Schwarzenegger declares emergency

[Bindare_Dundat]

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday declared a fiscal emergency, calling for fast legislative action to alleviate the state's $11.2 billion shortfall in revenue.

"Without immediate action our state is headed for a fiscal disaster and that is why with more than two dozen new legislators sworn in today - I am wasting no time in calling a fiscal emergency special session," Schwarzenegger said in a news release.

Under the state's Proposition 58, lawmakers will have 45 days to pass measures on resolving the fiscal crisis, and if at the end of that time they have not, the legislature will not be allowed to adjourn or act on other bills until they do, according to the governor's office.

[headhuntersix]

They never stopped spending......stop spending, slash projects, slash programs, reduce the Gov. But he'll get a Loan from his Uncle Sam instead.

[Bindare_Dundat]

If we don't bailout the banks, it'll be a disaster.
If we don't bailout the automakers, it'll be a disaster.
If we don't give California money, it'll be a disaster.

Notice a pattern here?

[Soul Crusher]

They never stopped spending......stop spending, slash projects, slash programs, reduce the Gov. But he'll get a Loan from his Uncle Sam instead.

Number one priority should be stop spending money on illegal mexicans who drain the health care, education, and prison system.

You can literally save billions overnight.

[Hereford]

Number one priority should be stop spending money on illegal mexicans who drain the health care, education, and prison system.

You can literally save billions overnight.

QFT

Californias' budget issues can be completely solved by addressing the wholesale fraud that the illegals are conducting.

It's a lot easiser to get a taxpayer bailout though.....   

[Dan-O]

QFT

Californias' budget issues can be completely solved by addressing the wholesale fraud that the illegals are conducting.

It's a lot easiser to get a taxpayer bailout though.....   

QFT again...   

It's all part of becoming a "kinder, gentler" nation where anything goes and everybody gets--excuse me, ahem--special interests get whatever they want (or else pitch a hissy fit if they don't) while the people who bear the brunt of the expense, get the royal screw job.

[24KT]

Number one priority should be stop spending money on illegal mexicans who drain the health care, education, and prison system.

You can literally save billions overnight.

   I'm not even going to bother to point out the ridiculous and xenphobic nature of your comment, ...but for the sake of argument, let us suppose that is true. Let us suppose that illegals were causing Cali's fiscal crisis. How much better off would other Californians be if they stopped spending money on the prison system? I could just see it now... open the gates of Folsom, and San Quentin and every other penitentiary in the state, let the prisoners walk out. Ya, Cali resisents would be a whole lot better off...NOT! 

[24KT]

I know how Cali is gonna increase their state revenue...but unless you ask me nicely, ...i'm not telling.

[gcb]

You guys should stop complaining about the illegals and learn Spanish already. 

[Deicide]

  I'm not even going to bother to point out the ridiculous and xenphobic nature of your comment, ...but for the sake of argument, let us suppose that is true. Let us suppose that illegals were causing Cali's fiscal crisis. How much better off would other Californians be if they stopped spending money on the prison system? I could just see it now... open the gates of Folsom, and San Quentin and every other penitentiary in the state, let the prisoners walk out. Ya, Cali resisents would be a whole lot better off...NOT! 

You should really get pregnant Judy.

[Hedgehog]

Number one priority should be stop spending money on illegal mexicans who drain the health care, education, and prison system.

You can literally save billions overnight.

Do you know for a fact that the Mexicans drains the economy, or is that just some assumption you're making?

They're actually filling lots of jobs and doing work hours, adding to the cash flow and the GNP.

I don't know if it's a net profit or loss for the USA though. But perhaps you have the numbers on that?

[Soul Crusher]

Do you know for a fact that the Mexicans drains the economy, or is that just some assumption you're making?

They're actually filling lots of jobs and doing work hours, adding to the cash flow and the GNP.

I don't know if it's a net profit or loss for the USA though. But perhaps you have the numbers on that?

They are adding cash flow to Mexico by sending millions back home through wire companies like Western Union. 

They are also taking jobs that citizens need and olny have them because they will work for slave wages and can be easily intimiated by the 21st Century slavemaster employers.

The employers should also be prosecuted for hiring these people.

For you not to see the huge cost to the taxpayer of these people is just blindness on your part. 

 

[Hedgehog]

They are adding cash flow to Mexico by sending millions back home through wire companies like Western Union. 

They are also taking jobs that citizens need and olny have them because they will work for slave wages and can be easily intimiated by the 21st Century slavemaster employers.

The employers should also be prosecuted for hiring these people.

For you not to see the huge cost to the taxpayer of these people is just blindness on your part.   

Look,
I'm not saying that there isn't a big cost.

But IMO, it's possible that it may actually be a net profit for the USA to have the illegal Mexicans there. And that may be the reason why not harder measures are taken to get rid of them.

But I don't know. It could be either way.

You're the one claiming that the illegal immigrants causes a loss.


So I am asking you to provide some source for your claim that they are a net cost.

I know that the Bush administration and the Republican Party has been hesistant to do something about the border control because it interfers with freedom of enterprising, and that companies at the border should be allowed to employ Mexicans for lower wages.

It's essentially an extension of the liberal free-trading policy that is dear to the Republican Party and that I also support.

[Soul Crusher]

Look,
I'm not saying that there isn't a big cost.

But IMO, it's possible that it may actually be a net profit for the USA to have the illegal Mexicans there. And that may be the reason why not harder measures are taken to get rid of them.

But I don't know. It could be either way.

You're the one claiming that the illegal immigrants causes a loss.


So I am asking you to provide some source for your claim that they are a net cost.

I know that the Bush administration and the Republican Party has been hesistant to do something about the border control because it interfers with freedom of enterprising, and that companies at the border should be allowed to employ Mexicans for lower wages.

It's essentially an extension of the liberal free-trading policy that is dear to the Republican Party and that I also support.

Just in Califonia alone:

http://www.10news.com/news/9620142/detail.html


http://morganwrites.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/californias-illegal-aliens-cost-taxpayers-nearly-9-billion-a-year/


On a Federal Scale:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

http://www.heritage.org/research/Immigration/sr14.cfm


These people are a fiscal time bomb to the taxpayer.

[24KT]

They are adding cash flow to Mexico by sending millions back home through wire companies like Western Union. 

They are also taking jobs that citizens need and olny have them because they will work for slave wages and can be easily intimiated by the 21st Century slavemaster employers.

The employers should also be prosecuted for hiring these people.

For you not to see the huge cost to the taxpayer of these people is just blindness on your part. 

Hmmmmm... which is it? ...and how does a group working for slave wages go about accumulating millions?  Duh! 

[Cap]

http://sorrel.humboldt.edu/~economic/econ104/immigrat/

The cost-benefit analysis suggests that the costs ($60 billion) outweigh the benefits ($51 billion) by $9 billion annually. Therefore, current immigration policy is not as efficient as it could be, though the inefficiency is small.

[Dr Loomis]

If we don't bailout the banks, it'll be a disaster.
If we don't bailout the automakers, it'll be a disaster.
If we don't give California money, it'll be a disaster.

Notice a pattern here?

lol exactly

Just bail out every company and administration that has been careless and irresponsible in America, start from scratch, or it will be a disaster.

[Hedgehog]

http://sorrel.humboldt.edu/~economic/econ104/immigrat/

The cost-benefit analysis suggests that the costs ($60 billion) outweigh the benefits ($51 billion) by $9 billion annually. Therefore, current immigration policy is not as efficient as it could be, though the inefficiency is small.

Thanks!

Finally someone gets what I'm after.

Immigration is potentially big business, most people who immigrate are capable persons, persons with a working capacity.

The receiving country just has to find ways to assimilate them better.

One way is to make sure they speak English.

But that's a whole different discussion.

If there is a current loss, something needs to be done.

If it means closed borders or change in policies towards the immigrants or whatever.

But it seems like a waste of potential.

[headhuntersix]

There are 50,000 aliens in the Cali prison system....start there, send em home.

[Mark Kerr]

Do you know for a fact that the Mexicans drains the economy, or is that just some assumption you're making?

They're actually filling lots of jobs and doing work hours, adding to the cash flow and the GNP.

I don't know if it's a net profit or loss for the USA though. But perhaps you have the numbers on that?

Illegal Aliens (facts and statistics)


1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fisca lexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt 01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01 /ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/ 29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their coun tries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ". http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml The total cost is a whooping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message, but on the other hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, then forward it to every friend you have. OK, some of you don't have any friends.

[headhuntersix]

Good enough Hedge!

[shootfighter1]

Illegal immigration is a huge issue and costs this country a lot of $.  Why do the far lefties refuse to admit this?  Refuse to accept the evidence or hear from the boarder mayors and police leaders.  Horrible.  There have already been studies reported on this but they are largely ignored.

We must make it easier and faster for potentially productive immigrants to enter this country.  IMO, we also need to orchestrate some kind of fast track to citizenship for the immigrants that are already here.  Make them learn English, pay a fine for breaking our law, pass the normal citizen testing and allow them to be productive workers and taxpayors.  Then throw out all illegals with criminal records and throw out the people who don't get on the fast track program.  The boarder crimes and gang problems in many boarder cities are largely committed by illegals. 

[headhuntersix]

Look at the stats above.....its ridiculous.


 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens
 $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens

[Soul Crusher]

Illegal immigration is a huge issue and costs this country a lot of $.  Why do the far lefties refuse to admit this?  Refuse to accept the evidence or hear from the boarder mayors and police leaders.  Horrible.  There have already been studies reported on this but they are largely ignored.

We must make it easier and faster for potentially productive immigrants to enter this country.  IMO, we also need to orchestrate some kind of fast track to citizenship for the immigrants that are already here.  Make them learn English, pay a fine for breaking our law, pass the normal citizen testing and allow them to be productive workers and taxpayors.  Then throw out all illegals with criminal records and throw out the people who don't get on the fast track program.  The boarder crimes and gang problems in many boarder cities are largely committed by illegals. 

This is a very simple answer to this question.  The far left knows that most of these people are poor and they hope to get them on all sorts of welfare and make them dependent, like blacks, on the democrat party.

This is ALL about votes for democrats.

They want to do with mexicans what they did with blacks.

[Mark Kerr]

This is a very simple answer to this question.  The far left knows that most of these people are poor and they hope to get them on all sorts of welfare and make them dependent, like blacks, on the democrat party.

This is ALL about votes for democrats.

They want to do with mexicans what they did with blacks.

That is not true.