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« Reply #125 on: November 24, 2008, 10:55:22 PM »
I would much rather look like world class naturals such as
Jeff Willet, and Skip LaCour than Markus Ruhl  :-X




Ahahaha ....I see the term "natural" is used loosely nowadays ::)

And btw. even if you would have been shredded there is no way in hell you could've beaten Aquilles , dov , goudy .. and most of the other entrants. And I think you know that I'm right.
Honestly you look like I did when I was like ... 14-15 years old. Hmmm I might even looked better .. yea most definitely.


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« Reply #126 on: November 24, 2008, 10:58:41 PM »
Well these here are old from the summer. I was a bit fatter as I was playing around with caloric numbers for a while.



As you can see, I stay lean and about the same size.  A few lbs difference here and there. Ah, the Natural slow progression.

this face...THIS FACE... THIS FACE! OH MAN...

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« Reply #127 on: November 24, 2008, 11:00:00 PM »

Ahahaha ....I see the term "natural" is used loosely nowadays ::)

And btw. even if you would have been shredded there is no way in hell you could've beaten Aquilles , dov , goudy .. and most of the other entrants. And I think you know that I'm right.
Honestly you look like I did when I was like ... 14-15 years old. Hmmm I might even looked better .. yea most definitely.


oh my, aren't we so very opinioniated with our 30 posts?  :D  ::)

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« Reply #128 on: November 24, 2008, 11:00:15 PM »
3/4 of your posts have been about me, just admit you're gay and have a crush on me and get it over with
like that other guy did  :-X

hahaha
Ive been here for years....just because u have 5k posts, doesnt mean ur not a noob.

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« Reply #129 on: November 24, 2008, 11:03:30 PM »
oh my, aren't we so very opinioniated with our 30 posts?  :D  ::)

So you think more posts make you better in any way ?

Well they don't .. especially not if half of em are bullshit claims.

You barely look like you go to a gym.

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« Reply #130 on: November 24, 2008, 11:05:45 PM »
So you think more posts make you better in any way ?

Well they don't .. especially not if half of em are bullshit claims.

You barely look like you go to a gym.
you're been registered for 7 days Mr. Gimmick  8)  ::)
it's so tough talking behind a computer, you'd never say anything to me face to face

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« Reply #131 on: November 24, 2008, 11:12:32 PM »
you're been registered for 7 days Mr. Gimmick  8)  ::)
it's so tough talking behind a computer, you'd never say anything to me face to face

I'm not a gimmick .. thought we were over this.

I'd say whatever I want to your face. I'm a really nice guy that's why I would not insult you for no reason.
I'm just telling you the truth you're the one posting bullshit all over this board so you should either change your way of writing or get used to the fact that people will call you out.. and if you think just because you're 6feet6 or whatever I would be scared of you you're wrong. I am pretty strong and big..  ;)

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« Reply #132 on: November 25, 2008, 07:48:52 AM »
I hope he knows that I have advocated a calorie is a calorie but a Macro Nutrient is NOT a Macro Nutrient the entire time.  I think he may be confused a bit.

1. No you have not!!  That did not start until the "latest" version of the principles were posted.  Early on you stated that the only thing that matters is TOTAL CALORIES, then proceeded to post pictures of ice cream.

2. You never said anything about 1g protein per lb of bodyweight, that was also added in later.  You were advocating the RDA for everything, including protein.

3. You made bullshit claims with no specifics to get attention, now you cleverly "refine" it to save face.

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #133 on: November 25, 2008, 07:56:45 AM »

but as far as drugs go I never really believed that drugs increased you need for more protein, but instead increased the utilization of it it. Of course this is just my theory, but I am basing it on seeing people gain on drugs with no change in calories and or protein intake. I believe most guys on drugs eat way too damn much anyway.

Steroids increase recycling of aminos, so yes, guys on drugs can actually grow on less protein.

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« Reply #134 on: November 25, 2008, 08:01:50 AM »
Haven't read the whole thread but saw the Minnesota experiment mentioned. I've mentioned it before too. It of course proves that everyone will lose weight if calories are restricted and the weight loss is predictable. The slowing of the metabolism wasn't as dramatic as many would expect either.

There were no fat people coming out of the concentration camps either!

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« Reply #135 on: November 25, 2008, 08:13:10 AM »
We have (Berardi and I) have discussed this from time to time. Here's a summary (or at least a summary for John :-\) Maybe this will help.




By Dr. John M Berardi, Ph.D.
First published at www.t-nation.com, May 11, 2005.

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A Violent Uprising?

Arthur Schopenhauer, a preeminent 19th century philosopher, once said that truth isn’t always as easily accepted as we’d like it to be. Specifically, he stated: "Truth always goes in 3 stages. First it is ridiculed, then violently opposed, and finally accepted as self-evident."

Now, in this article, I intend to introduce the Testosterone Nation to a new
"truth." Well, maybe that’s not the best way of saying it. But, since saying
that I intend to introduce the T-Nation to my best guess at a theoretical model designed to explain and predict a natural phenomenon will leave a few of you scratching your heads, let’s stick with calling it a new truth.

The "new truth" that I want to introduce you to today is a new view of the
concept of energy balance. Although the ideas in this article will suggest that the current view of the energy balance equation offers limited explanatory and predictive power and, as a result, needs revisions, I don’t necessarily think that these ideas will stir uprisings, violent or otherwise.

First of all, the concepts in this article are logical, supported by research, and have appeared in bits and pieces, albeit fragmented, elsewhere on this site in the work of myself and the Warrior Nerd, Dr Lonnie Lowery.

Second of all, I’m just not sure the concept of energy balance has the power to rouse violence. It always makes me chuckle when "experts" (in any field) parrot this Schopenhauer quotation, suggesting that the ridicule of their ideas actually somehow makes the ideas true! Looking back through history, many more ridiculed ideas have been shown to be false than have shown to be true.

So rather than testing the ideas in this article against the barometer of ridicule and violent upheaval, let’s just test them against a much more objective standard—the available body of scientific and clinical evidence.

The Current View of Energy Balance

Let’s start out with a few pictures illustrating the current view of energy
balance, or, at least, how most people view the relationship between "calories in" and "calories out."

The first image below represents how most people perceive the energy balance equation during weight maintenance. As the diagram represents, when "calories in" are equivalent to "calories out," body mass should remain constant.




The next image below represents the conventional view of the energy balance equation during weight gain. As the diagram represents, when "calories in" exceed "calories out" body mass should be gained.



The next image below represents the conventional view of the energy balance equation during weight loss. As the diagram represents, when "calories out" exceed "calories in," body mass should be lost.



Now, in looking at these pictures it’s important to understand exactly what they represent. These pictures represent a scientific model, or in other words, a mental picture, or idealization, based on physical concepts and aesthetic notions that account for what scientists see regarding a particular phenomenon. And not only does a scientific model, as described above, explain a particular phenomenon, it allows scientists to predict a future course for the phenomenon in question.

Therefore, if the energy balance model above (or as we understand it, based on the pictures) can consistently explain body composition changes seen in those altering their exercise and nutritional habits, as well as predict how any specific change in either variable will impact body composition in the future, it’s a valid model. If not, it’s invalid (incomplete, misunderstood, or completely wrong).

From that perspective, let’s take a few case studies of mine and see if the
model above holds up under the explanatory and predictive scrutiny necessary for a scientific model to be valid.

Three Strikes and You’re Out
In order to support my contention that the above-mentioned model of energy
balance (or as we understand it, based on the pictures) is inadequate; here are 3 case studies for your examination.

*Case Study #1:
National Level Cross Country Skier; Female - 20y

Client Information from September 2002:
5’6" ; 160lb ; 22% fat
(125lb lean, 35lbs fat)

Exercise Expenditure:
~1200kcal/day

Energy Intake:
~2500kcal/day
15% protein
65% carbohydrate
20% fat

Client Information from December 2002:
5’6" ; 135lb ; 9% fat
(123lb lean, 12lbs fat)

Exercise Expenditure:
~1200kcal/day

Energy Intake:
~4000kcal/day
35% protein
40% carbohydrate
25% fat

Net result — 12 weeks:
25lbs lost; -23lb fat; -2lbs lean

*Note that in case study #1, we increased energy intake by a whopping 1500 per day while energy expenditure remained the same. Since the athlete was weight stable in September—prior to hiring me—you might have expected her to have gained weight during our 12 week program. However, as you can see, she lost 25lbs (while preserving most of her muscle mass). Since the energy balance model above, as it appears, can’t explain this very interesting result, that’s one strike.

*Case Study #2:
Beginner Weight Lifter; Male — 23y

Client Information from August 2003:
5’6" ; 180lb ; 30% fat
(126lb lean, 54lbs fat)

Exercise Expenditure:
~200kcal/day

Energy Intake:
~1700kcal/day
21% protein
57% carbohydrate
22% fat

Client Information from October 2003:
5’6" ; 173lb ; 20% body fat
(138.5lb lean, 34.5lbs fat)

Exercise Expenditure:
~600kcal/day

Energy Intake:
~2200 - 2400kcal/day
35 - 40% protein
30 - 35% carbohydrate
30 - 35% fat

Net result — 8 weeks:
7lb weight loss; -19.5lb fat, +12.5lb lean

*Notice that in case study #2, we increased energy intake by between 500 and 700 per day while increasing energy expenditure by about 400 per day. Again, since the lifter was weight stable in June, prior to hiring me, you might have expected him to have gained weight or at least remained weight stable during this 8 week program. However, as you can see, he lost 7 lbs. But that’s not the most interesting story. During the 8 weeks, he lost almost 20lbs of fat while gaining almost 13 lbs of lean mass. Since the energy balance model above, as it appears, can’t explain this very interesting result, that’s two strikes.

*Case Study #3:
Mixed Martial Arts Trainer; Male — 35y

Client Information from June 2004:
5’10" ; 179lb ; 19% fat
(148.6lb lean, 30.4lbs fat)

Exercise Expenditure:
~300kcal/day

Energy Intake:
~1100 - 1500kcal/day
48% protein
25% carbohydrate
27% fat

Client Information from August 2004:
5’10" ; 187lb ; 9% body fat
(170.2lb lean, 16.8lbs fat)

Exercise Expenditure:
~600kcal/day

Energy Intake:
~2400 - 2600kcal/day
26 - 38% protein
28 — 42% carbohydrate
22 — 34% fat

Net results — 8 weeks:
8lb weight gain; -13.6 lb fat, +21.6 lb

*Notice that in case study #3, we increased energy intake by between 1100 and 1300 per day while increasing energy expenditure by only about 300 per day. Again, since the lifter was weight stable in June, prior to hiring me, you might have expected him to have experienced a large gain in mass, both significant muscle and fat gains. However, as you can see, he gained 8 total lbs, having lost almost 14lbs of fat while gaining nearly 22lbs of lean mass.
While the energy balance equation might have predicted weight gain, it’s
unlikely that it would have predicted the radical shift in body composition seen in this individual. Yet another strike against the current view of energy
balance, as it appears.

Simplicity and Energy Balance

After looking at the case studies above, you might be wondering where the
classic view went wrong. (You also might be wondering what these individuals were on in order to progress so quickly—well, actually, not one of them took steroids or any nutritional supplements more powerful than Low-Carb Grow! Surge, and fish oil).

Although scientists are still trying to work out what types of metabolic
"uncoupling" are going on in order to produce results like those results above, it’s my belief that the current view of energy balance (depicted in the slides above) is just too simple to offer consistent explanatory and predictive power in the realm of body composition change. Below are the three main reasons I believe this to be true:

1. Calorie restriction or overfeeding (in the absence of other metabolic
intervention like drugs, supplements, or intense exercise) is likely to
produce equal losses is lean body mass and fat mass (w/restriction) or equal gains in lean body mass and fat mass (w/overfeeding). And even if these gains or losses aren’t necessarily equal, they still are in such a proportion that while body mass may be affected, individuals will only likely end up smaller or larger versions of the same shape. I call this the "body shape status quo".(1)

2. Most people assume too much simplicity by associating energy intake with calorie intake alone, and energy expenditure with exercise activity alone. This simplistic view can lead to false assumptions about what causes weight gain and weight loss.(2) Both sides of the equation are much more complex and it’s these interrelationships that are important to physique mastery.

3. Most people treat the energy intake and energy expenditure sides of the
equation as independent. As a result, even if we could avoid reason #2 (the
problem of simplicity) by matching energy intake against all the known forms of work that the body does in utilizing energy,

"…Obesity can arise in the absence of calorie over consumption. In addition, opposite models can show how obesity can be prevented by increasing expenditure to waste energy and stabilize body weight when challenged by hyperphagia (over consumption)". (3)

Factors Affecting Energy Balance

Now, when I say that most people assume too much simplicity by associating energy intake with calorie intake alone, and energy expenditure with exercise activity alone, I’m not shaking my finger at them. Obviously, of the factors playing into energy balance, these are the most readily modifiable. But, assuming they are the only factors playing into energy balance is what gets people into trouble.

In the diagram below, I’ve outlined all the factors that we currently know to
impact both the energy intake and energy expenditure sides of the energy balance equation.


 


Notice one thing, though. I don’t mention hormones here. The reason: hormones don’t impact energy expenditure directly. Rather, they signal a change in one of the factors listed on the energy expenditure side of the equation (or they lead to an increased appetite, thus are two steps removed from affecting the energy intake side of the equation).

Obviously, this relationship is much more complex than most people make it out to be. Sure, on the energy intake side of the equation, things are fairly
simple. The "calories in" are mostly affected by the efficiency of digestion
(90-95% of energy in). And we can control this side by volitionally choosing how much we stuff in our mouths.

However, on the energy expenditure side, we’ve got three major "destinations" for our ingested energy; work, heat and storage. And all the energy coming in goes to one of those three destinations. From this perspective, although it seems a bit counterintuitive, we’re actually always in "energy balance" regardless of whether we’re gaining or losing weight. The energy taken in is always balanced by the energy going toward work, heat and storage.

The interesting part is that during periods of over- or under feeding, the
amount of energy in can influence most of the factors on the energy out side.

Relationships Between Energy In and Energy Out

In order to add another touch of complexity to the discussion, as discussed
above, most people treat the two sides of the energy balance equation as
independent. They’re not. But don’t just take my word for it:

"The regulatory systems (of the body) control both energy input and output so that for a given steady state, compensatory changes on the input side are made if expenditure is challenged, or on the output side (expenditure or efficiency) if intake is challenged…Realizing human obesity is caused by the interaction of an obesigenic environment with a large number of susceptibility genes, successful treatment will require uncoupling of these compensatory mechanisms" (4).

"The critical issue in addressing the problem of alterations in body weight
regulation is not intake or expenditure taken separately, but the adjustment of one to the other under ad libitum food intake conditions" (5).

In the end, as these scientists suggest, understanding the relationship between "energy in" and "energy out" requires a more complex energy balance model than the one most people currently picture in their minds.

And, as promised above, here’s my take on what this model should look like in order to more accurately reflect what’s going on with energy balance.

Dr. JB’s Energy Balance Model

Let’s walk through this model together.


 


First, energy is ingested, with 90-95% of it being digested and absorbed. Once this energy reaches the cells, the intake is "sensed" by the body and signals are sent to the brain (and other tissues) to manipulate energy expenditure.

Here’s one way that energy intake is "sensed." (For a more detailed explanation, check out check out Part 1 of my "Hungry Hungry Hormone" article series.)




Based on the signals received, the brain either sends signals back to the body in order to increase hunger and metabolic efficiency while decreasing metabolism (if in a hypocaloric state), or in order to decrease hunger and metabolic efficiency while increasing metabolism (if in a hypercaloric state).

A complete understanding of this model leads us to realize that trying to
manipulate total energy intake alone in order to alter body composition lets us down because the energy expenditure side of the equation quickly changes to accommodate intake conditions. And trying to manipulate the energy expenditure side of the equation in order to alter body composition lets us down because the energy intake side of the equation is signaled to change in order to match expenditure conditions. In the end, this entire system is in place to prevent significant deviations from a comfortable body composition homeostasis. However, we all know that body mass and body composition can be altered reliably and homeostasis can be overcome to one degree or another. So, how do we manage to "outsmart" the body?

Well, various strategies can help to "uncouple" the relationships between energy intake and expenditure. I’ve detailed a few of them below.

Energy Uncoupling

Notice that there are two possible "uncoupling points" in this energy balance model.



The first uncoupling point lies in the communication between energy sensing/brain signaling (the lower arrow) and the second lies in the communication between the brain and the body—particularly in the drive to eat and the drive to move (the upper arrow).

Think of what dieters face during those inevitable dieting stalemates that
nearly all of us have experienced. Once energy is restricted, appetite is
reduced and both exercise and non-exercise energy expenditure is reduced. In order to combat this inevitable metabolic slow-down, a few of the strategies illustrated above can be beneficial.

First, on the energy sensing/signaling end, periodic re-feeding, the use of
carbohydrate or carbohydrate/protein drinks during exercise, and upregulation of thyroid function by nutritional supplements designed to provide raw materials for thyroid hormone manufacture or to stimulate the conversion of T4 to the more active T3 in the body can help keep the metabolic signal alive.

Secondly, on the brain to body end (the drives to eat and move), although
signals are sent to increase food intake and decrease voluntary activity, these can be uncoupled by refusing to eat more in the face of increased hunger.

Also, uncoupling can occur as a result of performing more exercise and non-exercise activity (including using strategies for increasing the cost of each activity — wearing an X-vest when walking, for example) in an attempt to maintain pre-diet energy expenditure.

If you’re looking for more tips for uncoupling the tight relationship between
energy intake and energy expenditure, check out Dr Lonnie Lowery’s Losing Your Energy Balance series at www.t-nation.com

In addition, as most of you know, I believe that alterations in food type (what
you eat) and food timing (when you eat) can also uncouple this relationship and improve both weight loss profile and muscle building profile.

For more on this, check out my" Lean Eatin’" articles — Part 1 and 2 — as well asmy Appetite for Construction column right here at JB.com.

And if after reading these articles, you still don’t buy into the calore is not a calorie argument (which is closely related to the concepts presented in this article), check out this recent scientific paper by Buchholz and Schoeller (6).

Finally, check out my review of my presentation at the 2004 SWIS Symposium for a more complete treatment of how to use the information presented in this article to impact fat loss.

In the end, I hope it’s evident that the traditional picture of energy balance
is missing one key facet—the fact that energy intake and expenditure are tightly inter-related. Without understanding this relationship, some erroneous conclusions are regularly drawn by dieters and nutritionists, conclusions that prevent the types of success seen in the case studies discussed in this article.

Now that you’re armed with this information, you’ll be better equipped to
construct nutrition schedules designed to "outsmart" the body, uncoupling this relationship above, and losing fat (or gaining muscle) while others stagnate.

 http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/new_view.htm












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Re: Dr Scott Connelly on the radio - He is tackling Adonis Principles!!!!
« Reply #136 on: November 25, 2008, 08:34:46 AM »
How I achieved my goal of 4% body fat by eating peanuts out of my own shit.

By The True Adonis

You might say this is pretty astonishing, but then you might be one of those mere ignorami who subscribe to the idea that you’ve got to ‘eat right’ to lose weight. Well, I’m here to blow holes in that silly myth. I achieved 4 % body fat by eating the peanuts, pea husks, and other caloric legumes out of my own shit. Oh, and with a little Vodka sauce, which is a combination of savory tomatoes, olive oil, cheeses, basil, garlic, oregano and a kick of vodka. Emeril has some very good vodka sauce. I eat it all the time, with the peanuts out of my own shit, of course.

You see, a calorie is calorie, and one simply needs to consume less calories, no matter what they are, than one burns. Cardio is not necessary, because I have this ‘equation’ wherein I consider the thermal and mechanical output of my body, calculate my basal metabolic rate, and simply eat less than that.

Eating the peanuts out of my own shit makes it even easier. This is because I get the full caloric value out of the legume, instead of this mythological “calorie value” you’re supposed to get from the first time around. I find it takes at least three passages to get the full flavor and caloric content from my legumes.

Sometimes I eat the peanuts out of my own shit with a Burger King Whopper. Of course, then I’m eating the sesame seeds out of my own shit for a day or two, which are quite good with Vodka sauce…Did I mention that Emeril has some very good vodka sauce?


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« Reply #137 on: November 25, 2008, 08:42:32 AM »
There is a lot of pent up anger and hate by many members here because they simply cannot believe Adam achieved what he did eating what he wanted. Adonis proved that you can have your cake and eat it too (pun intended ha ha)

Yes great achievement. :o ::)

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« Reply #138 on: November 25, 2008, 09:29:02 AM »
1. No you have not!!  That did not start until the "latest" version of the principles were posted.  Early on you stated that the only thing that matters is TOTAL CALORIES, then proceeded to post pictures of ice cream.

2. You never said anything about 1g protein per lb of bodyweight, that was also added in later.  You were advocating the RDA for everything, including protein.

3. You made bullshit claims with no specifics to get attention, now you cleverly "refine" it to save face.

Hope this helps.
The RDI/RDA covers all of this actually.  I had to clarify it a bit because some of you, such as yourself, are too dim-witted to actually go and read what the RDA/RDI consists of.  I just made it easier via clarification is all.

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« Reply #139 on: November 25, 2008, 09:48:40 AM »
Proof that Apenis does have a degree and is a published writer.  Congrats!

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« Reply #140 on: November 25, 2008, 10:45:42 AM »
The RDI/RDA covers all of this actually.  I had to clarify it a bit because some of you, such as yourself, are too dim-witted to actually go and read what the RDA/RDI consists of.  I just made it easier via clarification is all.

Please use your research skills and show me where the RDA says 1 gram per lb of bodyweight.

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« Reply #141 on: November 25, 2008, 10:47:32 AM »
Proof that Apenis does have a degree and is a published writer.  Congrats!

You have no business talking smack about anyones physique.

Your lack of willpower sickens me!!

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« Reply #142 on: November 25, 2008, 10:50:27 AM »
The RDI/RDA covers all of this actually.  I had to clarify it a bit because some of you, such as yourself, are too dim-witted to actually go and read what the RDA/RDI consists of.  I just made it easier via clarification is all.

You need to read the study I posted.

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« Reply #143 on: November 25, 2008, 11:05:58 AM »
You have no business talking smack about anyones physique.

Your lack of willpower sickens me!!

Hey tell me more so I can do whatever it takes so you kill yourself.  We all know what you look like and you don't belong anywhere but............ well really nowhere

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« Reply #144 on: November 25, 2008, 11:59:43 AM »
Isn't RDA pretty much based upon prison populations and related to the minimum amount people can take in without symptoms?

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« Reply #145 on: November 25, 2008, 12:08:56 PM »
Please use your research skills and show me where the RDA says 1 gram per lb of bodyweight.
The RDA/RDI offers a flexible range and no set number and advocates based on needs. Hope this helps.

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« Reply #146 on: November 25, 2008, 12:13:35 PM »
Most Bodybuilder`s diets fall woefully short of meeting basic recommended nutrients as laid out by the DRI/RDI/RDA.

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« Reply #147 on: November 25, 2008, 12:15:07 PM »
Most Bodybuilder`s diets fall woefully short of meeting basic recommended nutrients as laid out by the DRI/RDI/RDA.

When you get ready for a contest you really think that's an issue ::)?

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« Reply #148 on: November 25, 2008, 12:17:36 PM »
When you get ready for a contest you really think that's an issue ::)?
I personally think it should be addressed and why not?  You can have a functional bodybuilding contest diet that meets and exceeds nutritional needs all the while eating foods you enjoy.

The limiting to certain foods and food groups is the problem.

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Re: Dr Scott Connelly on the radio - He is tackling Adonis Principles!!!!
« Reply #149 on: November 25, 2008, 12:22:12 PM »
I just found one of my diet spreads for August 25th.  As you can see I eat what I enjoy and have met it in a nutritionally sound manner.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/recipe/646293/2

August 25, 2008

Serving size: 
Recipe Ingredients       Qty x Measure                                                              click on name for nutrient facts
96 Extra Ground Beef 4 oz
1.5  x  Custom Food (112g)
Apples, raw, with skin [Includes USDA commodity food A343]
0.7534904  x  100 grams (100g)
Body Fortress Whey Protein
1.0  x  Custom Food (66g)
Butter, without salt
0.030096618  x  100 grams (100g)
Oil, olive, salad or cooking
1.0  x  1 tsp (4g)
Organic Pure Dark Amber Maple Syrup Harris Teeter
0.053743962  x  Custom Food (60g)
Organic Whole Wheat Couscous
0.31  x  100 grams (100g)
Palermo`s Garlic and Pesto Pizza
2.36  x  100 grams (100g)
Peaches, raw
1.76  x  100 grams (100g)
Snickers Marathon Chocolate Nut Burst
1.0  x  Custom Food (80g)
StarKist Tuna Creations Hickory Smoked
2.5  x  Custom Food (56g)
Sugars, granulated [sucrose]
0.07416667  x  100 grams (100g)
Sweet potato, cooked, baked in skin, without salt [Sweetpotato]
1.17  x  100 grams (100g)
FOOD SUMMARY

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2.6 3.5 Fullness FactorND Rating
NutritionData's         
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Weight loss:   
Optimum health:   
Weight gain:   
The good: This food is a good source of Vitamin C and Phosphorus, and a very good source of Vitamin A and Potassium.

Caloric Ratio Pyramid   

37%   26%   37%
Carbs   Fats   Protein

81 NA
   


NUTRIENT BALANCE

63
Completeness Score

PROTEIN QUALITY

23
Amino Acid Score

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NUTRITION INFORMATION
Amounts per Entire Recipe (1,108g)

Calorie Information
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Calories1809(7574 kJ)90%
  From Carbohydrate677(2834 kJ)
  From Fat468(1959 kJ)
  From Protein664(2780 kJ)
  From Alcohol~0.0(0.0 kJ)
Carbohydrates
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Total Carbohydrate~185g~62%
Dietary Fiber~25.9g~104%
Starch~8.3g
Sugars~64.1g
Fats & Fatty Acids
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Total Fat52.3g80%
Saturated Fat~17.9g~90%
Monounsaturated Fat~6.5g
Polyunsaturated Fat~3.3g
Total trans fatty acids~0.0g
Total trans-monoenoic fatty acids~0.0g
Total trans-polyenoic fatty acids~0.0g
Total Omega-3 fatty acids~58.7mg
Total Omega-6 fatty acids~772mg
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Protein & Amino Acids
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Protein~176g~352%
Vitamins
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Vitamin A~25398IU~508%
Vitamin C~112mg~187%
Vitamin D~ ~
Vitamin E (Alpha Tocopherol)~23.0mg~115%
Vitamin K~11.8mcg~15%
Thiamin~1.7mg~112%
Riboflavin~1.9mg~112%
Niacin~23.2mg~116%
Vitamin B6~2.4mg~120%
Folate~416mcg~104%
Vitamin B12~6.0mcg~100%
Pantothenic Acid~11.4mg~114%
Choline~29.2mg
Betaine~41.1mg
Minerals
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Calcium~1190mg~119%
Iron~16.4mg~91%
Magnesium~395mg~99%
Phosphorus~2227mg~223%
Potassium~18032mg~515%
Sodium~2105mg~88%
Zinc~6.7mg~45%
Copper~0.3mg~17%
Manganese~0.7mg~36%
Selenium~0.5mcg~1%
Fluoride~9.7mcg
Sterols
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Cholesterol~209mg~70%
Phytosterols~36.6mg
Other
Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV
Alcohol~0.0g
Water~310g
Ash~2.5g
Caffeine~0.0mg
Theobromine~0.0mg