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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #75 on: December 11, 2008, 07:31:10 PM »
You don't understand anatomy and don't lift either. Coleman's tris are about twice the size, Yates' were more cut.

Here's a good pic of the keg's smallish but cut tris when not pressed against his side.



ths shot is from mr. o. 97 where he ws at his worse shape.. so it's not a good example here..

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #76 on: December 11, 2008, 07:39:22 PM »
ths shot is from mr. o. 97 where he ws at his worse shape.. so it's not a good example here..

Perfect scores there baby. ;)

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #77 on: December 11, 2008, 07:40:12 PM »

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #78 on: December 11, 2008, 07:41:51 PM »
pecial Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?

Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.


Read carefully. He was being diplomatic in ways ND cannot. He's not saying Yates was equal, he's saying he would've "won", just as this got "perfect scores" LOL

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #79 on: December 11, 2008, 09:03:45 PM »
Ya, he was a MONSTER. :o

paul looks at his best here..

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2008, 12:26:18 AM »
nd
ronnie also said.... on his unbelievable dvd

and i quote
"masterpiece... the best bbq sauce ..they making today"
....
that doesnt mean its the best...
u keep throwing around all these magazine quotes....
and ive asked you one question and you cant answer it.. 2 questions actually

1. have you ever seen dorian yates mentioned in a greatest asrm article or on a greatest arm list in a magazine
2.why do you think he has never been on any of them ..yet ronnie is one.. every single one?

please answer this
choice is an illusion

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #81 on: December 12, 2008, 01:08:24 AM »
Most pro bodybuilders have terrible "physiques".

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #82 on: December 12, 2008, 08:56:49 AM »
Please don't presume to speak for Ronnie  ;) if that were the case then Ronnie's quote would have looked something like this  ;)

THOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:

It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system


That's Ronnie talking about the politics , when he talks about Dorian he's talking FEAR  ;)

According to Huckster, Dumpster and the rest of the seven dwarfs, politics have only worked against Ronnie and in favor of someone such as Yates.  lol According to them, Dorian was also the third shooter.

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #83 on: December 12, 2008, 09:06:05 AM »
Ronnie looks great there. Which Off-Season Guestposing was that? :)

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #84 on: December 12, 2008, 09:08:35 AM »
According to Huckster, Dumpster and the rest of the seven dwarfs, politics have only worked against Ronnie and in favor of someone such as Yates.  lol According to them, Dorian was also the third shooter.

Major ND ball-worship from one of his dogs lol

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #85 on: December 12, 2008, 09:10:16 AM »
Ronnie looks great there. Which Off-Season Guestposing was that? :)

the same one where his shoulders look to be bigger than a person known as having the best delts of all time?

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #86 on: December 12, 2008, 09:16:43 AM »
Major ND ball-worship from one of his dogs lol

Yawn.  More ad hominem attacks from a simpleton.

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #87 on: December 12, 2008, 10:04:15 AM »
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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #88 on: December 12, 2008, 10:06:17 AM »
Yawn.  More ad hominem attacks from a simpleton.

Major plagiarism. Ad hominem from your father-figure, simpleton from moi hahaha try again kid. ;)

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #89 on: December 12, 2008, 10:20:32 AM »
Major plagiarism. Ad hominem from your father-figure, simpleton from moi hahaha try again kid. ;)

Interesting that you would choose to debate the origins of my choice of wording, but not the validity of their having been applied to you.   ;)

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #90 on: December 12, 2008, 01:04:03 PM »

1. have you ever seen dorian yates mentioned in a greatest asrm article or on a greatest arm list in a magazine
2.why do you think he has never been on any of them ..yet ronnie is one.. every single one?
please answer this

Nd .. suckmymuscle and england...
can you answer this please
choice is an illusion

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #91 on: December 12, 2008, 01:09:09 PM »
who cares if he had better arms?
Paul Dillet never beat Dorian did he?  ::)
it's about presenting the most complete package and I have to admit he delivered.

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #92 on: December 12, 2008, 01:12:53 PM »
1. have you ever seen dorian yates mentioned in a greatest asrm article or on a greatest arm list in a magazine
2.why do you think he has never been on any of them ..yet ronnie is one.. every single one?
please answer this

Nd .. suckmymuscle and england...
can you answer this please

yeah greatest forearms  ;) but according to you they must not be part of the arms

Peter McGough Ironage Oct 13 , 2007

Who had the best forearms you ever seen : Best forearms I have seen with my own peepers. not in order: Kaz, Dorian Yates, Gunnar Rosbo, Lee Priest, Phil Heath, Armin Shultz, Flex Lewis.


why is Ronnie not on this list? and you're missing the point having the best biceps/triceps doesn't make the best pose , judges look for forearms in every pose just as they do calves if they had a best arms contest Ronnie would surely beat Dorian is they had the best side triceps shot Dorian leaves Ronnie for dead


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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #93 on: December 12, 2008, 01:39:29 PM »
nd....
i know it hurts but some body parts carry greater weight than others.. no one gives a shit about forearms... or calves in comparison....
to the upper arm and legs you walk down the road and i walk down the road i have 20 inch ripped guns you have 16 inc guns with big forarms i will still get more looks....
in face huge forearms on a small arm make the arms look smaller
at the end of the day the GREATEST ARM LIST WHICH IS THE ARM IN ENTIRETY
has Coleman on there most time at no one.. Dorian never made the greatest arm list ever....
so we can conclude that Coleman made the greatest arm list which the whole arm in total and Dorian never made it
because no matter how you dissect it and spin it Coleman's arms made Dorian's looks like toothpicks...
in fact the whole top 10 of the 90's during Dorian reign OWNED him on arms..... badly
the words Dorian... great... arms should not be used in the same sentence...
the factthat you would even compare Dorian's sub par arms to Coleman's... bewilders me...
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no one else in the entire bb industry has ever coined the sentence Dorian had great arms..
yet here you are saying they are better than arguably the two greatest arms ever...
cmon man....
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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #94 on: December 12, 2008, 01:48:04 PM »
man, 1500 pages of peak dorian vs peak coleman still has some ground to fight... but dorian having better ARMS than coleman???....... ???

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #95 on: December 12, 2008, 01:49:20 PM »
nd....
i know it hurts but some body parts carry greater weight than others.. no one gives a shit about forearms... or calves in comparison....
to the upper arm and legs you walk down the road and i walk down the road i have 20 inch ripped guns you have 16 inc guns with big forarms i will still get more looks....
in face huge forearms on a small arm make the arms look smaller
at the end of the day the GREATEST ARM LIST WHICH IS THE ARM IN ENTIRETY
has Coleman on there most time at no one.. Dorian never made the greatest arm list ever....
so we can conclude that Coleman made the greatest arm list which the whole arm in total and Dorian never made it
because no matter how you dissect it and spin it Coleman's arms made Dorian's looks like toothpicks...
in fact the whole top 10 of the 90's during Dorian reign OWNED him on arms..... badly
the words Dorian... great... arms should not be used in the same sentence...
the factthat you would even compare Dorian's sub par arms to Coleman's... bewilders me...
 :-\ :-\
no one else in the entire bb industry has ever coined the sentence Dorian had great arms..
yet here you are saying they are better than arguably the two greatest arms ever...
cmon man....

You're again missing the whole point . Ronnie's biceps are clearly better , his triceps are clearly BIGGER his forearms aren't who cares? what does his better arms do for his side triceps shot? NOTHING

and I hate to correct you but you may not care about calves or forearms JUDGES DO it's in the criteria for assessing physiques


When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a
routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of
the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the
compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary
muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the
whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part
of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general
impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced
development, muscular density and definition. The downward
survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the
arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in,
abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves and feet. The same
procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower
trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus
group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and
feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should
be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge
to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still
bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development.
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.


6. Side Triceps (see Figure 6)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose so as
to show the “better” arm. He will stand with his left or
right side towards the judges and will place both arms
behind his back, either linking his fingers or grasping the
front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The leg nearest
the judges will be bent at the knee and the foot will rest
flat on the floor. The competitor will exert pressure
against his front arm, thereby causing the triceps muscle
to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the
abdominal muscles as well as the thigh and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the triceps muscles, and
conclude with the head-to-foot examination. In this pose,
the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles.
in profile, which will help in grading their comparative
development more accurately.




Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance

Calves and Forearms MATTER in contests the whole package is what matters and calves & forearms help tremendously with overall balance & proportion


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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #96 on: December 12, 2008, 01:51:18 PM »
man, 1500 pages of peak dorian vs peak coleman still has some ground to fight... but dorian having better ARMS than coleman???....... ???

Better forearms absolutely , triceps sure NOT bigger mind you but better in terms of side head shape and separation

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #97 on: December 12, 2008, 01:54:47 PM »
all thats sounds great nd...
but the same experts you quote from magazines.. have never mentioned dorian in any capacity when it comes to arms yet coleman is always no 1 or 2
are you saying these guys quote quote so feverishly dont know what their talking about....
he didnt make the list because his arms are sub par colemans always make the list because he the greatest arms of all time.. period...
you can argue as musch as you like but you cant deny the facts

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #98 on: December 12, 2008, 01:55:20 PM »
Better forearms absolutely , triceps sure NOT bigger mind you but better in terms of side head shape and separation

dorian's arms looks better in the side tricep pose.... thats about it. His forearms are better, but arms as a whole....well...

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Re: Dorian had better arms than coleman
« Reply #99 on: December 12, 2008, 01:56:51 PM »
ND, are you saying that Ronnie was missing the muscles at the end of his limbs?  ;D
no calves or forearms LOL