Optimal Pre-Contest Cycle?

[Audioslave]

Right now I'm about 205 and in March will be dieting for a show. I'm taking 16 weeks and looking to peak out the middleweight class, so I will need to come in at 176. I want to be grainy and hard but have minimal "access" to stuff. Right now I'm on 1g of Test E and did some var for six weeks. This is my fourth cycle.

I have Test Prop, Masteron, Tren and Winny. What should I take, at what times and how much, leading into my show?

TIA

[Stavios]

I have a theory that you will look almost the same no matter what you take

but why not run all the compounds the whole time expect the masteron only for the last 4 weeks.

masteron didn't do shit for me, but it was UG so maybe it wasn't even masteron

[Arnold jr]

wk 1-14 prop 200mg/eod
wk 5-12 tren-a 75mg/eod
wk 9-15 winny 50mg/ed
wk 13-16 tren-a 75mg/ed
wk 15 prop 100mg/eod
wk 16 winny 100mg/ed

I'd probably do something like that

[tstmaniac]

wk 1-14 prop 200mg/eod
wk 5-12 tren-a 75mg/eod
wk 9-15 winny 50mg/ed
wk 13-16 tren-a 75mg/ed
wk 15 prop 100mg/eod
wk 16 winny 100mg/ed

I'd probably do something like that

AJ why not take the tren ace week 7 through 16 instead of taking a week off? just curious on why you do this..not saying your wrong or anything just wondering

[Arnold jr]

AJ why not take the tren ace week 7 through 16 instead of taking a week off? just curious on why you do this..not saying your wrong or anything just wondering

I had him taking it weeks 5-16, no break.

[tbombz]

well some thoughts

test should always be included
tren is great for leaning you out and keeping energy and agressio up while you on low calories
halotestin is great for aggression while dieting and great at blocking cortisol
anavar is great for leaning you out and hardening you up
t3 is great for speeding up fat loss
clen is great for speeding up fat loss
ECA is great for speeding up fat loss and also for cutting down appetite
aromatase inhibitors will be good to dry you out and get rid of estrgen dependant fat
diuretics will dry you out
insulin on high carb days would make you a more muscular bodybuilder on show day than if you had not used it

[tstmaniac]

I had him taking it weeks 5-16, no break.

haha sorry man i read your post wrong

[Meso_z]

wk 1-14 prop 200mg/eod
wk 5-12 tren-a 75mg/eod
wk 9-15 winny 50mg/ed
wk 13-16 tren-a 75mg/ed
wk 15 prop 100mg/eod
wk 16 winny 100mg/ed

I'd probably do something like that

damn thats a good cycle!

arnold where would you put anadrol?

[Arnold jr]

damn thats a good cycle!

arnold where would you put anadrol?

Probably at the end of the cycle so that he fills out as much as he can before the show. However, I would never recommend him or anyone to do that without knowing them and how they reacts etc.

Some guys can do really well with that, others will ruin themselves.

[Captain Equipoise]

well some thoughts

test should always be included
tren is great for leaning you out and keeping energy and agressio up while you on low calories
halotestin is great for aggression while dieting and great at blocking cortisol
anavar is great for leaning you out and hardening you up
t3 is great for speeding up fat loss
clen is great for speeding up fat loss
ECA is great for speeding up fat loss and also for cutting down appetite
aromatase inhibitors will be good to dry you out and get rid of estrgen dependant fat
diuretics will dry you out
insulin on high carb days would make you a more muscular bodybuilder on show day than if you had not used it

You retard, you show your ignorance yet again, test is ALWAYs cut out 2-4 weeks pre contest to get rid of water and bloat. Idiot. Do some reserach before you open your stupid mouth.

[tbombz]

lmao ummmm no thats incorrect dudeman its not always cut out  and it shouldnt be cut out either just switched over to prop or suspension.. the AI'S used will be eliminating the estro dependant bloat/water/fat and the short ester/absence off ester removes all the water from ester weight.. lmao..

[Arnold jr]

You retard, you show your ignorance yet again, test is ALWAYs cut out 2-4 weeks pre contest to get rid of water and bloat. Idiot. Do some reserach before you open your stupid mouth.

The earliest I ever have any of my guys cut out test is 7 days before the show. Sometimes they'll run it up to 3 days out.

[Emmortal]

The earliest I ever have any of my guys cut out test is 7 days before the show. Sometimes they'll run it up to 3 days out.

Do you have them on short or longer esters during this period?

[Arnold jr]

Do you have them on short or longer esters during this period?

Short, prop...but it can be done with E or Cyp.

[WillGrant]

The earliest I ever have any of my guys cut out test is 7 days before the show. Sometimes they'll run it up to 3 days out.

Everyones diff though. 

[Luv2Hurt]

The earliest I ever have any of my guys cut out test is 7 days before the show. Sometimes they'll run it up to 3 days out.

I agree with AJ prop up to the night before is fine.  Its really all diet at that point determining what kind of water you are holding IMO

"Capt EQ" is quite angry for some reason with the other poster he insulted. 

[WillGrant]

"Capt EQ" is quite angry for some reason with the other poster he insulted. 

Tail-her has that reaction on most people 

[Stavios]

The earliest I ever have any of my guys cut out test is 7 days before the show. Sometimes they'll run it up to 3 days out.

from my experience, cutting test never dried me out more than I already was.

my second show I didn't cut it and at the show this year I cut it 2 weeks out. there was pretty much no difference

[Arnold jr]

from my experience, cutting test never dried me out more than I already was.

my second show I didn't cut it and at the show this year I cut it 2 weeks out. there was pretty much no difference

Yeah it's the diet and water intake that affects this more then anything.

Some guys do a lot better if they keep the test in close to the show...seems to keep them fuller.

[4thAD]

I agree with AJ prop up to the night before is fine.  Its really all diet at that point determining what kind of water you are holding IMO

"Capt EQ" is quite angry for some reason with the other poster he insulted. 

Lots of members are! This is getting very common.

[Emmortal]

Lots of members are! This is getting very common.

A wise man once said "Being angry is like holding a hot coal in your hand waiting to throw it at someone".

On that note, everyone can go fuck themselves!!

[Captain Equipoise]

I agree with AJ prop up to the night before is fine.  Its really all diet at that point determining what kind of water you are holding IMO

"Capt EQ" is quite angry for some reason with the other poster he insulted. 

LOL, it's the dbol dude... having little bursts all over the place.. now I remember why I stopped using dbol 3 years ago!

[tbombz]

LOL, it's the dbol dude... having little bursts all over the place.. now I remember why I stopped using dbol 3 years ago!

oh brother...blame the dbol... your a douche.. you knwo its fuckers like you who blame bad attitude o the drugs who keep the 'roid rage' bullshit alive and keeps aas illegal... take responsibilty for you behavior you clown

[Captain Equipoise]

oh brother...blame the dbol... your a douche.. you knwo its fuckers like you who blame bad attitude o the drugs who keep the 'roid rage' bullshit alive and keeps aas illegal... take responsibilty for you behavior you clown

Hahahah STFU you're exposed as a liar and fraud, you got laughed out of the G&O, didn't your mom take your internet privileges away after you got caught ordering supplies to make and sell steroids from?
so your pathetic loser ass crawls back here under a new account. ? Fucking pathetic loser!

[tbombz]

Hahahah STFU you're exposed as a liar and fraud, you got laughed out of the G&O, didn't your mom take your internet privileges away after you got caught ordering supplies to make and sell steroids from?
so your pathetic loser ass crawls back here under a new account. ? Fucking pathetic loser!

hahah oh brother