The final chapter to the Ronnie Vs Dorian saga.

[England_1]

Last time I checked "muscle maturity" wasn't a judging criteria.  Muscularity is irrelevant if your lines are destroyed and your condition is shit.  Heath bested Cutler in every area minus overall size which should have put him ahead of Cutler in anyones books.  The fact is no judge is going to put a first timer ahead of a reigning champion.  That's the only reason why he placed behind Cutler.

If you can't see the difference in density and thickness here you must be blind. Mr. Olympia Dexter Jackson is actually not fairing well in this comparison at all.

[NeoSeminole]

you just lost all credibility when you said "condition in the rhomboids being superior to Coleman"

it was a good attempt though.

do you work in the medical field?

[NeoSeminole]

Do a Tony Freeman comparison on the 2nd pic.

sorry, bro. I don't have any pics of Tony Freeman.

[pumpster]

Just look at Colemans lower traps, they are PINCHED together and his scapula's are retracted clearly showing he's not in the pose yet.

I don't see how anyone can even argue this point, it's so fucking obvious it's not even funny.  And I'm a fan of both of those guys, as I've stated numerous times before, but it's not even an argument.

The beauty of mental retardation is that the nonsensical actually makes sense to ND. He's been desperately resorting to that pic for ages in effectual rebutals to shots like this. Coleman's lat superiority is evident.

[pumpster]

No the only politics was when Dorian competed all of Ronnie's wins were deserved and the judging someone became accurate lol epic hypocrisy

This moron can't even admit to rampant politics, because it's too closely allied to some of his hero's "wins" hahahaa

[Necrosis]

do you work in the medical field?

student.

i was just screwing around with him.

[NeoSeminole]

student.

i was just screwing around with him.

ah, I see. You were technically correct since the rhomboids are deep to the trapezius muscles. I was pre-med in college. I'm starting physician assistant school next year.

[Mr.1derful]

ah, I see. You were technically correct since the rhomboids are deep to the trapezius muscles. I was pre-med in college. I'm starting physician assistant school next year.

Oh yes, that's why according to you, everyone in the industry should discontinue using terminology as to where the lats "insert" in favor of lat "origins".  LMFAO

[NeoSeminole]

Oh yes, that's why according to you, everyone in the industry should discontinue using the term "lat insertions", in favor of "lat origins". LMFAO

explain how mocking your own ignorance is funny.

[Necrosis]

ah, I see. You were technically correct since the rhomboids are deep to the trapezius muscles. I was pre-med in college. I'm starting physician assistant school next year.

im in year two of my medical degree, i hope to do both MD and ND and run a multi-disciplinary clinic, its more interactive and exciting from my experience.

The rhomboids are not visible, i was just busting his balls. I see alot of people make that mistake, for some reason rhomboids is a favorite muscle group in bodybuilding circles. Second only to the infamous rotatores

[Mr.1derful]

explain how mocking your own ignorance is funny.

No, it's funny when someone such as yourself ridicules the usage of a term that is standard throughout the industry and routinely used by the most prominent bodybuilding scribes, so as to try make yourself appear intellectual.  And failing miserably I might add.  lol But like I said before Neo, if you want to refer to them as lat "originations", or whatever, knock yourself out.  I'm sure there has to be at least one person out there that will be impressed.  Hey, maybe Huckster will be impressed.  It doesn't seem to take much to impress him. LMFAO

[Necrosis]

No, it's funny when someone such as yourself ridicules the usage of a term that is standard throughout the industry and routinely used by the most prominent bodybuilding scribes, so as to try make yourself appear intellectual.  And failing miserably I might add.  lol But like I said before Neo, if you want to refer to them as lat "originations", or whatever, knock yourself out.  I'm sure there has to be at least one person out there that will be impressed.  Hey, maybe Huckster will be impressed.  It doesn't seem to take much to impress him. LMFAO

being stupid isn't fun, read a book.

[NeoSeminole]

No, it's funny when someone such as yourself ridicules the usage of a term that is standard throughout the industry and routinely used by the most prominent bodybuilding scribes, so as to try make yourself appear intellectual.  And failing miserably I might add.  lol But like I said before Neo, if you want to refer to them as lat "originations", or whatever, knock yourself out.  I'm sure there has to be at least one person out there that will be impressed.  Hey, maybe Huckster will be impressed.  It doesn't seem to take much to impress him. LMFAO

first, provide examples of all these prominent bodybuilding scribes you speak of. Show me quotes along with the sources of where they used the term "lat insertions." Second, I could care less if the improper usage of the term is standard throughout the bodybuilding industry. That still doesn't make it right, and trying to justify ignorance with strength in numbers only makes you look more foolish. Third, I don't refer to them as "lat origins." I say a person's lats "attach low," which is the usage I've frequently seen.

[Mr.1derful]

Third, I don't refer to them as "lat origins." I say a person's lats "attach low," which is the usage I've frequently seen.

By the way, you meant to say his lats originate - not insert- lower. For someone who tries to come across as intelligent, you should at least educate yourself about anatomy terminology before judging physiques.

You illustrated that you can't intelligently debate the issue at hand, so you made a feeble attempt at trying to appear intellectual by splitting hairs with accepted bodybuilding terminology.  And if you'll refer to the above quote, you were the one who arrogantly proclaimed that I should use the term "originate".  Don't back peddle Neo, you're owned again..  . You can use whatever terminology you wish Neo, but efforts on your part to convince anyone that you posses even a shred intellect, would be vastly contradicted by 99% of your posts. Why don't you marvel us with your intellect and show us a quote where there is a even a solitary reference to lat "origins" with regard to bodybuilding, if my terminology is so off base.  You're the one ridiculing my initial statement of where the lats "insert",  prove me wrong. Show me where any bodybuilding report has indicated where the lats "originate". You've got nothing as always. Your most recent contributions have been your repeated solicitations for other males to perform sex acts on you.  How that somehow elevates the whole Ronnie vs Dorian debate, well, I guess only you can reconcile that. 

[NeoSeminole]

You illustrated that you can't intelligently debate the issue at hand, so you made a feeble attempt at trying to appear intellectual by splitting hairs with accepted terminology.  And if you'll refer to the above quote, you were the one who arrogantly proclaimed that I should use the term "originate".  You can use whatever terminology you wish Neo, but efforts on your part to convince anyone that you posses even a shred intellect, would be vastly contradicted by 99% of your posts. Your most recent contributions being your repeated solicitations for other males to perform sex acts on you.  How that somehow elevates the whole Ronnie vs Dorian debate, well, I guess only you can reconcile that.

so you admit that you can't back up your claim about prominent bodybuilding scribes using the term "lat insertions?" You also concede the usage you defend is wrong? Gotcha. To answer your post, I have demonstrated numerous times I can intelligently debate. I tend to take a less serious tone when I post in the gossip section. Check the religious board for better examples. As for splitting hairs, it may seem that way to ignorant fools but the difference between muscle origin and insertion is common knowledge to anyone who has studied anatomy.

[Mr.1derful]

Message by Shawn Perine Senior Writer Flex Magazine  - Ironage.us   
Rumor is that he has a myostatin disorder. If this is true then he doesn't need steroids. I've seen him in person and I would tend to believe the rumors, although a muscle biopsy or chemical analysis of his blood would be definitive. He's got some strange proportions and unbelievable insertions.


Ask Mr. O: Build Your Back - Flex online
Written by: Ronnie Coleman (Neo's Hero), six-time Mr. Olympia

ONE-ARM DUMBBELL ROWS
If you keep your body stationary for these, so that your upper body doesn't roll from one side to the other, you can isolate any increment along your outer lat and thicken it; by bringing the dumbbell as high as you can, you also bring out detail at the inner insertions.

Chad Nicholls 2002 Olympia Report (on Dexter Jackson) : "his lats are a little high which makes for a longer torso, but his muscle insertions tie in so well and look so good

Re: 3 Best Backs in the HISTORY OF THE SPORT by NarcissisticDeity
...  would never be as big as Dorians , his lats would never insert as low as Dorians ,  ...
...  the have the same length torsos lol and lats and calves

Dorian is just 7 pounds  ...

Re: 1993 - best ever! by suckmymuscle
... , creating better proportions. Dorian's lats also insert lower.


Re: What MemberX used to be by MemberX
...  on November 21, 2008, 05:33:02 PM

Lats are wider and insert lower at middle of  ...

Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce  by Bear
...  arms, greater shoulder width and wider lats that insert lower.

Re: Robert Piotrkowicz's first pro debut --New Zealand Elite Pro  by RZA
...  but covers it up pretty good as his lats seem to insert low and they're wide.  ...

Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ?? by Hulkster
...  bones and the point where the muscles insert in the tendom don't change as you get  ...

Re: need to work biceps after heavy back workout ? by SamoanIrishman
...
you should tryyour best to isolate your lats during backday exercises. i am to the  ...
...  arms as just a link between where your lats insert under your shoulder/top of the  ...

Re: King Kamali This is as good as it gets !! by NotMrAverage
...  how low his lats insert in that first pic, that seems to  ...

Re: It's Between Henry & LEE. Henry is more ripped! Henry is your True Ironman C by rocket
...  lower back, i think it's that he his lats have high insertions.

His lats insert  ...

Re: DJ 2.5 weeks out by Overload
...  exercises to make it appear that his lats insert lower and he needs to burn  ...


Re: Lewis Yates by Shockwave
...  traps ! and x-mass tree

Yep, and the lats insert near his waist. Same chest  ...

Re: Dennis Wolf by donrhummy
...  O. Secondly he has dookie arms and high lats that DO insert high.

Re: RONNIE BEATS ME, quote from Dorian Yates by Double XL™
...
again..the shape of the dorian back...lats insert MUCH lower..personally i like  ...


Re: Dorian Pic from 92 by LuciusFox
...  the traps , and detail , look at Yates' lats they insert at his waist and he has the  ...

Re: I`ll take on Arvilla, Alexxx and Goudy for the first Getbig physique Cont by shiftedShapes
...  mindspin you shouldn't make fun of his lats. They insert high and until genetic  ...

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=231056.0

Nope, nobody refers to where the lats "insert".   I must have just made it up. lol Pretty hard to ridicule someone for the use of a term common in bodybuilding circles, on a bodybuilding board no less.  But you did try, and fail. You acted as though nobody used the term.  Oh, I know, unless Ben Weider used it, it doesn't count, right?  Funny, I have yet to see a bodybuilding quote in reference to someone's lat "origins". lol  Poor Neo, he tries so very hard to come across as bright, but all to no avail.  Neo=Owned.

[NeoSeminole]

Yup, nobody refers to where the lats "insert". I must have just made it up. lol Neo=Owned

I asked you to provide examples of these bodybuilding scribes you speak of and you quote me Getbig posters? Yeah, you "owned" me alright.

[Sam]

I have it on good authority that Dorian and Ronnie are one and the same person

[Necrosis]

Re: 3 Best Backs in the HISTORY OF THE SPORT by NarcissisticDeity
...  would never be as big as Dorians , his lats would never insert as low as Dorians ,  ...
...  the have the same length torsos lol and lats and calves

Dorian is just 7 pounds  ...

Re: 1993 - best ever! by suckmymuscle
... , creating better proportions. Dorian's lats also insert lower.


Re: What MemberX used to be by MemberX
...  on November 21, 2008, 05:33:02 PM

Lats are wider and insert lower at middle of  ...

Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce  by Bear
...  arms, greater shoulder width and wider lats that insert lower.

Re: Robert Piotrkowicz's first pro debut --New Zealand Elite Pro  by RZA
...  but covers it up pretty good as his lats seem to insert low and they're wide.  ...

Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ?? by Hulkster
...  bones and the point where the muscles insert in the tendom don't change as you get  ...

Re: need to work biceps after heavy back workout ? by SamoanIrishman
...
you should tryyour best to isolate your lats during backday exercises. i am to the  ...
...  arms as just a link between where your lats insert under your shoulder/top of the  ...

Re: King Kamali This is as good as it gets !! by NotMrAverage
...  how low his lats insert in that first pic, that seems to  ...

Re: It's Between Henry & LEE. Henry is more ripped! Henry is your True Ironman C by rocket
...  lower back, i think it's that he his lats have high insertions.

His lats insert  ...

Re: DJ 2.5 weeks out by Overload
...  exercises to make it appear that his lats insert lower and he needs to burn  ...


Re: Lewis Yates by Shockwave
...  traps ! and x-mass tree

Yep, and the lats insert near his waist. Same chest  ...

Re: Dennis Wolf by donrhummy
...  O. Secondly he has dookie arms and high lats that DO insert high.

Re: RONNIE BEATS ME, quote from Dorian Yates by Double XL™
...
again..the shape of the dorian back...lats insert MUCH lower..personally i like  ...


Re: Dorian Pic from 92 by LuciusFox
...  the traps , and detail , look at Yates' lats they insert at his waist and he has the  ...

Re: I`ll take on Arvilla, Alexxx and Goudy for the first Getbig physique Cont by shiftedShapes
...  mindspin you shouldn't make fun of his lats. They insert high and until genetic  ...

Chad Nicholls 2002 Olympia Report (on Dexter Jackson) : "his lats are a little high which makes for a longer torso, but his muscle insertions tie in so well and look so good



http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=231056.0

Yup, nobody refers to where the lats "insert".   I must have just made it up. lol Neo=Owned

why are you defending the patently false position. They are all wrong and all ignorant apparently. However, it is just a matter of education in anatomy, no big deal. I just can't figure out why you are so passionate about proving you are willingly ignorant.

unless you just hate neo.

[mesmorph78]

i like dorian but he is nowhere close to coleman...
i really dont understand how anyone could put dorian anywhere close to ronnie i mean look at the pics

[jaejonna]

i like dorian but he is nowhere close to coleman...
i really dont understand how anyone could put dorian anywhere close to ronnie i mean look at the pics

dorian was white...

[mesmorph78]

....
like i always say have a best bodypart cartegory dorin could be only mentioned in one back
coleman can be mentioned in arms delts back legs chest....
he just has waaay more knock out bodyparst than dorian superior genes by a country mile better muscle shape vascularity
... its not even debatable...

[Alex23]

dorian was white...

What are you saying?

[Hulkster]

i like dorian but he is nowhere close to coleman...
i really dont understand how anyone could put dorian anywhere close to ronnie i mean look at the pics

you have to remember: the dorian nuthuggers not only try and discredit all the pics, they don't understand the sport or how its judged either..

[Hulkster]

....
like i always say have a best bodypart cartegory dorin could be only mentioned in one back
coleman can be mentioned in arms delts back legs chest....
he just has waaay more knock out bodyparst than dorian superior genes by a country mile better muscle shape vascularity
... its not even debatable...

very true.

I mean, you take the best dorian ever had to offer (the 93 pre tear black and white shots) and ronnie STILL crushes them: