Competition today is not 1/4 as fierce as back in 1993

[ASJChaotic]

guys who place 1st and 2nd in the olympia today would not have even placed 7th or 8th back in the day.
why has bodybuilding become so shallow?

sure guys (in general) are bigger, but you don't see that same conditioning and shape anymore, they come in soft and out of shape,
it's like no body is putting any effort into it anymore.

I have to admit, Dorian Yates 1993 would CRUSH the competition today
he crushed everybody in 1993, and 1995, today, it's no contest.
any guy who was top 6 in the 1993 or 1995 olympia back in the day would have won Mr. Olympia 2008 hands down

As much as I hate how Dorian's physique looked, or whatever, I have to admit, he RULED over the competition back in the day,
tough competition, and he deserves respect for that.

[ASJChaotic]

lol I found this to be pretty funny

[bodybuilder1234]

good post

Dorian is the blue collar worker and has always been respected in this industry.
Ronnie works hard but you cant take the guy seriously

[sculpture]

lol I found this to be pretty funny

yeah i found it pretty funny that flex has bigger arms than dorian

[ASJChaotic]

yeah i found it pretty funny that flex has bigger arms than dorian

that's cool and all 
but I found it funny how in 1993 when Flex placed second he raised Dorian's hand and said Dorian is unbeatable
and in 1999 he turned his back on Ronnie and said he was number one to the audience.


not only that but all of Dorian's competitors never complained, Ronnie's competitors did.
Kevin Levrone never complained about Dorian beating him but he did when Ronnie did.

[divcom]

that's cool and all 
but I found it funny how in 1993 when Flex placed second he raised Dorian's hand and said Dorian is unbeatable
and in 1999 he turned his back on Ronnie and said he was number one to the audience.


not only that but all of Dorian's competitors never complained, Ronnie's competitors did.
Kevin Levrone never complained about Dorian beating him but he did when Ronnie did.

in 93 flex would have raised ronnie hand. by 98-99 his ego flex had left kenny in the dust.  yates would have gotten the same treatment as ronnie.  call it correctly or dont at all.

[Danimal77]

in 93 flex would have raised ronnie hand. by 98-99 his ego flex had left kenny in the dust.  yates would have gotten the same treatment as ronnie.  call it correctly or dont at all.

I don't know about that. Dorian was VERY well respect by his peers for many years. Ronnie can't string two words together. I don't think Flex would have had the balls to turn his back on Dorian. That's my 2 cents.

[bodybuilder1234]

in 93 flex would have raised ronnie hand. by 98-99 his ego flex had left kenny in the dust.  yates would have gotten the same treatment as ronnie.  call it correctly or dont at all.

Actually, Flex thought he beat Ronnie in 99 even after the contest was finished and had time to reflect.
In 1993 Flex acknowledged that Dorian was way far ahead of him and even thought Yates was on some super drug to make him look so good.

[mogulgangi]

very true post....for some reason, everything in the world has taken shape into not so much actual skill now, but some sort of confused ideology...football, basketball, ect....mike francoism tom prince,flex ect....that level  of competition is not found in the npc level anymroe.....or in the pros....

FUKIN WEIRD!!!!!!!!!!1

[Bluto]

yates was indeed the man.. but I guess he trained a little too hardcore for his body.

The hardest.

[ASJChaotic]

in 93 flex would have raised ronnie hand. by 98-99 his ego flex had left kenny in the dust.  yates would have gotten the same treatment as ronnie.  call it correctly or dont at all.

Just look at how respected Yates was among other bodybuilders back in the day
all of them thought he was unbeatable! 

I just noticed that every year Ronnie won, there was controversy involved wether he should have or not
with Dorian it was solid, no contest.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Just look at how respected Yates was among other bodybuilders back in the day
all of them thought he was unbeatable! 

I just noticed that every year Ronnie won, there was controversy involved wether he should have or not
with Dorian it was solid, no contest.

Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique.

Jon Hotten Muscle :
[Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.

[ASJChaotic]

Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique.

Jon Hotten Muscle :
[Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.

That's what I'm saying, in 99 I give it to Flex, 2000 to Kevin, 2001 to Jay, 2002 to Kevin, 2004 to Jay
the rest is debateable also.

Coleman didn't deserve many of the Olympias he did win.
In 2002 he looked 11 months pregnant, it was ridiculous that he beat Kevin, it was complete bullshit!

[Mr.1derful]

guys who place 1st and 2nd in the olympia today would not have even placed 7th or 8th back in the day.
why has bodybuilding become so shallow?

sure guys (in general) are bigger, but you don't see that same conditioning and shape anymore, they come in soft and out of shape,
it's like no body is putting any effort into it anymore.

I have to admit, Dorian Yates 1993 would CRUSH the competition today
he crushed everybody in 1993, and 1995, today, it's no contest.
any guy who was top 6 in the 1993 or 1995 Olympia back in the day would have won Mr. Olympia 2008 hands down

As much as I hate how Dorian's physique looked, or whatever, I have to admit, he RULED over the competition back in the day,
tough competition, and he deserves respect for that.

Very valid points.  When I look back through various contest reports from the early to mid nineties, it is amazing how much better conditioned the guys were overall.  Since then, the emphasis has gone away from conditioning in favor of shear size.  People rave about Dexter's conditioning, and while it is very good, he would not stand out against the competitors of yesteryear.  

[NarcissisticDeity]

That's what I'm saying, in 99 I give it to Flex, 2000 to Kevin, 2001 to Jay, 2002 to Kevin, 2004 to Jay
the rest is debateable also.

Coleman didn't deserve many of the Olympias he did win.
In 2002 he looked 11 months pregnant, it was ridiculous that he beat Kevin, it was complete bullshit!

Kevin

The plain truth is that I beat Ronnie last year [2000] and Jay Cutler beat Ronnie this year. You should not win the Mr. Olympia if your stomach is hanging out -- period. Last year, I patted Ronnie's stomach during the posedown to draw attention to the fact that he was bloated. That tactic obviously didn't work, and Ronnie beat me in the posedown to successfully defend his title for a third straight Mr. O triumph.


So now the show rolls around and Jay Cutler beats Ronnie in both prejudging rounds: symmetry and muscularity. Ronnie was spilling over with too much water during the muscularity round, and Cutler took it to him in many of the poses that Coleman usually dominates.

How can Cutler lose this contest if he wins in both symmetry and muscularity? How can Ronnie retain his title if his midsection is bloated and distended? Why should the fans get behind a champion who can't present an aesthetic image of what bodybuilding is supposed to be all about?

I'm talking about classical proportions, perfect symmetry and ideal conditioning. Based on that ideal, I should have won the Sandow in 2000, and Cutler should have taken it in 2001.

The fans deserve better than what they are getting. I'm already working hard to ensure that, in 2002, a true peoples' champ can strip the title away from Ronnie Coleman.

[jaejonna]

That's what I'm saying, in 99 I give it to Flex, 2000 to Kevin, 2001 to Jay, 2002 to Kevin, 2004 to Jay
the rest is debateable also.

Coleman didn't deserve many of the Olympias he did win.
In 2002 he looked 11 months pregnant, it was ridiculous that he beat Kevin, it was complete bullshit!

hahaha you need your vision checked, Coleman blew away everyone at 99 with Cormier being screwed for not getting 2nd ...

[ASJChaotic]

Kevin

The plain truth is that I beat Ronnie last year [2000] and Jay Cutler beat Ronnie this year. You should not win the Mr. Olympia if your stomach is hanging out -- period. Last year, I patted Ronnie's stomach during the posedown to draw attention to the fact that he was bloated. That tactic obviously didn't work, and Ronnie beat me in the posedown to successfully defend his title for a third straight Mr. O triumph.


So now the show rolls around and Jay Cutler beats Ronnie in both prejudging rounds: symmetry and muscularity. Ronnie was spilling over with too much water during the muscularity round, and Cutler took it to him in many of the poses that Coleman usually dominates.

How can Cutler lose this contest if he wins in both symmetry and muscularity? How can Ronnie retain his title if his midsection is bloated and distended? Why should the fans get behind a champion who can't present an aesthetic image of what bodybuilding is supposed to be all about?

I'm talking about classical proportions, perfect symmetry and ideal conditioning. Based on that ideal, I should have won the Sandow in 2000, and Cutler should have taken it in 2001.

The fans deserve better than what they are getting. I'm already working hard to ensure that, in 2002, a true peoples' champ can strip the title away from Ronnie Coleman.

Exactly, and he to this day respects Dorian and sees him as unbeatable.
I now see why Dorian was better than Ronnie, once you get past Ronnie's gross size and actually see what their peers say you can see who was really
better.
Dorian Yates DOMINATED, Ronnie Coleman cheated people out of the Olympia title!
in closing

Dorian > Ronnie

I now see that

[CalvinH]

Competition was waaaaaaaay easier back in 93
Dallas smoked Buffalo 52-17 in the Super Bowl.

[Mr.1derful]

 

[ASJChaotic]

hahaha you need your vision checked, Coleman blew away everyone at 99 with Cormier being screwed for not getting 2nd ...

I guess this is why it was so definitive, to this day people don't debate who should have won at 99 

When Yates won, there was no questions asked, everybody knew they were battling for second place.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Exactly, and he to this day respects Dorian and sees him as unbeatable.
I now see why Dorian was better than Ronnie, once you get past Ronnie's gross size and actually see what their peers say you can see who was really
better.
Dorian Yates DOMINATED, Ronnie Coleman cheated people out of the Olympia title!
in closing

Dorian > Ronnie

I now see that

A very wise and tall man like Abe Lincoln who was 6'4" 

[ASJChaotic]

A very wise and tall man like Abe Lincoln who was 6'4" 

what can I say, you made pretty good points 

once I saw how dominant Dorian was over such tough competition and how they thought he was unbeatable
I realized that Dorian was much better than Ronnie could ever be.

[MB]

Ronnie had some debatable wins, but '99 was not one of them.  One reason that Dorian was seen as unbeatable is because he dominated from the start of his pro career and none of his competitors knew what it was like to beat him.  Ronnie, on the other hand, was routinely beaten by all the top guys.  So, when he made his big improvements in '98, it was natural for Wheeler, Levrone, and company to not accept their defeat.     

[NarcissisticDeity]

Flex Magazine May 2007

Vince Taylor on Dorian Yates

On DORIAN YATES The Shadow came out and just mesmerized people. He was a monster. He frightened everybody.

[divcom]

Exactly, and he to this day respects Dorian and sees him as unbeatable.
I now see why Dorian was better than Ronnie, once you get past Ronnie's gross size and actually see what their peers say you can see who was really
better.
Dorian Yates DOMINATED, Ronnie Coleman cheated people out of the Olympia title!
in closing

Dorian > Ronnie

I now see that

yates in the end said ronnie was better.  i guess that comes from the horses mouth.  yates fell apart his last 2-3 yrs with bloat and tears but he is god among bbers.  next thread cause this one is turning into a joke.