian beliefs.  I understand that some people don't like that but the overwhelming majority of us do.  Simply compare nations where Christianity is the dominant religion to nations where another form of religion is dominant and compare the peacefullness of those countries.  The Christian countries are the best on earth and that isn't by accident.  Christian beliefs are good sound moral beliefs and are the foundation of America's moral beliefs. 

for one the US is not a christian nation and was not founded on christian beliefs, get your facts straight.

The 92% stat is skewed obviously because they dont define what god, many deists,spiritualists, pantheists etc... atheist was rated at 16% in other polls.

[Deicide]

Why surprised?  I believe whole heartedly in God, the earth is to hard to explain otherwise.  I do alot of hunting and as I sit in the woods looking at numerous animals, plants, trees and the way they all come together I can't imagine that they all came from the same place.  If you ever watch animals in the wild you have to believe in some form of intelligence. 

Our country was founded on Christian beliefs.  I understand that some people don't like that but the overwhelming majority of us do.  Simply compare nations where Christianity is the dominant religion to nations where another form of religion is dominant and compare the peacefullness of those countries.  The Christian countries are the best on earth and that isn't by accident.  Christian beliefs are good sound moral beliefs and are the foundation of America's moral beliefs. 

Thomas Jefferson owning your silliness...

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782



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But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782



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What is it men cannot be made to believe!
-Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)



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Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787



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Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom



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I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")



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I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789



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They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.
-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800



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Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802



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History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.



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The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814



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Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814



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In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814



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If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814


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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816


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My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith, August, 6, 1816


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You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819



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As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819



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Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820


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Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820



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To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820



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Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind.
-Thomas Jefferson to James Smith, 1822.


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I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823



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And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823



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It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825



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May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826 (in the last letter he penned)

The USA was not founded on Christianity.

[Migs]

Why remove all of the stuff our nation was founded on?  If it was a Christian nation to begin why do we need to change it for you now?  92% of americans believe in God, so why change our national traditions for you other 8%?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,99945,00.html

Never said i didn't believe.  Also the nation wasn't based on Christianity.  Polls are never reliable.  Look at how the mehods many polls are actually taken and you can see exaclty how skewed the numbers can be. 

[24KT]

Vote!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10103521/


Yes. It's a violation of the principle of separation of church and state.

No. The motto has historical and patriotic significance and does nothing to establish a state religion.


I voted yes. Religion is personal, not governmental and should be kept out of it. It should not say in 'God We Trust' as representative of the people if this is a free country and I can trust in God or not. 

{LOL}

It's not a violation of church & state, ...just a sneaky way of letting you all know who/what the real 'God' is... 

I'd say take it off, ...it was only put on there recently to satisfy an evangelical president anyway.

...but it does make an ironic statement don'tcha think? 

[chaos]

{LOL}

It's not a violation of church & state, ...just a sneaky way of letting you all know who/what the real 'God' is... 

I'd say take it off, ...it was only put on there recently to satisfy an evangelical president anyway.

...but it does make an ironic statement don'tcha think? 

I didn't know canadian money said 'In God We Trust' on it?

[Necrosis]

You never hear many Christians speak up and defend the religion.  Very similiar to the liberal/conservative aspect.  Conservatives tend to keep to themselves and when they do protest they do so in a peaceful manner. 

I think the reason you see the disproportionate amount here is due to the youth of the people on Getbig.  I was like them not that long ago when I was young and wanted to party.  I refuted Christianity in order to make it fit my life.  They will grow up someday and realize that there is a chance they may be wrong and face life in eternal hell. 

shut up with your scare tactics. perhaps one day you will wake up and find islam is right and go to hell. Better cover all your bases.

[Onondaga]

No no, you got it all wrong. The people responsible for your monetary system are very religious/devoted to their god. The only problem is their god is Satan. The banking family that sits on top of the pyramid, Rothschild, have openly admitted this in the past. No doubt the other families in the banking cartel that rule the world are also Satanists. Don’t believe it? A quick Google search will confirm. Therefore, “In god we trust” should remain on your currency.

[Necrosis]

No no, you got it all wrong. The people responsible for your monetary system are very religious/devoted to their god. The only problem is their god is Satan. The banking family that sits on top of the pyramid, Rothschild, have openly admitted this in the past. No doubt the other families in the banking cartel that rule the world are also Satanists. Don’t believe it? A quick Google search will confirm. Therefore, “In god we trust” should remain on your currency.

oh ok, wouldnt want satan to get us.

[Onondaga]

Just a reminder, the top banking family/richest in the world are admitted Satanists. This fact is undeniable. These people and a small banking cartel of families like the Rothschilds are the people that own us. Therefore, it doesn’t matter what the rest of us believe, Atheist, Christian or otherwise. If the most powerful family in the world are confirmed Satanists it should make everyone nervous. Not sure why people are unable to compute this simple formula.

[OzmO]

Just a reminder, the top banking family/richest in the world are admitted Satanists. This fact is undeniable. These people and a small banking cartel of families like the Rothschilds are the people that own us. Therefore, it doesn’t matter what the rest of us believe, Atheist, Christian or otherwise. If the most powerful family in the world are confirmed Satanists it should make everyone nervous. Not sure why people are unable to compute this simple formula.

Never heard that before.  Do you have a link for reference or is this something your pastor told you?

[Butterbean]

Never heard that before.  Do you have a link for reference or is this something your pastor told you?

I googled "are rothchilds satanists?" and tons of links came up.

Onondaga, is there a specific link you could suggest that could help us read about what you are saying?

Just a reminder, the top banking family/richest in the world are admitted Satanists. This fact is undeniable. These people and a small banking cartel of families like the Rothschilds are the people that own us. Therefore, it doesn’t matter what the rest of us believe, Atheist, Christian or otherwise. If the most powerful family in the world are confirmed Satanists it should make everyone nervous. Not sure why people are unable to compute this simple formula.

Onon, are you familiar w/Texx Marrs?  What are your thoughts on him?