guys like arnold,yates,gaspari,platz and afew others worked out so hard that other pros would watch in awe,on the sneak tip ofcoarse ;)arnold used to train a bodypart,back for instance,then grab a fresh bodybuilder just walking in the gym and train back again with the fresh guy and i heard hed bury that guy after he just banged out a 2 hour workout.haney stopped traing with gaspari in the early 80,s cause haney said richie was possesed cause of his mind boggling intensity,lee said after a month of trainin with richie he was burned out and had colds,headackes,achy joints and the whole business.i know lee beat richie onstage but it sure wasnt cause he trained harder,lee had better genetics and unfortunatly this is a geneticlly gifted mans game,providing the geneticlly gifted guy or women is doing all the other things needed to be a champ imo