Are liberals clinically mad?

[gcb]

This shit wouldn't fly in any other first world country.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Why oh why do you insist on parading your vast and comprehensive ignorance on these boards?  Are you a masochist?

"The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."   --Adam Smith  The Wealth of Nations

Do you see where you made your mistake?

The rich don't pay nearly enough in taxes.  You conveniently look at the income tax.  It's graded and the rich pay more b/c they earn more.  The Soc Sec tax is flat.  Only the medicare portion is not capped at the soc. sec. wage base.  I never hear you right wingers talk about that though. 

The rich use more governmental resources than the poor so they should pay more taxes relative to their amount of income. 

Thank god we don't have elitests like yourself running the gov.  Excluding middle and lower class people from voting isn't exactly the flower of democracy, is it?

I understand why you say these things.  Your little black heart is fascist.  You can admit that.  You're a fascist elitest.  The founding fathers were not deities.  Many were pieces of shit.  Many were highly educated.  All of them are distorted and exploited by rightwing fanatics such as yourself.

Good job...

Because poverty of the 18th century colonies is SSSOOOOOO much like the poverty of the early 21st century USA.  You are a dunce.

The constitution being an obvious backbone of conservatism doesn't require any exploitation.  And believing in it and defending it hardly makes me a fascist.  Let's aim a little higher next time, ok little guy?!?

[The Coach]

Hey Decker, you suppose that cherity was never enough because it's always been the conservatives are the ones that give the majority of the time? You ACTUALLY think socialism is better huh?

[The Coach]

.....How come dems/Libs don't "spread the wealth" through cherity? There's a cherity for everything, pick one and donate!

[240 is Back]

You ACTUALLY think socialism is better huh?

Bush just gave 7.4 trillion bucks to corporate America, according to bloomberg.

I don't think EITHER party can stand on their high horse and tease the other about socialism anymore

[The Coach]

Bush didn't give 7.76 trillion. That's what being proposed by the Government. WTF are you talking about Rob? I read the artical just like you!

[garebear]

Venezuela, Cuba, USSR, China, North Korea, et al are all examples of Marxist states gone bad. 

 

Yeah, their economy is really in the shitter.

[Soul Crusher]

Yeah, their economy is really in the shitter.

China is in the toilet, dont buy the propoganda.  americans cutting back on crap from china is killing them right now.

[garebear]

China is in the toilet, dont buy the propoganda.  americans cutting back on crap from china is killing them right now.

OK.

[Decker]

I don't see how you can call Friedman a "putz" and say he was wrong when the proof that he was RIGHT is literally all around you.  It's not perfect but it's the best there is.  Show me an economy anywhere else in the world that has worked better based on the principles you seem to be espousing.  Maybe it's a nice idea in theory but show me where it's worked and made this "worker" of which you speak, affluent and prosperous and successful.

You can hate that Friedman's right and wish it were different in your world and resent him and call him all sorts of names like "putz" and "douchebag" but it doesn't change how it is.  I knew this thread would eventually degenerate into name-calling, thanks for proving me right.

He's a douchebag b/c he wants it all for corporations.  He wants corporate personhood with the attendant constitutional rights into infinity but he never heard of social responsibility in that context b/c according to him, the only responsibility a corporation has is to maximize profits.  He wants all the benefits without the burdens.  Monetarism was tried in Britain and the US in the late 70s and early 80s and failed miserably.  He's a tap dancing corporate apologist.  He's everything I despise in an economist.

Other than that, he's great.

[Decker]

Good job...

Because poverty of the 18th century colonies is SSSOOOOOO much like the poverty of the early 21st century USA.  You are a dunce.

The constitution being an obvious backbone of conservatism doesn't require any exploitation.  And believing in it and defending it hardly makes me a fascist.  Let's aim a little higher next time, ok little guy?!?

You're the one who doesn't know shit about Adam Smith and you call me a dunce?  OH the humanity and the projection.

Why must you show your stupidity time and again for all to see? 

A normal person would have crawled away while the wake of your ignorance subsided.  But not you.  You are a masochist.

[Decker]

Hey Decker, you suppose that cherity was never enough because it's always been the conservatives are the ones that give the majority of the time? You ACTUALLY think socialism is better huh?

Charity is never enough.  Conservatives only give more than liberals if you count the money rightwingers give to their favorite witch doctors and/or shamans. 

I don't count donations/tithing to voodoo as true charity.  You can, if it makes you feel better.

The US already has Socialized Capitalism.  Didn't anyone tell you?

[240 is Back]

China is in the toilet, dont buy the propoganda.  americans cutting back on crap from china is killing them right now.

theyre the biggest holder of US foreign debt.

we own them, as they hurt so much if the dollar fails.  But they own us too.

[LurkerNoMore]

.....How come dems/Libs don't "spread the wealth" through cherity? There's a cherity for everything, pick one and donate!

What is this "cherity" you continue to speak of?

As for as CHARITY goes, I think I will donate to the Leave No Child Behind.  Maybe they will get you enrolled in grade school again. 

[bears]

Why oh why do you insist on parading your vast and comprehensive ignorance on these boards?  Are you a masochist?

"The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."   --Adam Smith  The Wealth of Nations

Do you see where you made your mistake?

The rich don't pay nearly enough in taxes.  You conveniently look at the income tax.  It's graded and the rich pay more b/c they earn more.   The Soc Sec tax is flat.  Only the medicare portion is not capped at the soc. sec. wage base.  I never hear you right wingers talk about that though. 

The rich use more governmental resources than the poor so they should pay more taxes relative to their amount of income. 

Thank god we don't have elitests like yourself running the gov.  Excluding middle and lower class people from voting isn't exactly the flower of democracy, is it?

I understand why you say these things.  Your little black heart is fascist.  You can admit that.  You're a fascist elitest.  The founding fathers were not deities.  Many were pieces of shit.  Many were highly educated.  All of them are distorted and exploited by rightwing fanatics such as yourself.

fact.  40% of US tax revenue is paid by the top 1% of tax returns.  most of the rest is paid by the upper middle, middle class joes like you and me.  the uber rich pay the overwhelming majority of our income taxes.  we pay the rest.

[Decker]

fact.  40% of US tax revenue is paid by the top 1% of tax returns.  most of the rest is paid by the upper middle, middle class joes like you and me.  the uber rich pay the overwhelming majority of our income taxes.  we pay the rest.

Income taxes.  What about all the other taxes?

The top marginal rate in the 50s was 91% and that decade was considered a high point in our history for standard of living.

[Soul Crusher]

Income taxes.  What about all the other taxes?

The top marginal rate in the 50s was 91% and that decade was considered a high point in our history for standard of living.

No one paid that amount and it was full of loopholes just like the current system is. 

The middle class is hammered to DEATH, not in income taxes, but FICA taxes, energy taxes, real estate taxes, sales taxes, communication taxes, fees, costs, tickets and other taxes.

The average person pays at least 50% tax on every dollar by my estimation when all of the above are taken into account.  Its theft by any other name and the founding fathers, who were far smarter and enlightened than we are, started a revolution over such acts.   

[bears]

Income taxes.  What about all the other taxes?

The top marginal rate in the 50s was 91% and that decade was considered a high point in our history for standard of living.

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which other taxes do you wanna increase?  i would think them paying 40% of all our federal tax revenue is a pretty good contribution.  what about the guys like me and you workin our balls off for 100k-250k?  thats who pays the rest.  the poor are not burdened with any significant share of our tax revenue.  in fact with the refundable tax credits we pay a lot of them to stay poor.    

[Decker]

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which other taxes do you wanna increase?  i would think them paying 40% of all our federal tax revenue is a pretty good contribution.  what about the guys like me and you workin our balls off for 100k-250k?  thats who pays the rest.  the poor are not burdened with any significant share of our tax revenue.  in fact with the refundable tax credits we pay a lot of them to stay poor.    

3333...is right.  All tax rates are nominal.  The actual rates can be zero.

[Soul Crusher]

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which other taxes do you wanna increase?  i would think them paying 40% of all our federal tax revenue is a pretty good contribution.  what about the guys like me and you workin our balls off for 100k-250k?  thats who pays the rest.  the poor are not burdened with any significant share of our tax revenue.  in fact with the refundable tax credits we pay a lot of them to stay poor.    

Like I said, we are saturated with too many taxes as it is. 

I live in Westchester County, NY.  We have the honor of being the highest taxed county in the nation.  Its unreal and only the uber rich and poor benefit from this chaos. 

This is just how liberals want it.  They want enough poor people dependent on welfare and them for votes, and enough rich people to pay for it. 

Damn everyone else.

[bears]

3333...is right.  All tax rates are nominal.  The actual rates can be zero.

still doesnt change the fact that the rich, with regards to tax revenue, pay their fair share and then some and that the poor are not being overly burdened with taxes.

[Soul Crusher]

still doesnt change the fact that the rich, with regards to tax revenue, pay their fair share and then some and that the poor are not being overly burdened with taxes.

The middle class are way overburdened with taxes.  Not income taxes, but others.

I will say this, I live in Westchester County, and the richest get their monies worth from the property taxes they pay depending on where they live.  For example, Bronxville, Scarsdale, Chappaqua, Edgement, Rye, Purchase, all pay crazy property taxes, but the schools are excellent.

HOWEVER!!!!!!!!!!

Middle class people in Westchester who live in Yonkers, Mt. Vernon, New Rochelle, Port Chester, who also pay VERY HIGH taxes, have terrible schools.

As far as income taxes go, yes the rich pay the most.  However, you cant raises taxes on middle class people because they are already paying extremely high taxes as a portion of their income, just not income taxes.     

[bears]

The middle class are way overburdened with taxes.  Not income taxes, but others.

I will say this, I live in Westchester County, and the richest get their monies worth from the property taxes they pay depending on where they live.  For example, Bronxville, Scarsdale, Chappaqua, Edgement, Rye, Purchase, all pay crazy property taxes, but the schools are excellent.

HOWEVER!!!!!!!!!!

Middle class people in Westchester who live in Yonkers, Mt. Vernon, New Rochelle, Port Chester, who also pay VERY HIGH taxes, have terrible schools.

As far as income taxes go, yes the rich pay the most.  However, you cant raises taxes on middle class people because they are already paying extremely high taxes as a portion of their income, just not income taxes.     

agreed. 

[Soul Crusher]

agreed. 

I think the founders of this nation, especially Jefferson, would have had and advocated many numerous boston tea parties by now. and perhaps more.

Its really disgraceful what he have become as far as taxation goes. 

[w8tlftr]

Bush just gave 7.4 trillion bucks to corporate America, according to bloomberg.

I don't think EITHER party can stand on their high horse and tease the other about socialism anymore

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