Author Topic: 3 Best Backs in the HISTORY OF THE SPORT (Read 80668 times)

NeoSeminole · « **Reply #675 on:** March 14, 2009, 08:30:21 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on March 14, 2009, 06:24:02 PM

did his back improve in any of those years? how did his back get better than Dorians? how? in fact his back got progressively worse , bigger , softer and by 08 torn and a wreck

yes, Ronnie's back improved at the 01 ASC and 03 Mr. Olympia. Apparently Flex magazine agrees with me since they changed their vote to Ronnie for best back of all-time.

What's amusing is that you, Mr. Nobody who hides behind his computer, disagrees with the experts at Flex who have seen both compete at their respective primes and unanimously picked Ronnie.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #676 on:** March 14, 2009, 08:43:56 PM »

Quote from: NeoSeminole on March 14, 2009, 08:30:21 PM

yes, Ronnie's back improved at the 01 ASC and 03 Mr. Olympia. Apparently Flex magazine agrees with me since they changed their vote to Ronnie for best back of all-time. What's amusing is that you, Mr. Nobody who hides behind his computer, disagrees with the experts at Flex who have seen both compete at their respective primes and unanimously picked Ronnie.

I love how you make NO attempt what so ever to elaborate on how and why it ' improved ' you just claim it was improved , in 2001 it didn't improve at all over 1998/1999 it wasn't wider , thicker or more detailed so your assessment besides being a blanket statement is simply inaccurate and 03?

his back got wider and bigger albeit softer that's not an improvement I hate to say hence why no one agrees 2003 is his best showing

and again I love how you glossed over the fact I posted a link saying the contrary and the polls are only worthwhile when they support your claim? and Flex magazine said Joel Stubbs has the best back I'm sure you agreed with them when they typed that? or what does Ronnie have to say on the topic?

Samir Bannout? shall I continue? Ronnie seen him and Dorian compete at the same time lol so did Samir , I mean you're right back to square one Neo , no where

how about this? Flex magazine 2003 asked it's readers to pick there favorite Mr Olympia Ronnie was behind Dorian , I'm sure you agree with that too lol

So Mr Nobody hiding behind your computer The Greatest Bodybuilder of All Time conceded that Dorian has the thickest & freakiest back he ever seen , I think this renders anything you or team flex have to say on the subject moot

QuakerOats · « **Reply #677 on:** March 14, 2009, 08:45:32 PM »

Ronnie= 8 Olympia's
Dorian= 6 Olympia's....................... ....................

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #678 on:** March 14, 2009, 08:46:54 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on March 14, 2009, 08:45:32 PM

Ronnie= 8 Olympia's
Dorian= 6 Olympia's....................... ....................

Dorian 8 wins over Ronnie
Ronnie 0 wins over Dorian

that's gonna hurt

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #679 on:** March 14, 2009, 08:52:48 PM »

98/01 where is this imaginary improvement ?

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #680 on:** March 14, 2009, 09:14:25 PM »

Quote from: NeoSeminole on March 14, 2009, 08:58:29 PM

spare me your lame antics. Ask Flex magazine to elaborate on why they chose Ronnie for the best back ever. I could give you several reasons but you will disagree with them all like the blind guy you are. You're so delusional that you think Flex just did it to piss you off or something.

wah wah wah, that's all I hear from you. Is Samir paid by the largest bodybuilding magazine in the world to attend contests and write reviews? Is his job to take professional photographs of bodybuilders at their peaks? How about Ronnie? Yeah, I thought so. You're left with nothing so now you're grasping at straws. LMAO @ you using Samir who couldn't figure out how to press a damn button during the challenge round to discredit all the experts at Flex magazine.

hey dipshit, fav Mr. Olympia =/= best back

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spare me your lame antics. Ask Flex magazine to elaborate on why they chose Ronnie for the best back ever. I could give you several reasons but you will disagree with them all like the blind guy you are. You're so delusional that you think Flex just did it to piss you off or something.

I don't have to ask Flex magazine even with their pick of Ronnie in first they still prefaced their statement with this

For much of the '90s, there was little dispute that Yates had the best back ever, and there are many who contend so today.

again just because they happened to pick Ronnie this time around doesn't mean anything , they still acknowledge many feel Dorian is , it's arguable they just went with Ronnie. You didn't offer any explanation because I would have destroyed it period you made a blanket statement and as usual didn't offer anything to back up your claim other than the popular opinion of Flex magazine , typical of you

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wah wah wah, that's all I hear from you. Is Samir paid by the largest bodybuilding magazine in the world to attend contests and write reviews? Is his job to take professional photographs of bodybuilders at their peaks? How about Ronnie? Yeah, I thought so. You're left with nothing so now you're grasping at straws. LMAO @ you using Samir who couldn't figure out how to press a damn button during the challenge round to discredit all the experts at Flex magazine.

Oh so a former Mr Olympia winner noted for his outstanding back comments aren't as good as Flex magazines' writers huh? lol more wonderful logic on your behalf , Flex magazine whom now you're sucking their balls said 2001 is Ronnie's best showing but you dismissed them on that , same with other things as well , Flex magazine is right when you want them to be

and thanks for reminding me that Samir was a judge in the challenge round you dummy , you think Flex magazine's opinion trumps a judge? opppsssss that's gonna hurt lol Samir was competing YEARS before there ever was a Flex magazine but somehow they are more right than him? lmfao I can always count on you for a laugh

And how about this guy who you didn't even bother to respond about , The Greatest Bodybuilder of ALL TIME , 8 time Mr Olympia winner and the guy with the most IFBB professional wins in the history of the sport , Ronnie Coleman lol he said in 2003 ( a year you claim his back was at among it's best ) that Dorian had the ' thickest & freakiest back ' he ever seen , you think Flex magazine trumps this? HA how does it feel to constantly get our ass kicked the living shit out of by your own hero? that's gotta suck ?

Flex magazine Dorian Yates best back of the 20th century and that includes Ronnie Coleman lol

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hey dipshit, fav Mr. Olympia =/= best back

Again it's a Flex article and I'm sure you agree with that one too right? ' dipshit " ( real original and creative there )

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #681 on:** March 14, 2009, 09:18:56 PM »

Quote from: NeoSeminole on March 14, 2009, 08:58:29 PM

Is Samir paid by the largest bodybuilding magazine in the world to attend contests and write reviews? Is his job to take professional photographs of bodybuilders at their peaks?

This man was paid by the largest bodybuilding magazine in the world to attend contests and write reviews , yet on MANY occasions you said he was flat out wrong , see hypocrite you know the way

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

Relentless · « **Reply #682 on:** March 14, 2009, 09:41:23 PM »

Quote from: m8 on November 19, 2008, 10:14:01 AM

Dorian has the best back bodybuilding has ever seen.

Behind Ronnie.

NeoSeminole · « **Reply #683 on:** March 14, 2009, 10:56:50 PM »

yawn, you're too easy to refute. I will keep my responses brief so that a simpleton like you can follow.

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on March 14, 2009, 09:14:25 PM

I don't have to ask Flex magazine even with their pick of Ronnie in first they still prefaced their statement with this

For much of the '90s, there was little dispute that Yates had the best back ever, and there are many who contend so today.

irrelevant babble disguised to look important. many =/= majority

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again just because they happened to pick Ronnie this time around doesn't mean anything , they still acknowledge many feel Dorian is , it's arguable they just went with Ronnie. You didn't offer any explanation because I would have destroyed it period you made a blanket statement and as usual didn't offer anything to back up your claim other than the popular opinion of Flex magazine , typical of you

wrong, it does mean something when Flex changes their pick. Bodybuilding physiques evolve just like in every other sport. It's only appropriate that Flex acknowledged Ronnie for surpassing Dorian.

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Oh so a former Mr Olympia winner noted for his outstanding back comments aren't as good as Flex magazines' writers huh? lol more wonderful logic on your behalf , Flex magazine whom now you're sucking their balls said 2001 is Ronnie's best showing but you dismissed them on that , same with other things as well , Flex magazine is right when you want them to be and thanks for reminding me that Samir was a judge in the challenge round you dummy , you think Flex magazine's opinion trumps a judge? opppsssss that's gonna hurt lol Samir was competing YEARS before there ever was a Flex magazine but somehow they are more right than him? lmfao I can always count on you for a laugh

hey dummy, Samir voted for Gustavo in the challenge round in 05 while the judges awarded Ronnie 1st compared to Gustavo in 3rd. This proves that Samir is not fit to judge physiques. So much for your big 'trump card' to discredit Flex magazine.

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And how about this guy who you didn't even bother to respond about , The Greatest Bodybuilder of ALL TIME , 8 time Mr Olympia winner and the guy with the most IFBB professional wins in the history of the sport , Ronnie Coleman lol he said in 2003 ( a year you claim his back was at among it's best ) that Dorian had the ' thickest & freakiest back ' he ever seen , you think Flex magazine trumps this? HA how does it feel to constantly get our ass kicked the living shit out of by your own hero? that's gotta suck?

show me where Ronnie explicitly says that Dorian has the better back.

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NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #686 on:** March 15, 2009, 06:21:11 AM »

Quote from: NeoSeminole on March 14, 2009, 10:56:50 PM

yawn, you're too easy to refute. I will keep my responses brief so that a simpleton like you can follow.

irrelevant babble disguised to look important. many =/= majority

wrong, it does mean something when Flex changes their pick. Bodybuilding physiques evolve just like in every other sport. It's only appropriate that Flex acknowledged Ronnie for surpassing Dorian.

hey dummy, Samir voted for Gustavo in the challenge round in 05 while the judges awarded Ronnie 1st compared to Gustavo in 3rd. This proves that Samir is not fit to judge physiques. So much for your big 'trump card' to discredit Flex magazine.

show me where Ronnie explicitly says that Dorian has the better back.

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yawn, you're too easy to refute. I will keep my responses brief so that a simpleton like you can follow.

Oh so your response is more blanket statements not backed up with anything as usual , you say it's better because it's just better , we'll take your word for it lol

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irrelevant babble disguised to look important. many =/= majority

see above , it's irrelevant because you say so , in the article you're clinging to they outright say there are still many today who feel his back is better , this is totally relevant to the topic at hand.

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wrong, it does mean something when Flex changes their pick. Bodybuilding physiques evolve just like in every other sport. It's only appropriate that Flex acknowledged Ronnie for surpassing Dorian.

we're talking specifically about backs and not physique in general and I asked you before how did it get better? other than being bigger albeit softer , you didn't offer any response just more blanket statements. if Flex said that Dorian had the best back of the 20th century that includes 1998/1999 Olympias that Ronnie won so how does a bigger softer back mean it's better? it doesn't

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hey dummy, Samir voted for Gustavo in the challenge round in 05 while the judges awarded Ronnie 1st compared to Gustavo in 3rd. This proves that Samir is not fit to judge physiques. So much for your big 'trump card' to discredit Flex magazine.

No it doesn't you idiot , Gustavo kicked Ronnie's ass in the side triceps shot he was fit to judge that particular pose and guess what he was dead on the money too , just because Ronnie won the contest doesn't mean he didn't lose a few poses , you would know this if you knew how the IFBB conducts it's judging but I've long exposes your ignorance in this area a long time ago

It wasn't an attempt to discredit Flex magazine something YOU have done many , many times when they squash your ignorance , now you need them lol and FYI dummy Samir Bannout was a paid writer for Flex magazine so you're fucked either way and it leads back to my point you think that writers opinion is somehow more correct than Samir Bannout?

Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates

Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates

So much for ' evolve '

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show me where Ronnie explicitly says that Dorian has the better back.

the your default semantics game huh? never expected that from you

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

right here is where he said it and FYI that was 2003 , so much for ' evolve '

how does it feel Neo getting your ass kicked by your own hero time and time again? that's gotta suck lol

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #687 on:** March 15, 2009, 06:23:05 AM »

Again Neo where is the improvement? 2001 and 1998 are identical in terms of back , width , thickness , detail , development

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #688 on:** March 15, 2009, 07:01:00 AM »

I've explained this before and no one offered a cognizant reply ( as usual ) this is a side-by-side comparison of the two in the exact same pose , now granted Ronnie isn't in his prime but then again neither is Dorian but this will illustrate a a few points that wont change regardless of how much weight Ronnie puts on , now we're talking just backs here and nothing else

start at the top with the traps , Dorian has a clear advantage here and a clear advantage over Ronnie every year and why? sheer size Dorian's traps are bigger and longer wider and thicker than Ronnie , and this would always be and why? you can't change muscle length ( for the positive although a tear can change it for the negative ) so no matter how much weight Ronnie puts on his traps will never be as big as Dorian's as long or as wide , maybe compete in the thickness department albeit softer what advantage is that? NONE now couple the fact that Dorian's traps show unparalleled detail , separation between the upper & lower traps and striations Ronnie never had it's evident Dorian has better traps

Teres major & minor another clear advantage for Dorian , just on sheer physical size and development , Ronnie's looks small in comparison and forced into a smaller area , granted even if he wasn't pushing his shoulder blades together they're not going to match Dorian so size alone and it will always be that way because you again can't change muscle length so no matter how much weight Ronnie puts on the length will always remain the same

Infraspinatus same thing with the teres size and development look at the difference it's night & day

Lats , now does Ronnie's lats insert as low as Dorians? NO will they ever even if he gains more weight? NO so advantage Dorian , width , this is an area Ronnie can compete with Dorian on and depending on the weight even surpass him however at the expense of density I asked again is this an ' advantage ' ? I think not . thickness ? same as width if it's at the expense density it's no advantage , detail? please Dorian stands alone in this area just like traps

spinal erectors Dorian unrivaled thickness and detail , Dorian's xmas tree is second to none

In the end Dorian still has a better back than Ronnie for all of the above reasons regardless of what Flex says .

Hulkster · « **Reply #689 on:** March 15, 2009, 07:07:19 AM »

I love how you ignore the fact that dorian's arms are the worst in olympia history in that shot with Ronnie LOL

even the 1965/6 Larry Scott owns his arms:

thats should tell you something..

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #690 on:** March 15, 2009, 07:09:07 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on March 15, 2009, 07:07:19 AM

I love how you ignore the fact that dorian's arms are the worst in olympia history in that shot with Ronnie LOL

even the 1965/6 Larry Scott owns his arms:

thats should tell you something..

The only part in arms that beat Dorian is biceps , Dorian's forearms and triceps are much better than Scott and it's ironic Scott's calves are eons better than Ronnie's eons earlier lol owned

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #691 on:** March 15, 2009, 07:12:55 AM »

This shot is better than anything Ronnie has ever shown

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #692 on:** March 15, 2009, 07:18:30 AM »

Dorian owns Ronnie and Arnold , no contest

Hulkster · « **Reply #693 on:** March 15, 2009, 07:46:34 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on March 15, 2009, 07:12:55 AM

This shot is better than anything Ronnie has ever shown

wrong: like the latest flex poll says:

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #694 on:** March 15, 2009, 07:47:55 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on March 15, 2009, 07:46:34 AM

wrong: like the latest flex poll says:

What does Ronnie 2003 have to say? yeah I thought so

thanks for playing

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

Hulkster · « **Reply #695 on:** March 15, 2009, 07:49:01 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on March 15, 2009, 07:18:30 AM

Dorian owns Ronnie and Arnold , no contest

wrong again, like the latest flex poll says:

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #696 on:** March 15, 2009, 07:51:20 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on March 15, 2009, 07:49:01 AM

wrong again, like the latest flex poll says:

What does the greatest bodybuilder of all time have to say? what does Samir Bannout have to say? hey how does it feel knowing your own hero always sides with me?

Hulkster · « **Reply #697 on:** March 15, 2009, 08:23:11 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on March 15, 2009, 07:51:20 AM

What does the greatest bodybuilder of all time have to say? what does Samir Bannout have to say? hey how does it feel knowing your own hero always sides with me?

doesn't matter what they say.

if they said the sky was purple, would you belive it when you looked up? fuck no.

and you shouldnt believe it when you see the facts:

QuakerOats · « **Reply #698 on:** March 15, 2009, 08:24:26 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on March 15, 2009, 08:23:11 AM

doesn't matter what they say.

if they said the sky was purple, would you belive it when you looked up? fuck no.

and you shouldnt believe it when you see the facts:

hahahaha, epic calves as big as quads on Dorian.

NeoSeminole · « **Reply #699 on:** March 15, 2009, 08:51:46 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on March 15, 2009, 06:21:11 AM

see above , it's irrelevant because you say so , in the article you're clinging to they outright say there are still many today who feel his back is better , this is totally relevant to the topic at hand.

damn, I made it simple for you and it still went over your head. many =/= majority

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we're talking specifically about backs and not physique in general and I asked you before how did it get better? other than being bigger albeit softer , you didn't offer any response just more blanket statements. if Flex said that Dorian had the best back of the 20th century that includes 1998/1999 Olympias that Ronnie won so how does a bigger softer back mean it's better? it doesn't

Ronnie's back was slightly wider and thicker at the 01 ASC while maintaining the same conditioning as 98. In 03, he sacrificed conditioning but presented a much larger back which still had plenty of definition.

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No it doesn't you idiot , Gustavo kicked Ronnie's ass in the side triceps shot he was fit to judge that particular pose and guess what he was dead on the money too , just because Ronnie won the contest doesn't mean he didn't lose a few poses , you would know this if you knew how the IFBB conducts it's judging but I've long exposes your ignorance in this area a long time ago

wtf you babbling about? Samir voted for Gustavo (who came in 3rd) in the challenge round posedown over 1st place Ronnie. And you're trying to argue that Samir has more credibility than the experts at Flex ?

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the your default semantics game huh? never expected that from you

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

right here is where he said it and FYI that was 2003 , so much for ' evolve '
how does it feel Neo getting your ass kicked by your own hero time and time again? that's gotta suck lol

I'm still waiting. Nowhere does Ronnie say Dorian has a better back.