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Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« on: November 30, 2008, 10:48:33 AM »
Thought this was funny. 

"The message would be clear," he writes in his blog. "Even Democrats agree that Democrats can't run the military."


Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
President-elect Obama's expected selection of Robert Gates as his defense secretary and retired Gen. Jim Jones as his national security adviser is raising eyebrows among liberals.

FOXNews.com

Saturday, November 29, 2008

More than a month before he takes the oath of office, President-elect Barack Obama already is testing the loyalty of his liberal base.

On Monday, he is expected to announce his national security team, which will include Robert Gates as his defense secretary, a carry-over from the Bush administration, and retired Gen. Jim Jones, who supported John McCain for president, as his national security adviser.

Liberal blogger Chris Bowers of The Open Left says the message sent by the selection of Gates undermines Democrats.

"The message would be clear," he writes in his blog. "Even Democrats agree that Democrats can't run the military."

Obama's outspoken opposition to the Iraq war before he became a U.S. senator was one of the reasons he was embraced early in the presidential race by the anti-war faction of the Democratic Party's base, so his apparent decision to keep a Bush adviser as defense secretary for at least a year has raised some eyebrows within that faction.

Bowers, a member of the Pennsylvania state Democratic committee, argues that Gates provided support and cover for practices from waterboarding to the use of psychotropic drugs on terror detainees. The blogger isn't as negative toward Jones but still called it "very disappointing."

"It is just so very frustrating," Bowers writes. "It seems like the only place progressives are making any gains is in the House. We are being entirely left out of Obama's major appointments so far. I guess everyone gets to play in Obama's administration, except progressives."

Democratic blogger Brent Budowsky, who served as a congressional assistant in the 1970s and 1980s, said he would have preferred to see Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska or former Democratic Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia get the nod for defense secretary.

Budowsky said he fears that Obama's national security team will steer him toward a longer military commitment than the one he made on the campaign trail.

"It is unfortunate that on an issue so momentous as who runs the Pentagon at time of war, the views that were stated in the campaign, and supported so deeply by the base of the Democratic Party and the new voters and small donors who were the heart of the Obama campaign, are sacrificed so quickly, for Bob Gates," he writes in his blog.

GOP strategist Dave Winston told FOX News that some pushback was to be expected.

"The base is clearly going to say, where are you headed in terms of this policy?" Winston said. "And I think it will cause him some headaches with the base, although for the overall country, I think they will see it quite favorably."

Democratic consultant Bob Beckel told FOX News that objections from liberals over Obama's Cabinet selections isn't all bad.

"Not so sure, from Obama's standpoint, it's bad politically," he said. "It helps him in his negotiation with Congress."

Obama's national security team also will include several former members of Bill Clinton's administration, eliciting some complaints about recycling people from the Clinton White House. And Obama is expected to pick Hillary Clinton to be his pick for secretary of state.

But Beckel says Obama needs experience from the last Democratic White House.

"If he went to a Democratic administration before that, he'd have to go to the nursing home," he said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/11/29/liberals-furious-obama-keeping-gates/

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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2008, 10:59:49 AM »
"The message would be clear," he writes in his blog. "Even Democrats agree that Democrats can't run the military."


Smart to keep the guy running things on, as you make the transitition.  It means the new guy won't have such a steep learning curve.

Obama was criticized for his lack of experience - now he's being criticized for bringing on experienced people.

Sounds like the sore losers from the 2008 election will bitch about anything ;)

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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2008, 07:58:35 PM »
Um..it the douchebag libs crying. Jones supported McCain and Gates is a Bush guy. Or maybe ur right, the Libs want Obama to be so left wing that they're mad he hasn't dismantled the military and invited our enemies to divide us up.
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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2008, 07:14:35 AM »
I doubt it, BFD.   what ever Obama does he will get criticized by someone.  i got a text from a friend the other day criticizing Obama for defining change as bringing a bunch of x-clinton people into his cabinet. 

There's nothing I've seen him do since he's become the president elect that does make sense. 

Keeping Gates on makes sense.

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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2008, 07:17:35 AM »
The guy understands what we need to do, has already put in place the things Obama wants to do. Its amazing how many promises and statements that Barry has made about the Military, Iraq, Afghanistan etc, that we were addressing moving on or otherwise doing something about. Gates and Jones will do a good job serving the country.
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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2008, 07:35:49 AM »
When are liberals not angry??????????

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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2008, 07:37:24 AM »
The guy understands what we need to do, has already put in place the things Obama wants to do. Its amazing how many promises and statements that Barry has made about the Military, Iraq, Afghanistan etc, that we were addressing moving on or otherwise doing something about. Gates and Jones will do a good job serving the country.

I believe firmly that Obama was briefed on terrorist threats, plans in the works, etc, and now realizes that he previous dovish stance wont work. 

Now that the campaign is over, he is going to have to tell his code pinko supporters to screw off.

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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2008, 07:40:21 AM »
He and his inner circle of morons who were briefed after the election must have shit themselves when they heard whats really going on. Welcome to big boy land barry.
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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2008, 07:50:27 AM »
He and his inner circle of morons who were briefed after the election must have shit themselves when they heard whats really going on. Welcome to big boy land barry.

100%.  His moron followers are still in denial. 

I had a conversation with someone that what happened in India could very easily happen in NYC where I am from. 

It would be so easy to launch a boat into the Hudson from Jersey or Westchester and take a short ride down to Manhattan, dump off 20 terrorists in midtown and creat all sorts of craziness. 

No one in Manhattan ,NYC, is armed other than the cops and Plaxico Burress , so people would be sitting ducks. 

We have a national brain fart as far as self defense is concerned and this type of thing is going to happen here in a major city where the terrorists know people are not armed. 

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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2008, 07:57:43 AM »
I agree, but unlike in India, the NYPD will actually shoot back. The Burress comment is priceless.
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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2008, 08:04:30 AM »
I agree, but unlike in India, the NYPD will actually shoot back. The Burress comment is priceless.

The problem is that there are so many people concentrated in such small places like Grand Central Station, it could be very bad.

I dont know if you have ever been to grand central during rush hour, but there are thousdands of people in a very small space all at once.

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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2008, 08:07:31 AM »
The guys in India wanted to kill 5000 people. I could easily see that happening in NYC. However, the NYPD are top notch, they have a good Intel unit as well as ur counter-terrorism police with the MP-5's walking around. My GF was in the Empire State building 2 weeks ago when they emptied the place out either due to a drill or a call, very professional, no bs etc.
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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2008, 10:27:43 AM »
They're even more pissed that he's keeping most of Bush's policies in place. Gee, I guess Bush wasn't that bad after all!

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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2008, 10:34:07 AM »
They're even more pissed that he's keeping most of Bush's policies in place. Gee, I guess Bush wasn't that bad after all!

Which policies?

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Re: Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2008, 12:20:38 PM »
The guys in India wanted to kill 5000 people. I could easily see that happening in NYC. However, the NYPD are top notch, they have a good Intel unit as well as ur counter-terrorism police with the MP-5's walking around. My GF was in the Empire State building 2 weeks ago when they emptied the place out either due to a drill or a call, very professional, no bs etc.

The NYPD holds terrorism drills on at least a weekly basis. NYPD couter-terrorism standards are ahead of the nation's at large. The more crowded an area is in NYC, the more cops there are.  The Mumbai attack could not be copied here.