Is anyone watching this bailout BS?

[The True Adonis]

Bush has been the biggest socialistic president to date in America...

Socialism is great. Socialism is simply the ownership of corporations by the people.  That is one thing Sarah Palin (although the program was instilled largely from the legislature with her giving the green light) did correctly in Alaska by allowing the people to own portions of the oil companies en masse thus allowing them en masse` to reap the profits as citizens at no detriment to the corporation.  In fact, it even increased the worth of the oil companies at hand.


Dennis Kucinich did the same thing in Cleveland with the power companies.  Not only are power bills virtually cost free, the people had control of the decisions in their power and how to extend it and what to do with the profits.  This saved the city nearly a billion dollars already and the people basically have free power and the Cleveland Muncipal Power company operates as a huge success to all.

[The True Adonis]

I also love the faux outrage a lot of you are expressing for a proven business model when entrepreneurs continually abuse loans from the government with no proven business model throwing money down the toilet whereas the BIG 3 actually have a value and are proven business models which can recover and they do have a retiree base.

Yet a lot of you see no problem with Joe Sixpack getting a few million dollars for his lawnmower store in the middle of nowhere which employs 3 people and is surely not going to generate revenue as effective as a megacorp.

[The True Adonis]

A little more on the effectiveness of Socialism and Sarah Palin:

The state that she governs has no income or sales tax. Instead, it imposes huge levies on the oil companies that lease its oil fields. The proceeds finance the government’s activities and enable it to issue a four-figure annual check to every man, woman, and child in the state. One of the reasons Palin has been a popular governor is that she added an extra twelve hundred dollars to this year’s check, bringing the per-person total to $3,269. A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, —that “we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”

[grab an umbrella]

you are far too idealistic adonis, there will always be greed which leads to a complete downfall of socialism

[The True Adonis]

Sarah Palin may not know the definition of Socialism, but the crux of her success is true socialism.  If she had a better education, she would probably realize and embrace socialism as it is working very well under her direction.  What is more ironic is how dumb the lot of you and Americans are to see that Socialism works very very well, yet you protest against it like mindless sheep without even knowing the definition and then even have a leader who promotes it, Sarah Palin, but who herself and her followers don`t even recognize that her success is due to her Socialism which is even unbeknownst to her.


Ignorance can be cured.  

[The True Adonis]

you are far too idealistic adonis, there will always be greed which leads to a complete downfall of socialism

When people are funding the corporations and reaping the profits via a vast stake in ownership, greed amongst the leadership of said corporation only increases the coffers of all. 

[Emmortal]

I have no problem with the Big 3 as companies, the real problem is the unions and their greed.  No one should be getting paid $70.00 to turn a wrench, sorry but that's just nonsense.   Most of that money doesn't even go into the pockets of the workers it goes to the Unions.  The unions have fucked up American car companies and need to go.  When I said let them fail I do mean that, they need to go under and come back without unions being involved with them at all.

[The True Adonis]

When people are funding the corporations and reaping the profits via a vast stake in ownership, greed amongst the leadership of said corporation only increases the coffers of all. 

Add to the fact when Socialism is employed which is people OWNING the corporations on a mass scale, corporations are indebted to the people and have to answer directly to the people therefore we then have a direct hand in the companies development and a vested interest in their success.

[The True Adonis]

I have no problem with the Big 3 as companies, the real problem is the unions and their greed.  No one should be getting paid $70.00 to turn a wrench, sorry but that's just nonsense.   Most of that money doesn't even go into the pockets of the workers it goes to the Unions.  The unions have fucked up American car companies and need to go.  When I said let them fail I do mean that, they need to go under and come back without unions being involved with them at all.

Wrong.  You are not using any facts at all with this statement. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not spout things without facts or evidence.

I guess you have never visited or seen an Auto Plant before.  People aren`t just "turning wrenches".  It is a entirely technical process.  Also, if they were turning wrenches by hand, as Ferrari does, the workers would certainly deserve way more than 70 dollars an hour as they are hand building a limited product with artisanship quality.

The Unions are not dragging anyone down. You do realize that membership is optional and that corporations can hire non-union workers on a mass scale at any time.  They choose not to as the Unions actually save the auto manufactures money by taking up benefit pay and unemployment costs.

[The Coach]

Socialism is great. Socialism is simply the ownership of corporations by the people.  That is one thing Sarah Palin (although the program was instilled largely from the legislature with her giving the green light) did correctly in Alaska by allowing the people to own portions of the oil companies en masse thus allowing them en masse` to reap the profits as citizens at no detriment to the corporation.  In fact, it even increased the worth of the oil companies at hand.


Dennis Kucinich did the same thing in Cleveland with the power companies.  Not only are power bills virtually cost free, the people had control of the decisions in their power and how to extend it and what to do with the profits.  This saved the city nearly a billion dollars already and the people basically have free power and the Cleveland Muncipal Power company operates as a huge success to all.

Socialism is lazy people depending solely on the government for help because they can't fend for themselves. It's a cop out. I in NO WAY want to pay for other peoples fuck ups. Cut and paste anything you want Adam but all socialism is, is taking from hard working (and smart) people who have made it on their own.

[The True Adonis]

Socialism is lazy people depending solely on the government for help because they can't fend for themselves. It's a cop out. I in NO WAY want to pay for other peoples fuck ups. Cut and paste anything you want Adam but all socialism is, is taking from hard working (and smart) people who have made it on their own.

Wrong.  See Above on Sarah Palin`s Socialism.

[The Coach]

Most of you have horrible ideas and are clueless as to the detriment it would cause to just let these companies fail when a large segment of America is invested and is employed by the big 3.  Telling retirees that they should go screw themselves and die for no fault of their own by stopping their medical coverage when they are in need as well as stopping their pensions is just plain barbarism.  The lot of you have a herdish mentality and are in no way of recognizing the principal, United we Stand, Divided We Fall.


Here is a real solution

Just seeing these two communtists without playing it was enough to bypass that video. I won't even watch ESPN knowing that prick Olberman might be doing a commentary.

[The Coach]

Wrong.  See Above on Sarah Palin`s Socialism.

Thats not socialism, the profits were redistributed from oil companies not from wealthier private citizens. Thats distributing dividends from profit.

[The True Adonis]

Just seeing these two communtists without playing it was enough to bypass that video. I won't even watch ESPN knowing that prick Olberman might be doing a commentary.

Sarah Palin supports socialism even if she did not realize it via ignorance.  You supported Palin and absolutely loved her.  The crux of her populist success is true socialism.  Do you still support Palin and her Socialism?




The state that she governs has no income or sales tax. Instead, it imposes huge levies on the oil companies that lease its oil fields. The proceeds finance the government’s activities and enable it to issue a four-figure annual check to every man, woman, and child in the state. One of the reasons Palin has been a popular governor is that she added an extra twelve hundred dollars to this year’s check, bringing the per-person total to $3,269. A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, —that “we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”

[The Coach]

Sarah Palin supports socialism even if she did not realize it via ignorance.  You supported Palin and absolutely loved her.  The crux of her populist success is true socialism.  Do you still support Palin and her Socialism?




The state that she governs has no income or sales tax. Instead, it imposes huge levies on the oil companies that lease its oil fields. The proceeds finance the government’s activities and enable it to issue a four-figure annual check to every man, woman, and child in the state. One of the reasons Palin has been a popular governor is that she added an extra twelve hundred dollars to this year’s check, bringing the per-person total to $3,269. A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, —that “we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”

Read my above post adam.

[The True Adonis]

Thats not socialism, the profits were redistributed from oil companies not from wealthier private citizens. Thats distributing dividends from profit.

That is socialism my ill-educated friend. Collective ownership of corporations. So we both agree that Socialism is great then.

[The True Adonis]

Thats not socialism, the profits were redistributed from oil companies not from wealthier private citizens. Thats distributing dividends from profit.

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods or profits, and the creation of an egalitarian society.

[The Showstoppa]

Socialism is for gooks and crusty eastern Europeans.

[The True Adonis]

Socialism is for gooks and crusty eastern Europeans.

And for Sarah Palin or those who realize its effectiveness.

[The Showstoppa]

And for Sarah Palin or those who realize its effectiveness.

Will Palin be naked when she's socializing?   


   

[The True Adonis]

The United States military is still the largest Socialist operating body and it is the most successful. Socialism comes in many forms also such as Fire Department protetction, Police protection, roads, infrastructure such as bridges.

[The Coach]

so·cial·ism    (ssh-lzm) KEY 

NOUN:

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.


By your definition Adam, when I invest in a company or in the stock market and I recieve a dividends check........that's socialism? LOL

[QuakerOats]

The United States military is still the largest Socialist operating body and it is the most successful. Socialism comes in many forms also such as Fire Department protetction, Police protection, roads, infrastructure such as bridges.

EXACTAMUNDO.

[The True Adonis]

so·cial·ism    (ssh-lzm) KEY 

NOUN:

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.


By your definition Adam, when I invest in a company or in the stock market and I recieve a dividends check........that's socialism? LOL

Yep. It sure is.  Socialism at its core is collective ownership by the people.  You support socialism all the time as do I.

[The Coach]

Yep. It sure is.  Socialism at its core is collective ownership by the people.  You support socialism all the time as do I.

Ok, I'm done here. Sorry Adam, but we're going to have to agree to disagree.