Why is everyone here convinced that anyone with muscle is on roids?

[Swedish Viking]

There's plenty of clean big dudes.  There are.  6.6 billion people on earth, that leave LOTS of genetic freaks, we've all seen them and they're not all juicing. 

[The Showstoppa]

There's plenty of clean big dudes.  There are.  6.6 billion people on earth, that leave LOTS of genetic freaks, we've all seen them and they're not all juicing. 

Very true.  Many of them are in the IFBB, just ask them.

[mesmorph78]

because they are lazy or dont quite have the genetics of the person they are accusing...
... once the person is bigger harder or has better shape than them.. they on steroids...
 

[The Showstoppa]

... once the person is bigger harder or has better shape than them.. they on steroids...

thats the exact mantra I follow.

[mesmorph78]

thats the exact mantra I follow.

[Matterhorn]

Yeah, we can all sit here and talk about each other and how we wrongly accuse someone of being on Steroids or wrongly defend someone who is using.  I've been accused so many times that I'm use to it.  I'm 40 yrs old and although I'm use to it I still can't say that it doesn't bother me.  I use to take it as a compliment and even now sometimes I think I must be doing something right in order to be accused.  Even though it happens to me all the time I find myself doing the exact same thing to other people. I don't know why and even without any proof.  I see a guy who's packing a little size and think, "I bet he's juicin."  I think it may be that using Steroids is so common place now and so many people are doing it that it makes people generalize and accuse anyone with some size, of using roids.  Either way, I'm still hittin it as hard as I can and really don't give a damn what someone might think. Obviously, every guy in the world with a descent physique is not on steroids.  Accusations without facts don't prove and thing and potentially can damage an innocent persons character and relegate all their hard work to the effects of Steroids alone.  Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

Pat

Couldn't agree more, Pat.
Perfectly said.

-dan

[Matterhorn]

Simply because all kids nowadays want to train a few minutes a day, a muscular group a week and believe they'll become like bodybuilders with a minimum of efforts.
The only way to build muscle naturally  is at least 2-5 hours a day, each muscular group 2 times a week. Like we were doing before 80's
There is no miracle. The less you train, the less you progress...

that's too general a statement and dangerous advice!

my own experience: yes, I did so when I started out. at that time I developed the mind/muscle connection as a basis for targeted intensity.

after 2 - 3 years, however, I hit a plateau, as I was chronically overtrained. only when I started to cut back on the frequency of workouts (not the intensity), I started to grow again (we are talking here a few grams of muscle a year - not kilos).

now, as I am 42, I need way, way more recovery time than 20 years ago.

[INSOMNIA]

that's too general a statement and dangerous advice!

my own experience: yes, I did so when I started out. at that time I developed the mind/muscle connection as a basis for targeted intensity.

after 2 - 3 years, however, I hit a plateau, as I was chronically overtrained. only when I started to cut back on the frequency of workouts (not the intensity), I started to grow again (we are talking here a few grams of muscle a year - not kilos).

now, as I am 42, I need way, way more recovery time than 20 years ago.

Makes sense. Age is a big factor too.

[TacoBell]

What constitutes a decent physique then?
Sure, there are plenty of well built natural bodies, but I'd show me a natural monster.

[Parker]

What constitutes a decent physique then?
Sure, there are plenty of well built natural bodies, but I'd show me a natural monster.

Is this dude on the sauce... he's in the 5'7-5'10 range...

http://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic_id=486a5c31d3590&date=2008-07-01%2012:32:51&id=753156&pid=7366516&the_count=35

[Jeffro]

Is this dude on the sauce... he's in the 5'7-5'10 range...

What are you trying to tell us?  Do you want to get pounded by that big ebony hunk, "Parker?"   

[Alex23]

no of them are 'negroes' with quad sweeps that rival pros....

HAHAHAHHA!!!! says the gook tool who craves for Rhinoed cock....

[Sherief Shalaby]

I don't get it. Anyone with as much muscle as this guy would be declared on getbig as "all drugs". Just so you know, this pic is from 1900.

If someone could look like this 108 years ago, why do so many people think that today we can't (also naturally) achieve even more muscle than him?

This is the favorite excuse of any lazy guy who don't want or can't train like a man.. When he sees a better body than his, he can't accept this fact and believes that this better guy must be using SUPER POWERS.. He never thinks that this better guy may have better genes or may have been training hard for a long time,.. he just doesn't want to believe that any one can be better than him..

[Parker]

What are you trying to tell us?  Do you want to get pounded by that big ebony hunk, "Parker?"   

Hell no, Boonstack had said anybody under 7% weighing 190 pounds or more is juicing (5'7-5'10 gym rat range).  Dude is listed at 5'10 190....

Now is there some big ebony breasts and a phat ass next to the dude....But you call him a "hunk"

[gracie bjj]

yeah because drugs are so uncommon in prisons



 

i used to bring in bundles of dope and 8balls of powder blow in balloons so trust me i know about drugs in prison,all im saying is that steroids aint the type of drug your gonna find on the big yard like you would find weed,dope or coke.maybe times have changed,i was doing my skid bids back in the mid 80,s so maybe juice is abundant in the joint these days

[Jeffro]

Hell no, Boonstack had said anybody under 7% weighing 190 pounds or more is juicing (5'7-5'10 gym rat range).  Dude is listed at 5'10 190....

Now is there some big ebony breasts and a phat ass next to the dude....But you call him a "hunk"

Just messing with you stud muffin, don't poop your panties about it. 

[Parker]

Just messing with you stud muffin, don't poop your panties about it. 

I'm not...actually this just made me laugh...It's 2:53am and i'm at work...

[Jeffro]

I'm not...actually this just made me laugh...It's 2:53am and i'm at work...

Damn, sucks to be you, but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do to "make dat papah," ya smell me?

[titusisback]

From 1897:

Ok, this one's actually pretty impressive

[Parker]

Damn, sucks to be you, but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do to "make dat papah," ya smell me?

Yeah, gotta get tha scrilla for realla, I smell ya,  like the drunk I saw who had a $100 dollar bail and couldn't post..."Well your going to jail"...Mofo stunk like a skunk.

[titusisback]

Monte Saldo:

"He held some weight lifting records at the time, as well. His bench press was 230 lbs., One h.j., 200 lbs, and two hand press was 240 lbs."

What the f*ck? That guy only bench pressed 230 lbs? 

[HTexan]

From 1897:

damn. just damn.

[drkaje]

Is this dude on the sauce... he's in the 5'7-5'10 range...

He looks natural.

[TacoBell]

Is this dude on the sauce... he's in the 5'7-5'10 range...

Not necessarily.
Good upper body, minimal leg development, but his physique is not over the top.
He has good full muscle bellies and muscle structure, so that even juice wont allow someone to develop that look without those genetics.

[TommyBoy]

I really hope you guys are kidding about this 2 to 5 hrs a day, 6 days a week.  If you're not then you must be out of your mind.  The only thing you can accomplish by training 2 to 5 hrs a day, 6 days a week (naturally) is to be seriously overtrained.  I've been training since I was 9yrs old (no joke) and what I've found over the years and what the literature on the subject is telling us is that putting in that many hours of training in the gym only hinders your progress and it's not needed.  As I've gotten older I've realized that if I go in the gym and stay focused and on task I can get in and get out within an hour and accomplish all I needed to.  I train one body part a day for 5 days and then take one, sometimes two days off depending on how I feel.  Natural bodybuilders can't train as hard and as long as "chemically enhanced" bodybuilders due to the difference in recovery time.  One of the main problems with young motivated bodybuilders or should I say wannabe bodybuilders is that they are so motivated and want to get big so bad that they are seriously overtraining.  I really hope you guys were being sarcastic and I've waisted my time typing all of this.  I'd feel a lot better.  You might have some young inexperienced person read this and go spend all day in the gym trying to be like Ronnie, only to overtrain and waist a lot of time and effort. 

Pat

I agree with what you said to e "T". One thing I do though if I'm actually in the gym with someone that is similar size/cuts, or a little bigger than me, is I watch how they train. If they train like a spastic tard without a clue with the intensity of a kitten most likely they are sauced up. If they have intensity and a routine that shows they halfway know what they are doing then I give them the benefit of a doubt.

edit: Obviously you can't do this on the street, but when talking to some people you just KNOW they are sauced up. Dumbasses rely on the stuff for their gains. Very FEW I have noticed truly are genetically gifted.