Your opinion on Muscle Tech's training program

[ASJChaotic]

Cumulative Blood Volume Training (CBVT)

http://www.muscletech.com/resources/features/muscle_cell_volume/index.shtml


what do you think?
Legit or Bullsh*t?

[ManBearPig...]

Crait Titus used to do blood volume training.  Look where it got him.

[Klaus Deurring]

Crait Titus used to do blood volume training.  Look where it got him.

craig titus is training with the prison made leg press as we speak, he'll be back harder and stronger than ever.

[WhiteCastle]

I say bullshit. Muscletech needs to somehow get people who take their products to think they are working.  If they push programs that emphasize getting big pumps, it will add to that perception that they are working, even though in reality it may not be increasing lean mass or strength. 

[tbombz]

References:
1 MacDougall, J.D., Sale, D.G. J.R. Moroz, G.C.B. Elder, J.r. Sutton, and H.Howard. (1982). Muscle ultra-structural characteristics
     of lite power-lifters and bodybuilders. Eur. Journal Appl. Physiol. 48:117-126.

2 Goforth H.W., et al. (1997). Persistence of supercompensated muscle glycogen in trained subjects after carbohydrate loading.
     Journal of Appl Physiol. Vol. 82. (1) 342-347.

3 Yamada, S., Buffinger, N. Dimario, J. and Strohman, R. C. (1989). Fibroblast growth factor is stored in fiber extracellular matrix
     and plays a role in regulating muscle hypertrophy. Med. Sci. Sports Exerc. 21(5): S173-S180.

4 Morgan, D.L. and Allen, D.G. (1999). Early events in stretch-induced muscle damage. Journal Appl Physio. 87: 2007-20015.

5 Clarkson P.M, Tremblay I. (1998). Exercise-induced muscle damage, repair and adaptation in humans. Journal of Applied
     Physiol. Vol 65, (1) 1-6.

6 Hortobagyi, T., et al. (1998). Normal forces and myofibrillar disruption after repeated eccentric exercise. Journal Appl Physiol.
     (84): 492-498.




the training idea is legit

[AVBG]

Cumulative Blood Volume Training (CBVT)

http://www.muscletech.com/resources/features/muscle_cell_volume/index.shtml


what do you think?
Legit or Bullsh*t?

Go drink your own piss.

[tbombz]

Go drink your own piss.

LMAO nice one 

[The Showstoppa]

Cumulative Blood Volume Training (CBVT)

http://www.muscletech.com/resources/features/muscle_cell_volume/index.shtml


what do you think?
Legit or Bullsh*t?

Wouldn't the next weight you pick up be your first? 

[#1 Klaus fan]

There is no easy way out and I don´t see nothing revolutionary in that program.

[Bluto]

Why not ask the getbig expert on Pump - Pumpster?

[ASJChaotic]

Go drink your own piss.

what is your problem?

seriously, I'll leave the piss drinking to you old man.  You seem to need it.

[AVBG]

what is your problem?

seriously, I'll leave the piss drinking to you old man.  You seem to need it.

you're disgusting.

[johnnynoname]

it works

it is the program all the muscle tech pro use to get big and shredded

end of thread

[ASJChaotic]

you're disgusting.

LOL you play with a horse's tail and you'll get kicked in the face, be nice and I'll be nice back
you've been a total dick recently, you only get what you give me.

[_bruce_]

Legit bullshit

[Monster81]

Legit bullshit

exactly,,all BS

[tbombz]

NOT bullshit

References:
1 MacDougall, J.D., Sale, D.G. J.R. Moroz, G.C.B. Elder, J.r. Sutton, and H.Howard. (1982). Muscle ultra-structural characteristics
     of lite power-lifters and bodybuilders. Eur. Journal Appl. Physiol. 48:117-126.

2 Goforth H.W., et al. (1997). Persistence of supercompensated muscle glycogen in trained subjects after carbohydrate loading.
     Journal of Appl Physiol. Vol. 82. (1) 342-347.

3 Yamada, S., Buffinger, N. Dimario, J. and Strohman, R. C. (1989). Fibroblast growth factor is stored in fiber extracellular matrix
     and plays a role in regulating muscle hypertrophy. Med. Sci. Sports Exerc. 21(5): S173-S180.

4 Morgan, D.L. and Allen, D.G. (1999). Early events in stretch-induced muscle damage. Journal Appl Physio. 87: 2007-20015.

5 Clarkson P.M, Tremblay I. (1998). Exercise-induced muscle damage, repair and adaptation in humans. Journal of Applied
     Physiol. Vol 65, (1) 1-6.

6 Hortobagyi, T., et al. (1998). Normal forces and myofibrillar disruption after repeated eccentric exercise. Journal Appl Physiol.
     (84): 492-498.




the training idea is legit

[leonp1981]

craig titus is training with the prison made leg press as we speak, he'll be back harder and stronger than ever.

I agree that his ankles are probably above his head, but I doubt it's on a leg press machine.

 

[Bluto]

their studies are bullshit

[tbombz]

their studies are bullshit

no, they use those 6 studies to prove certain points through out their article and the combined evidence proves their point.

[ASJChaotic]

no, they use those 6 studies to prove certain points through out their article and the combined evidence proves their point.

how would that work? 
the lactic acid and things will build up in the muscle and it will run out of energy before it is fully worked.
Fatigue doesn't mean overload.

[WhiteCastle]

NOT bullshit

Just because they post some references does not mean any of the references actually test their theories.  Kind of odd that not a single one is from this century either.

[pumpster]

their studies are bullshit

Troll waits for everyone else's opinion before jumping on the bandwagon lol

[Bluto]

no, they use those 6 studies to prove certain points through out their article and the combined evidence proves their point.

no thats all they got a bunch of shitty studies that are lame as hell

check out this one for example:

Exercise-induced muscle damage, repair, and adaptation in humans.

This study examined exercise-induced muscle damage, repair, and rapid adaptation. Eight college-age women performed three eccentric exercises of the forearm flexors. One arm performed 70 maximal contractions (70-MAX condition), and the other arm performed 24 maximal contractions (24-MAX) followed 2 wk later by 70 maximal contractions (70-MAX2). Criterion measures of serum creatine kinase, muscle soreness and pain, isometric strength, and muscle shortening were assessed before, immediately after, and for 5 days after each exercise. Significant changes in all criterion measures were found after the 70-MAX exercise with a slow recovery that was not complete by day 5 after exercise. The 24-MAX condition showed only small changes in the criterion measures. Changes in the criterion measures after the 70-MAX2 exercise were significantly smaller than those after the 70-MAX exercise. Results from this study, with regard to the ability of the muscle to adapt to exercise-induced damage, suggest that an adaptation takes place such that the muscle is more resistant to damage and any damage that does occur is repaired at a faster rate. It is also clear that a relatively small insult will produce this adaptation.

so to show how fuckn important the PUMP is to bodybuilders their reference is a study of EIGHT women doing 70 vs 24 forearm reps?!

give me a fuckn break.

[tbombz]

so to show how fuckn important the PUMP is to bodybuilders their reference is a study of EIGHT women doing 70 vs 24 forearm reps?!

no, go look at the points that they use the study to prove..