Ronnie Coleman in Moscow 15/11/2008

[Arkadius]

Ronnie is still huge but as far as Olympian competitor i think he is done.Back,tricep and a quad don't look good:/

[prof]

Ronnie = GOAT

[tbombz]

I guess you can't fucking read?  I said for size and mass Ronnie takes the cake.  But there is more to bodybuilding than size and mass.  Like I said post up a pick of Wheeler or Levrone at their peak next to Ronnie.  Who would you rather look like?  Part of being a bodybuilder in my opinion is looking atleast somewhat like a bodybuilder offseason and not some bloated, gorilla.  Ronnie looks like shit the minute he steps off stage. 

id rather look like ronnie

either year

pinnacle of symtry

pinnacle of mass

[Mr.1derful]

pinnacle of symtry

That posing routine, pinnacle of gayness.

[tbombz]

That posing routine, pinnacle of gayness.

okay , well, come back and watch it again when you lose your virginity, 

[Mr.1derful]

okay , well, come back and watch it again when you lose your virginity, 

Gee, not sure how I'll ever recover from that one.  You must be the head of an Algonquin round table.

[io856]

id rather look like ronnie

either year

pinnacle of symtry

pinnacle of mass

fixed  

[ASJChaotic]

Every time I see pics of Ronnie Coleman I wonder how any fruit could say that Dorian Yates was better than him.

the chances of Yates surviving a contest and beating Coleman are as good as you surviving the hiroshima and nagasaki atomic bombs
.......not good

[El_Pajero]

Ronnie = GOAT

good post.

[pumpster]

Post a pic of a peaked Ronnie standing next to a peaked Levrone, Dorian, or Wheeler.  It depends on what you think bodybuilding is all about.  Size and mass then of course Ronnie.  But Ronnie's size has ALWAYS been at the expense of his gut.  

Coleman didn't have a gut in his best shape around late 90s-2000, he had a smaller waist than the keg and greater lat width, thus a big edge in taper. Yates BTW also had a gut, but with less size to offset it. The contrast with Yates is farcical, Coleman's on another planet.

The gut's not just from the drugs it's also let's face the fact that he likes eating, which is why he usually looked horrible in the off-season and why he's not cut now, no reason to be.

[Mr.1derful]

the chances of Yates surviving a contest and beating Coleman are as good as you surviving the hiroshima and nagasaki atomic bombs
.......not good

If one were to go by judging history, had Dorian hypothetically returned in 1998 in his 1995 condition, just as an example, he would have demolished Coleman on the scorecards.  Coleman only squeaked past a less than best Flex Wheeler to claim the crown that year, although I must say that I believe the gap was larger than scoring indicated.  Like it or not, Yates in close to his best form would have been given the title again and I dare say in convincing fashion.  This would be a logical conclusion based upon the judging in recent years to that point.

[pumpster]

If one were to go by judging history, had Dorian hypothetically returned in 1998 in his 1995 condition, just as an example, he would have demolished Coleman on the scorecards.  Coleman only squeaked past a less than best Flex Wheeler to claim the crown that year, although I must say that I believe the gap was larger than scoring indicated.  Like it or not, Yates in close to his best form would have been given the title again and I dare say in convincing fashion.  

Nah, because you're relying on "scoring" when it's clear to anyone with a shred of objectivity over the years that the show's quite political, best man hasn't won on a number of occasions.

In terms of the close scoring with Wheeler, i'd say in that case the scoring was accurate-that Wheeler beats Yates in fair contests and was close to Coleman's other than a few areas that gave Coleman the edge.

[Mr.1derful]

Nah, because you're relying on "scoring" when it's clear to anyone with a shred of objectivity over the years that the show's quite political, best man doesn't always win.

In terms of the close scoring with Wheeler, i'd say in that case the scoring was accurate-that Wheeler beats Yates in fair contests and was close to Coleman's other than a few areas that gave Coleman the edge.

You might suggest this, however, those that count, the judges, suggest quite the contrary.  Flex was never remotely close to Yates on the score sheets in any contests. Coleman was even further down the line. Yates dominated and there is no indicator that 1998 would have been any different, assuming Yates returned in close to his best form.  You are entitled to disagree that such a result would be just, but in all likelihood, that is the way it would have gone. Bottom line, neither Flex nor Coleman ever defeated Yates.

If you want to attribute politics to Dorian's wins, I am curious as to which of Coleman's victories you would be willing to attribute similar politics.

[pumpster]

You might suggest this, however, those that count, the judges, suggest quite the contrary.  Flex was never remotely close to Yates on the score sheets in any contests up to and including 1997. Coleman was even further down the line. Yates dominated and there is no indicator that 1998 would have been any different, assuming Yates returned in close to his best form.  You are entitled to disagree that such a result would be just, but in all likelihood, that is the way it would have gone.

If you want to attribute politics to Dorian's wins, I am curious as to which of Coleman's victories you would be willing to attribute similar politics.

If you want to hold to the belief that there were no politics involved then continue on with your naivete. I mean, your only explaination as to why Yates would win is the scoring, which is really weak after looking at the comparison pics. Wheeler also hands Yates his ass if Wheeler competes against him in late-90s form.

[Hulkster]

If one were to go by judging history, had Dorian hypothetically returned in 1998 in his 1995 condition, just as an example, he would have demolished Coleman on the scorecards

yeah, here he is in his 95 condition against a 99 ronnie and its game over for dorian.

sorry.

you need to look at more than numbers on a page to compare physqiues....

[GoneAway]

Lower bodyfat than normal. Looks good.

[io856]

yeah, here he is in his 95 condition against a 99 ronnie and its game over.

sorry.

you need to look at more than numbers on a page to compare physqiues....

Dorian dominates Ronnie there.
Your point?

[Mr.1derful]

If you want to holdj to the belief that there were no politics involved then continue on with your naivete. I mean, your only explaination as to why Yates would win is the scoring, which is really weak after looking at the comparison pics. Wheeler also hands Yates his ass if Wheeler competes against him in late-90s form.

Your argument does nothing to disprove the conclusion of another Yates victory based upon judging history.  You can decry alleged politics all you like, but in the end, it is in fact the score sheets that determine the victor.  You can also express a preference for Flex's physique over Dorian's all you like, but that does not negate the fact that Flex never came close to Yates on the score sheets, ever.  Again, I'll pose the question then, to which of Coleman's victories are you willing to attribute the same alleged politics?  If one is to assume that Dorian was a benefactor of such impartiality, logically Coleman should have been as well.  Beside which of Coleman's victories are you willing to place an asterisk beside?

[tbombz]

fixed  

lmao classic

[Hulkster]

Dorian dominates Ronnie there.
Your point?

LOL sure he does. maybe if dorian was going for offseason shape LOL

no detail in the arms, no detail in the legs. poor detail in comparison to the chest. etc etc.

its not even close.

 

[Hulkster]

If one is to assume that Dorian was a benefactor of such impartiality, logically Coleman should have been as well. 

no, times during the 90's were totally different than during ronnie's reign.

when dorian showed up out of shape eg 94 or 96, (and with a missing arm) the judges didn't give a shit and didn't even knock him points.

with Ronnie, when he showed up out of shape (eg. 01 or 02) he was scored down (still won, but almost lost based on the scoring)

the judging was actually a lot better during Ronnie's reign.

its pretty easy to see why - fans were getting bored of the bullshit politics and stopped buying tickets.

that led to the Gunter fiasco in a desperate effort to sell tickets.

and that led to 2003 - a complete destruction of everyone by an in shape Ronnie..

[io856]

LOL sure he does. maybe if dorian was going for offseason shape LOL

no detail in the arms, no detail in the legs. poor detail in comparison to the chest. etc etc.

its not even close.

 

Yeah deep down I sort of agree I must admit I have issues with accepting any sort of superiority of Ronnie over Dorian. Hopefully you know what I am getting at. 

The detail that Ronnie had in his arms is something no other pro bodybuilder has ever even come close to. I will certainly admit that. Nowadays guys like Dennis James and Phil Heath have "blobs" of muscle for arms. Not sure what that is or why its happening.

[Mr.1derful]

LOL sure he does. maybe if dorian was going for offseason shape LOL

no detail in the arms, no detail in the legs. poor detail in comparison to the chest. etc etc.

its not even close.

 

In 1997, despite Dorian being less than his best, Coleman could only achieve 9th place, as  Dorian walked away with his 6th title, I believe with a straight firsts victory.  I would opine that it was Coleman who was not even close.  

[Big_Tymer]

dorian = paper thin chest, peashooter arms, aids victim quads, baseball sized delts, and big bloated gut.

[Big_Tymer]

In 1997, despite Dorian being less than his best, Coleman could only achieve 9th place, as  Dorian walked away with his 6th title, I believe with a straight firsts victory.  I would opine that it was Coleman who was not even close. 

haha give me a fucking break.  as if the ifbb judging is ever justice.  its all politics.  even ron shouldnt have won 8 in a row.