Why is everyone here convinced that anyone with muscle is on roids?

[spinnis]

how exactly do you "clam"?

with a i 

[BayGBM]

I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.

If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?

•  Because steroids are very common today.  
•  You can buy them with a click of your mouse.  
•  Kids are introduced to them in high school or even junior high school.  
•  Most high performance athletes (amateurs and pros) have been exposed to steroids directly or indirectly.
•  We live in a time when cosmetic muscles are deemed important; vain men want them.
•  Everyone likes a shortcut.  
•  People like to indulge; with regard to diet and exercise, Pendour lived a lifestyle that few would be willing to live today.

[Boost]

•  Because steroids are very common today.  
•  You can buy them with a click of your mouse.  
•  Kids are introduced to them in high school or even junior high school.  
•  Most high performance athletes (amateurs and pros) have been exposed to steroids directly or indirectly.
•  We live in a time when cosmetic muscles are deemed important; vain men want them.
•  Everyone likes a shortcut.  
•  People like to indulge; with regard to diet and exercise, Pendour lived a lifestyle that few would be willing to live today.

What type of lifestyle did he live?

[stormshadow]

It's always about you, Keith...    

I wish he would just stop posting and go away. 

[onlyme]

It's always about you, Keith...    

Yes it is!  As soon as you realize that the better off we will be.

I wish he would just stop posting and go away. 

You know you will miss me if I did that

[Disgusted]

I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.

If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?

Dude's on GH Slin and obviously injecting synthol.

[gracie bjj]

just go visit someone in prison and youll see dudes lookin like top national bodybuilders walking around,maybe afew have no legs  but they have some muscled upper bodies,and they aint doin roids.great genetics combined with hard work will get some people far in bodybuilding,and then there are guys like me who do everything perfect(eat,sleep and train right) plus afew cycles and dont look nothing like them.once you accept it youll be alot better off in your bodybuilding quest,it used to bother me awhile back but i just accepted it and am doin the best with what god gave me

[The Showstoppa]

Yes it is!  As soon as you realize that the better off we will be.

I think it's funny.  Quick name drop and then a couple of paragraphs about yourself.  Educate these fools.

[drkaje]

It's always about you, Keith...    

[dayweed]

just go visit someone in prison and youll see dudes lookin like top national bodybuilders walking around,maybe afew have no legs  but they have some muscled upper bodies,and they aint doin roids.great genetics combined with hard work will get some people far in bodybuilding,and then there are guys like me who do everything perfect(eat,sleep and train right) plus afew cycles and dont look nothing like them.once you accept it youll be alot better off in your bodybuilding quest,it used to bother me awhile back but i just accepted it and am doin the best with what god gave me

Do you honestly think that there are no drugs in a prison ? ... Now c'mon..

[TechnoViking]

I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.

If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?

You do realise that before TV and even radio that these guys worked out 12plus hours a day...Its not like they are actually putting on massive amounts of muscle...They are just shaping what there genetics already gave them(give or take)...

[mazrim]

Pandour worked out with only 5 lb dumbbells I believe. Otherwise mainly bodyweight type stuff.

[fearANDloathing]

Envy and laziness. If you dismiss someones musculature as being the result of roids...
1 You can feel better about your own shitty bod
2 you don't have to bother working out to improve because after all, "'it's all drugs" 

[The Wizard]

I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.

If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?

All Synthol

[Reign Down]

how exactly do you "clam"?

Hilarious 

[TrueGrit]

Because people lie about it, a lot.

PED are widespread, every gym I've trained at more than a few times and it becomes obvious who is ready to supply the endless stream of guys looking for a short cut (or are just desperate). I am not talking about dungeons too, I mean health clubs and the like. The drug use is rife.

When you look at guys from before the steroid era then you realize just how hard it actually is to be big and muscular. People are so used to seeing hormonized physiques masquerading as natural that they've actually forgotten - or never knew - what is possible for a natural in terms of muscle mass retention at an extremely low bodyfat.

Does that mean that some gifted naturals will be accused of drugs ? Absolutely. However, usually, if it seems too good to be true, it is.

[Man of Steel]

You want some muscles you can do that without drugs.   You want to compete in bb you need superior genetics that respond well to bb drugs.  Couple that with a consistent, intense diet and weight training/cardio regimen and you can build what most consider a bb physique.   No guarantees you'll win a bb show, but you'll at least be perceived as a bb.

[BayGBM]

Because people lie about it, a lot.

PED are widespread, every gym I've trained at more than a few times and it becomes obvious who is ready to supply the endless stream of guys looking for a short cut (or are just desperate). I am not talking about dungeons too, I mean health clubs and the like. The drug use is rife.

When you look at guys from before the steroid era then you realize just how hard it actually is to be big and muscular. People are so used to seeing hormonized physiques masquerading as natural that they've actually forgotten - or never knew - what is possible for a natural in terms of muscle mass retention at an extremely low bodyfat.

Does that mean that some gifted naturals will be accused of drugs ? Absolutely. However, usually, if it seems too good to be true, it is.

So true.  Even people who should know better are in denial about how widely PED are used.  Remember that thread on Daniel Craig from a few weeks ago?  When I said he was obviously on a cycle for Casino Royal (recall the scene when he’s coming out of the ocean) several dimwits here (The Wizard, ricosauve, DonkeyKong, johnnynoname, OneMoreRep, etc.) insisted he was natural.

Tbombz gave them a clue…

wow, some of you guy are so goddamn delusional.

the guy never works out in his entire life then in three months he lookds likea fitness model. but yet theres no way he was using steroids   more like there is no way he WAS NOT using steroids.

And MuscleMcMannus sealed the deal…

Not saying you can't build a decent body without drugs.  However, it takes a helluva lot longer than 12 weeks.  Plus we are talking Hollywood elite.  Do you honestly think they are above taking the easy way out?  Come on.  Don't be so naive.  Unless you have the genetics of Ronnie Coleman it takes a good while to build a solid physique naturally.  Hell everyone knows that after you've been training for a long time gaining a couple pounds of lean mass a year is great progress.  Some of these guys are putting on 15 lbs of muscle in a matter of months.  

Even dimwits can be educated...  

Okay, you have me convinced. Shoulders look like juice. So what. I should go on a cycle and see what happens, just to be able to keep up with you.

[hipolito mejia]

I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.

If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?

Nobody with legs like that can say theyre on the sauce...

Sorry.

[just_a_pilgrim]

I have seen some guys with great physiques who definately are clean. They have put in the years of training and juice or not after 7-10 years you are going to look good. Most people would think these guys are juiced.

But very few have the dedication nowadays. People just want it all now, they don't train because it's a challange they just want instant results. So they don't know what they are really doing, look pretty decent, but haven't done the hard years clean to know their bodies.

[crc69]

Simply because all kids nowadays want to train a few minutes a day, a muscular group a week and believe they'll become like bodybuilders with a minimum of efforts.
The only way to build muscle naturally  is at least 2-5 hours a day, each muscular group 2 times a week. Like we were doing before 80's
There is no miracle. The less you train, the less you progress...

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

Simply because all kids nowadays want to train a few minutes a day, a muscular group a week and believe they'll become like bodybuilders with a minimum of efforts.
The only way to build muscle naturally  is at least 2-5 hours a day, each muscular group 2 times a week. Like we were doing before 80's
There is no miracle. The less you train, the less you progress...

complete utter bullshit

[just_a_pilgrim]

Simply because all kids nowadays want to train a few minutes a day, a muscular group a week and believe they'll become like bodybuilders with a minimum of efforts.
The only way to build muscle naturally  is at least 2-5 hours a day, each muscular group 2 times a week. Like we were doing before 80's
There is no miracle. The less you train, the less you progress...

You have to be joking.

2-5 hours a day, training each muscle twice a week???!!!!!!

I always wonder what some of you guys are doing. I can exhast a muscle in 3 main sets. That comes with intensity and years of experience doing it. If i trained any muscle for 2 hours i wouldn't be able to move it for a week.

No wonder hardly anyone believes Dorian was doing so few sets. There is no intensity out there, you might think you have it but clearly you don't.

[turnerg31]

I have seen some guys with great physiques who definitely are clean. They have put in the years of training and juice or not after 7-10 years you are going to look good. Most people would think these guys are juiced.

But very few have the dedication nowadays. People just want it all now, they don't train because it's a challenge they just want instant results. So they don't know what they are really doing, look pretty decent, but haven't done the hard years clean to know their bodies.

I agree with you 100%.  There are people who have put in years of consistent training who have managed to build good physiques.  There's something to be said for dedication, hard work and persistence.

Pat

[vice1]

I agree with you 100%.  There are people who have put in years of consistent training who have managed to build good physiques.  There's something to be said for dedication, hard work and persistence.

Pat

steroids are one hell of a drug