Victor's transformation

[Relentless]

How big were Vic's arms in this first pic and how big are they now?  Dude must have added 3 inches!

[gracie bjj]

i saw vic win the nats in new york in 2000 if remember correctly,he was very impressive then,although craig richardson gave everyone a run for the money also that year.vic had the talent to go far and he did imo

[io856]

Anyone who saw his presentation at 2007(?) Mr Olympia where they showed the silhouette would see that Victor is an unbelievable bodybuilder who could easily take the title one day.

[Mobil]

there was a pic i had on my old hd... that had him blantley using synthol in his bis... looked like swelled up balloons... maybe some can find that front double bi pic. it was in a comp 2-3 years ago.. it looked hideous....

[io856]

there was a pic i had on my old hd... that had him blantley using synthol in his bis... looked like swelled up balloons... maybe some can find that front double bi pic

no doubt he used synthol in his biceps at some stage


...but I would argue that it does nothing to detract from his physique in fact it enhances it

[Mobil]

wrong its not synthol... its called "medicine" causes the muscle to flare up and get ripped... the past 3 years..... its the newest "enhancement" bbers are using. vic was never known for his arms.... till the past 2-3 years when bbers found about it

[New Hank Wood]

What ever happened to that gym Victor was involved with?  I heard the thing folded yet he was still taking people's money for memberships..If this is true the guy is a true dirt bag.

Look, Vic has paid his dues.  He's been in the can many times.  Yes, i believe in letting bygones be bygones.  However, it is a two way streeet.  Victor still has not learnt from his past indescetions...i think it is only a matter of time before the law catches up with him again....you sleep with dogs, you catch fleas!

[io856]

wrong its not synthol... its called "medicine" causes the muscle to flare up and get ripped... the past 3 years..... its the newest "enhancement" bbers are using. vic was never known for his arms.... till the past 2-3 years when bbers found about it

nolotil?

[FreedomFighter]

i saw vic win the nats in new york in 2000 if remember correctly,he was very impressive then,although craig richardson gave everyone a run for the money also that year.vic had the talent to go far and he did imo

i was there too, and yes craig gave them a run in the overall pose down! sine then Vic made huge improvement - his first "wow" show as pro was NOC in 02 or 03 when he was working with chris aseto...

[dragonfist]

Anyone who saw his presentation at 2007(?) Mr Olympia where they showed the silhouette would see that Victor is an unbelievable bodybuilder who could easily take the title one day.

It was the 2006 Olympia.  I was there and remember thinking that he had the most
impressive silhouette of all the competitors.

[Gino30]

Vic is yesterdays news

Heath is the future....

[HarleyBreite]

i saw vic win the nats in new york in 2000 if remember correctly,he was very impressive then,although craig richardson gave everyone a run for the money also that year.vic had the talent to go far and he did imo

Dear Gracie BJJ,
    First, you have a keen memory of the 2000 Nationals held in NYC in which Victor won the overall while Craig won the Lt. Hvy Class.  When I went with Craig to the weigh-in the night before, he hit the scales at only 192 pounds.  That year, was his most incredible conditioning ever and is something we would like to see again.  It should be noted that Jason Arntz was hired to dial him in the last few weeks.  I was a bit concerned when Jason had him eat some apple pie filling as a carbing up method.
   As Craig's training partner, I can, at times, get a bit too subjective and vocal during a show.  I remember standing close to the stage during the pose-down and screaming at Craig.  Unfortunately, I was behind 4-5 massive guys who turned out to be Vic's friends.  They were not kind to me supporting Craig. 
   In the end, I do believe Victor deserved the Overall by a very close margin only because of some "hypothetical" gyno issue that may or may not have slightly existed which categorically has not existed since.
   Since that time, Victor and Craig have become close friends and I have gotten to know Victor as a pleasant guy who NEVER takes himself to be overly important.  He is a very quiet and reserved person.
   As a side note, I was curious as to your involvement in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.  I just last Sunday competed in the Royler Gracie/David Adiv International Tournament.
Harley

[Relentless]

no doubt he used synthol in his biceps at some stage


...but I would argue that it does nothing to detract from his physique in fact it enhances it

All of the top guys have probably used synthol at least once.  I wouldn't hold it against Vic if he used it; hell - he'd probably even admit it if you asked him.

[Relentless]

It was the 2006 Olympia.  I was there and remember thinking that he had the most
impressive silhouette of all the competitors.

I was at that show and thought he looked better than anyone.  He had the best combo of shape/mass in the show.  Conceivably, he could have taken the 2006 and 2007 Mr. Olympias.

[250goal]

Synthol doesn't automatically make your arms huge.  I've tried it.  I added something like 1/2 inch.  OH BOY!  I think site injections work much better.  Putting dead oil (Synthol) in there is useless in my opinion.

It still takes hard work, no matter what you put in your arms.

[Relentless]

Synthol doesn't automatically make your arms huge.  I've tried it.  I added something like 1/2 inch.  OH BOY!  I think site injections work much better.  Putting dead oil (Synthol) in there is useless in my opinion.

It still takes hard work, no matter what you put in your arms.

True.  However, many of the clowns here would rather discredit someone else who's accomplishing something rather than attempting to achieve something themselves. 

[Ronnie Rep]

True.  However, many of the clowns here would rather discredit someone else who's accomplishing something rather than attempting to achieve something themselves. 
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[Relentless]

Dear Gracie BJJ,
    First, you have a keen memory of the 2000 Nationals held in NYC in which Victor won the overall while Craig won the Lt. Hvy Class.  When I went with Craig to the weigh-in the night before, he hit the scales at only 192 pounds.  That year, was his most incredible conditioning ever and is something we would like to see again.  It should be noted that Jason Arntz was hired to dial him in the last few weeks.  I was a bit concerned when Jason had him eat some apple pie filling as a carbing up method.
   As Craig's training partner, I can, at times, get a bit too subjective and vocal during a show.  I remember standing close to the stage during the pose-down and screaming at Craig.  Unfortunately, I was behind 4-5 massive guys who turned out to be Vic's friends.  They were not kind to me supporting Craig. 
   In the end, I do believe Victor deserved the Overall by a very close margin only because of some "hypothetical" gyno issue that may or may not have slightly existed which categorically has not existed since.
   Since that time, Victor and Craig have become close friends and I have gotten to know Victor as a pleasant guy who NEVER takes himself to be overly important.  He is a very quiet and reserved person.
   As a side note, I was curious as to your involvement in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.  I just last Sunday competed in the Royler Gracie/David Adiv International Tournament.
Harley

Harley, I've seen the pics from that show and the gyno was not "hypothetical."  Craig did look very good at that show though; the overall probably could have gone either way without much complaint.  When the show is that close, something like a small case of gyno can make the difference.

[Mr.1derful]

It still takes hard work, no matter what you put in your arms.

Just ask Flex Wheeler.

[io856]

Just ask Flex Wheeler.

if you think you can just stick a few needles in your arms and inject something and they will be big then you got another thing coming

[Mr.1derful]

if you think you can just stick a few needles in your arms and inject something and they will be big then you got another thing coming

Anyone who utilizes hard work as the true cornerstone of their program doesn't resort to lazy bullshit shortcuts like synthol. 

[DroppingPlates]

wrong its not synthol... its called "medicine" causes the muscle to flare up and get ripped... the past 3 years..... its the newest "enhancement" bbers are using. vic was never known for his arms.... till the past 2-3 years when bbers found about it

Similar like escline?

[Relentless]

Here's a pic from the 2000 Nationals.

[Relentless]

Anyone who utilizes hard work as the true cornerstone of their program doesn't resort to lazy bullshit shortcuts like synthol. 

So you're saying that top pro bodybuilders don't utilize hard work as the "cornerstone of their programs?" 

Keep in mind that MANY top pros have used synthol, and that's a fact.

[io856]

Anyone who utilizes hard work as the true cornerstone of their program doesn't resort to lazy bullshit shortcuts like synthol. 

So are you saying Ronnie Coleman didn't put hard work into his calves?

or

Ruhl didn't put hard work into his triceps?

or

Flex didn't put hard work into his arms?