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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2008, 07:12:31 PM »
meltdown  ;)

You prefer a blurry image from a mile away instead of a direct comparison up close showing Coleman being murdered.

And yet you can't even explain how Coleman finished behind Ray  ;)

Heath was obviously superior to Cutler this year but finished behind him, same thing.  It's called paying your dues and Coleman was an up and commer while Ray had been chomping at the bit for much longer.

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2008, 07:13:25 PM »
its funny how the nuthuggers are intent on using a 1996 Ronnie in their comparisons.. ::)

should we start comparing Ronnie to a 1990 dorian yates?

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2008, 07:13:49 PM »
Bad example Ronnie isn't finished with the pose and hasn't spread his lats out all the way.

That's how Ronnie does his back double biceps shot

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2008, 07:14:41 PM »
its funny how the nuthuggers are intent on using a 1996 Ronnie in their comparisons.. ::)

should we start comparing Ronnie to a 1990 dorian yates?

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LMFAO You made a GetBig career out of posting slanted comparisons , it's not like you'd be doing anything out of the norm

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #54 on: December 10, 2008, 07:16:40 PM »
That's Ronnie's back double biceps shot , that's how he does it

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #55 on: December 10, 2008, 07:17:37 PM »
Ha ha ha ha his back looks better in 1996 than 2001

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #56 on: December 10, 2008, 07:18:25 PM »
That's how Ronnie does his back double biceps shot

I know how he does it and anyone who's seen 2 pics of his back double bi can recognize he's not fully posed.  He always flares the teres majors out and in this pic they are still retracted.

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #57 on: December 10, 2008, 07:18:49 PM »
Sorry, this is wrong.  For one, again, Ronnie is not fully posed, it's quite clear he's not and saying he is isn't giving your argument credence, it's just showing that you're grasping for straws.  Secondly, Colemans spine is clearly much more arched pinching his lower lats and flaring his upper back more than Yates so again your comment about his lower back is invalid, especially when you look at other photos from the same contest.  There are obvious aspects of Dorian's back which are correct, such as the condition in the rhomboids being superior to Coleman, but saying "it's light years ahead" is just biased conjecture.

The bottom line is that the above pose by Coleman is the way he always hit his back double bi. Even at his near best, the 01ASC, you can see a serious lack of width and lower back development.

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #58 on: December 10, 2008, 07:20:15 PM »
Ohhh someone is getting testy lol I can read I told you before I don't hang onto your every word

nah, I'm not testy - just bored talking to a simpleton like you. And not being able to put together words you read in order to understand sentences is the definition of reading illiteracy. ;)

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and three times now I told you you're high if you think Ronnie's back is thicker . again you see what you want.

and 3 times now you have made yourself look like a fool. The pic clearly shows Ronnie's back has more thickness. Shadows in bodybuilding convey depth of the muscles, and Ronnie's back has more shadows. You cannot refute this so you keep creating strawmans.

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and I'm not illiterate.  I have a bad habit of multi-tasking and get distracted easily again I don't hang on your every word kid you got the gist of it . you're getting desperate again

silly me, of course you're not illiterate! You just have trouble reading and understanding sentences. ::)

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #59 on: December 10, 2008, 07:21:27 PM »
The bottom line is that the above pose by Coleman is the way he always hit his back double bi. Even at his near best, the 01ASC, you can see a serious lack of width and lower back development.



It is how he does his pose , they act like he he attempted the pose like Yates suddenly his back would be wider that's just not going to happen and the thickness is night & day even entertaining the width was the same or greater

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #60 on: December 10, 2008, 07:25:35 PM »
That's how Ronnie does his back double biceps shot

what drugs are you smoking?







yeah, that's how he "does his back double biceps." ::)


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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #61 on: December 10, 2008, 07:25:42 PM »
Heath was obviously superior to Cutler this year but finished behind him, same thing.  It's called paying your dues and Coleman was an up and commer while Ray had been chomping at the bit for much longer.

Paying your dues is a euphemism for politics, which you're admitting. Coleman was already dominating the keg well before Ronnie peaked.

Here the keg having his ass handed to him by Nasser.

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #62 on: December 10, 2008, 07:25:51 PM »
Heath was obviously superior to Cutler this year but finished behind him, same thing.  It's called paying your dues and Coleman was an up and commer while Ray had been chomping at the bit for much longer.

Jay has much more muscularity and muscle maturity than Health. I believe he was actually in 3rd or 4th going into the finals and then tightened up on Saturday. If I recall correctly, Ronnie lost the entire prejudging in 2001 and then somehow came back to win, even with an illegal posing routine. Remember, the same judges judging Coleman judged Yates. The fact that Shawn's placings were never questioned leads me to believe even more that the hatred towards Dorian is because of his background or racism. People also love to hate the guy that works the hardest and takes all the marbles. The above picture clearly shows how small Shawn was and even though he had great condition, he had no size. The best BBs are the ones with the combo of condition and size.
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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #63 on: December 10, 2008, 07:26:06 PM »
nah, I'm not testy - just bored talking to a simpleton like you. And not being able to put together words you read in order to understand sentences is the definition of reading illiteracy. ;)

and 3 times now you have made yourself look like a fool. The pic clearly shows Ronnie's back has more thickness. Shadows in bodybuilding convey depth of the muscles, and Ronnie's back has more shadows. You cannot refute this so you keep creating strawmans.

silly me, of course you're not illiterate! You just have trouble reading and understanding sentences. ::)

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nah, I'm not testy - just bored talking to a simpleton like you. And not being able to put together words you read in order to understand sentences is the definition of reading illiteracy. ;)

no you get testy after I own you , you get all emo and start name calling and personal attacks I've noticed that about you and you got the gist of it you're just looking for angle

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and 3 times now you have made yourself look like a fool. The pic clearly shows Ronnie's back has more thickness. Shadows in bodybuilding convey depth of the muscles, and Ronnie's back has more shadows. You cannot refute this so you keep creating strawmans.

my ass strawman  ::) yeah because the size of Dorian's traps in direct comparison to Ronnie's isn't really that big ha ha ha the thickness & size of his lats same thing , Ronnie's back has more shadows so it's thicker ???? why do you type? why do you commit to such lunacy? seriously? forgot the physical size of the back muscles that means nothing in determining thickness it's just the shadows lol more classic Neo-babble you forgot different angles as well nice try through

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silly me, of course you're not illiterate! You just have trouble reading and understanding sentences. ::)

wrong again , I've always scored exceptionally high on comprehension tests  ;)


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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #64 on: December 10, 2008, 07:26:57 PM »
Jay has much more muscularity and muscle maturity than Health. I believe he was actually in 3rd or 4th going into the finals and then tightened up on Saturday. If I recall correctly, Ronnie lost the entire prejudging in 2001 and then somehow came back to win, even with an illegal posing routine. Remember, the same judges judging Coleman judged Yates. The fact that Shawn's placings were never questioned leads me to believe even more that the hatred towards Dorian is because of his background or racism. People also love to hate the guy that works the hardest and takes all the marbles. The above picture clearly shows how small Shawn was and even though he had great condition, he had no size. The best BBs are the ones with the combo of condition and size.

Meltdown LOL he doesn't want to admit politics aka "paying your dues" haha

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2008, 07:27:47 PM »
I know how he does it and anyone who's seen 2 pics of his back double bi can recognize he's not fully posed.  He always flares the teres majors out and in this pic they are still retracted.

Details details! haahaha

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #66 on: December 10, 2008, 07:30:08 PM »
what drugs are you smoking?


yeah, that's how he "does his back double biceps." ::)


with the exception of the 2003 all the other pics are the same shot for Ronnie , he never improved his posing old news

his back in 1996 wasn't thicker and it wouldn't be getting wider even if he tried to pose like Dorian

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #67 on: December 10, 2008, 07:31:00 PM »
Meltdown LOL he doesn't want to admit politics aka "paying your dues" haha

Explain 2001 bitch...Ronnie lost the entire prejudging aka the entire show ;)

Try real hard little man, I look forward to your response hahahah

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2008, 07:32:03 PM »
Explain 2001 bitch...Ronnie lost the entire prejudging aka the entire show ;)

Try real hard little man, I look forward to your response hahahah



No the only politics was when Dorian competed all of Ronnie's wins were deserved and the judging someone became accurate lol epic hypocrisy

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #69 on: December 10, 2008, 07:33:23 PM »
what drugs are you smoking?







yeah, that's how he "does his back double biceps." ::)


Do a Tony Freeman comparison on the 2nd pic.

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #70 on: December 10, 2008, 07:33:52 PM »
Jay has much more muscularity and muscle maturity than Health. I believe he was actually in 3rd or 4th going into the finals and then tightened up on Saturday.

Last time I checked "muscle maturity" wasn't a judging criteria.  Muscularity is irrelevant if your lines are destroyed and your condition is shit.  Heath bested Cutler in every area minus overall size which should have put him ahead of Cutler in anyones books.  The fact is no judge is going to put a first timer ahead of a reigning champion.  That's the only reason why he placed behind Cutler.

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #71 on: December 10, 2008, 07:36:56 PM »
Just look at Colemans lower traps, they are PINCHED together and his scapula's are retracted clearly showing he's not in the pose yet.

I don't see how anyone can even argue this point, it's so fucking obvious it's not even funny.  And I'm a fan of both of those guys, as I've stated numerous times before, but it's not even an argument.

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #72 on: December 10, 2008, 07:44:00 PM »
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I don't see how anyone can even argue this point, it's so fucking obvious it's not even funny.

you realize you are arguing with ND and Co, people who  are maintaining that a pic of dorian yates with Tom Platz's quads and brian buchanan's waistline is real...just to suit their agenda... ::)
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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #73 on: December 10, 2008, 07:45:01 PM »
Sorry, this is wrong.  For one, again, Ronnie is not fully posed, it's quite clear he's not and saying he is isn't giving your argument credence, it's just showing that you're grasping for straws.  Secondly, Colemans spine is clearly much more arched pinching his lower lats and flaring his upper back more than Yates so again your comment about his lower back is invalid, especially when you look at other photos from the same contest.  There are obvious aspects of Dorian's back which are correct, such as the condition in the rhomboids being superior to Coleman, but saying "it's light years ahead" is just biased conjecture.

you just lost all credibility when you said "condition in the rhomboids being superior to Coleman"

it was a good attempt though.

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Re: The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.
« Reply #74 on: December 10, 2008, 07:48:39 PM »
you just lost all credibility when you said "condition in the rhomboids being superior to Coleman"

it was a good attempt though.

Epic trapezius failure.