Is smoking a sign of weakness?

[The Showstoppa]

Probably...In ancient cultures this was common knowledge; it was probably normal to do it and normal for females to drink the male's piss.

Millions of people drink their own piss today in India, China, and Germany.
It's something America is sleeping on. 

India, China and Germany, huh?  I think I'll pass.

[Soundness]

not some of the girls I know

How many different models did this with you?

Beauty queens use urine therapy either knowingly or unknowingly (it is in all their products), so I suspect these one's your dealing with are part of the bunch that use it knowingly. 

[Soundness]

just one actually.. but she did it a lot. and I'm not opposed to quenching the thirst of other women.

The only concern would be if you're depriving yourself of your own piss. Sure, you're doing them a huge favor, but what about yourself?

Every person should at least drink the middle 2 cups or so of their first (morning) piss of the day.

[The Showstoppa]

F the piss talk!  I was asking about smoking and weakness people, smoking and weakness...

[Soundness]

India, China and Germany, huh?  I think I'll pass.

Don't worry, not all of them do it or know about it.

Only the brightest, best-looking, most psychologically advanced and brilliant ones.  

[Soundness]

F the piss talk!  I was asking about smoking and weakness people, smoking and weakness...

OK, back on subject...

If you dip your cigarette in piss then let it dry then smoke it, that will be one of the most pleasurable experiences you could ever have. 

[The Showstoppa]

OK, back on subject...

If you dip your cigarette in piss then let it dry then smoke it, that will be one of the most pleasurable experiences you could ever have. 

Well played sir, well played...

[Soundness]

I do find it interesting that even in today's world of knowledge of smoking that so many well educated people are still willing to take the risk.  Can't fathom that they get that much out of it. "It'll never happen to me" is at the crux of everything.

Unfortunately, some people need to reach a point of desperation in order to realize the magnitude of the risk. Sometimes it takes something like cancer to make a person quit. 

Again, that's very unfortunate, but our brains are designed to learn more from experience than internalizing the advice someone else gives us. 

How do we utilize this knowledge? We seriously consider the validity of others' advice, and we think of things in terms of thier long-term and ultimate effect, as opposed its momentary effect. Think about not only yourself but others, and think about not only your momentary interests but your long-term interests. Realize that many people have had many experiences and have likely learned from them so they may have advice you can use. What they say may be valid, and may save you trouble...and yield you benefit. 

[The Showstoppa]

Unfortunately, some people need to reach a point of desperation in order to realize the magnitude of the risk. Sometimes it takes something like cancer to make a person quit. 

Again, that's very unfortunate, but our brains are designed to learn more from experience than internalizing the advice someone else gives us. 

How do we utilize this knowledge? We seriously consider the validity of others' advice, and we think of things in terms of thier long-term and ultimate effect, as opposed its momentary effect. Think about not only yourself but others, and think about not only your momentary interests but your long-term interests. Realize that many people have had many experiences and have likely learned from them so they may have advice you can use. What they say may be valid, and may save you trouble...and yield you benefit. 

True enough.  I guess what is disturbing about the elected leader of our nation continuing this is the "long term vs momentary effect."  Not a very becoming quality for someone that well educated and pragmatic...

[Soundness]

True enough.  I guess what is disturbing about the elected leader of our nation continuing this is the "long term vs momentary effect."  Not a very becoming quality for someone that well educated and pragmatic...

I would agree with that. I am surprised, actually; I think it's apparent Barack is quite intelligent, I am well aware of the strength of addiction, but I would also suspect someone of such intelligence at some point would have by now done what it takes to kick the habit. It's not hopeless, it is difficult, but it can be done. As you've suggested, it does suggest in this case he's ignorant of the long term effect and is submitting to a momentary desire. Especially with his kids, etc... you'd think he'd want to ensure he can spend as much time living with them as he possibly can. 

[Camel Jockey]

Hear this being discussed in regards to Obama.  I've always considered it one for anyone who started/continues in the last 25 years.  Before that, people didn't know the consequences as clearly.  Now I look at it like obesity.  Clear sign of a lack of willpower.

thoughts?

I smoke for pleasure here and there, but never understood the lure of being an habbitual smoker.

McCain used to smoke a pack a day for 25 years before he quit in the late 80's or so.

[Soundness]

he will be doing them an injustice by sticking around too long.
 
how is the guy going to top *pres*? all he can do now is show his kids how to backslide.

ideally for his children he will drop dead the day he leaves office.

  Brutal, james. I think Barack has good intentions, he's just formed this net of beliefs we may not agree with.

BTW, I'm not a huge Barack fan. I do think he's got an exceptional capacity for learning and storing knowledge. Of course, as with anyone, that doesn't mean what he stores and thinks he know will be true or actual...

Anyways, RON PAUL. 

[Soundness]

I think the best thing he can do for his kids is to go out as the president. end things on a high note... not in scandal with prostitutes and blow. I think he's going to party after the white house.
 
would you want to remember your daddy as the president or the guy who got busted with a dead hooker?

Are you suggesting that his failure to quit smoking suggests he submits to momentary pleasure, which suggests he is vulnerable to the temptation of prostitutes and blow?

[QuakerOats]

remember I said this - 99.9999% of all politicians are lying, cheating, blow using... prostitute fucking scumbags.

smoker or not.

agree 100%.

[Soundness]

agree 100%.

You're monitored 24 hours a day. I'll admit they could be, but believe it or not there are people out there with good intentions that become politicians and don't do that shit. Your average person would like to think so, as a reason to hate and blame them for problems, but that's a far stretch.

[The Showstoppa]

You're monitored 24 hours a day. I'll admit they could be, but believe it or not there are people out there with good intentions that become politicians and don't do that shit. Your average person would like to think so, as a reason to hate and blame them for problems, but that's a far stretch.

What is the saying "10 percent of politicians give the other 90 percent a bad name?"