Author Topic: cheapest, efficient cycle with min. sides: (Read 16188 times)

Cleanest Natural · « **Reply #75 on:** December 31, 2008, 06:48:45 AM »

Quote from: Stavios on December 31, 2008, 06:38:15 AM

it's gonna be the same with every drug IMO

jtsunami · « **Reply #76 on:** December 31, 2008, 07:02:59 AM »

yeah proof, just ask the twink above

Quote from: BigJ on December 31, 2008, 05:22:55 AM

Test is better IMO - that's probably going to be my next cycle - 900mg test a week for 15 weeks. I wouldn't go back to Dbol - you lose eveything you've gained.

why exaclty 900mg, what is your test dosed at?

jt

JasonH · « **Reply #77 on:** January 01, 2009, 02:27:04 AM »

Quote from: jtsunami on December 31, 2008, 07:02:59 AM

yeah proof, just ask the twink above

why exaclty 900mg, what is your test dosed at?

jt

I'll be running test enanthate from pro.chem labs - I've used it before - their stuff comes in 300mg/ml in a 10ml vial. It's much easier to work out 600 or 900mg a week than 500 or 1000mg.

Cleanest Natural · « **Reply #78 on:** January 01, 2009, 02:28:00 AM »

Quote from: jtsunami on December 31, 2008, 07:02:59 AM

yeah proof, just ask the twink above

why exaclty 900mg, what is your test dosed at?

jt

The gayest getbig fruitcake is giving gear advise ?

theworm · « **Reply #79 on:** January 01, 2009, 07:03:05 AM »

yeah, i think a 600 test x 15 weeks os going to be good for me... of course its HG! so thats prob equivilent to 1200 of UG crap.

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #80 on:** January 01, 2009, 07:08:38 AM »

Quote from: theworm on January 01, 2009, 07:03:05 AM

yeah, i think a 600 test x 15 weeks os going to be good for me... of course its HG! so thats prob equivilent to 1200 of UG crap.

Well if it's bunk UG then yes. Have had good luck with many UG companies as far as active ingredient. But have found UG to cause more pain and swelling at injection sites. More BA and less sterile conditions most likely, this is the best thing about HG and is what makes it better....its better quality and consistency.

krazee · « **Reply #81 on:** January 02, 2009, 01:35:12 PM »

Quote from: Stavios on December 16, 2008, 03:54:17 PM

I did a test propionate only cycle for 6 week this summer

went from 190 to 243 in 4 weeks
major bloat but then, it was post contest

amazing strenght increase tho

Bro are you for real...53 lbs on just Prop...seems a little fishy there cuz..

Stavios · « **Reply #82 on:** January 02, 2009, 08:08:47 PM »

Quote from: krazee on January 02, 2009, 01:35:12 PM

Bro are you for real...53 lbs on just Prop...seems a little fishy there cuz..

what's so hard about READING THE WHOLE FUCKING THREAD

it was after a contest, so there was a huge water rebound.

now, I am done on that subject and all the people who argue that it's not possible don't know jack shit about bodybuilding.

there is nothing uncommon with a big water (and fat) gain after a contest

WillGrant · « **Reply #83 on:** January 02, 2009, 08:13:19 PM »

Quote from: Stavios on January 02, 2009, 08:08:47 PM

what's so hard about READING THE WHOLE FUCKING THREAD

it was after a contest, so there was a huge water rebound.

now, I am done on that subject and all the people who argue that it's not possible don't know jack shit about bodybuilding.

there is nothing uncommon with a big water (and fat) gain after a contest

Meltdownnnnnnnnnn

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #84 on:** January 05, 2009, 03:33:21 PM »

Quote from: Stavios on January 02, 2009, 08:08:47 PM

what's so hard about READING THE WHOLE FUCKING THREAD

it was after a contest, so there was a huge water rebound.

now, I am done on that subject and all the people who argue that it's not possible don't know jack shit about bodybuilding.

there is nothing uncommon with a big water (and fat) gain after a contest

LOL water rebound of 40lbs? Haha!

Emmortal · « **Reply #85 on:** January 05, 2009, 04:09:48 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on January 05, 2009, 03:33:21 PM

LOL water rebound of 40lbs? Haha!

I don't' see what's so difficult to comprehend here, this is NOT uncommon after a contest. The body is extremely depleted for a contest to get into shape and it's quite common for this rebound to happen. Most guys who've been competing for a while don't let it happen that drastically because it can wreck havoc on the body, health and skin wise. If you consider the fact that most competitors are 40-50lbs higher in the offseason than they are in contest shape what do you think happens when you start mass feeding the body after a severe depletion like that? Huge rebound.

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #86 on:** January 05, 2009, 04:24:56 PM »

Yeah look at the pros, I saw a guy who won a pro show the weekend before and he guest posed at a local show and I ws amazed at how out of shape he was.

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #87 on:** January 06, 2009, 02:26:13 AM »

Quote from: Emmortal on January 05, 2009, 04:09:48 PM

I don't' see what's so difficult to comprehend here, this is NOT uncommon after a contest. The body is extremely depleted for a contest to get into shape and it's quite common for this rebound to happen. Most guys who've been competing for a while don't let it happen that drastically because it can wreck havoc on the body, health and skin wise. If you consider the fact that most competitors are 40-50lbs higher in the offseason than they are in contest shape what do you think happens when you start mass feeding the body after a severe depletion like that? Huge rebound.

40lbs of water in 4 weeks?

? You're an idiot as well! 15-20lbs MAYBE! No fucking way 40lbs of water. Go back to science class genius.

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #88 on:** January 06, 2009, 04:55:19 AM »

I do have to say it would take me a couple months to put on 40lbs after a show.

StillTippin · « **Reply #89 on:** January 06, 2009, 08:54:07 AM »

Quote from: Luv2Hurt on January 06, 2009, 04:55:19 AM

I do have to say it would take me a couple months to put on 40lbs after a show.

But you're not the Stavios.

Stavios · « **Reply #90 on:** January 09, 2009, 02:48:52 PM »

Quote from: StillTippin on January 06, 2009, 08:54:07 AM

But you're not the Stavios.

I said I gained Bloat, not anything else.

I now declare everyone who does not believe a 40-50 lbs gain in 1 month after a contest a complete idiot !

now to all the haters who never even dieted down, please fuck off

Your friend, Stavios

StillTippin · « **Reply #91 on:** January 09, 2009, 04:06:08 PM »

Quote from: Stavios on January 09, 2009, 02:48:52 PM

I said I gained Bloat, not anything else.

I now declare everyone who does not believe a 40-50 lbs gain in 1 month after a contest a complete idiot !

now to all the haters who never even dieted down, please fuck off

Your friend, Stavios

That wasn't a shot at you man. I believe you, what would be the point in lying about it.

I'm dieting for my second show right now and without even trying I'm sure I will be up 20-25 pounds a month after. Double that on your frame size isn't unreasonable when going a little crazy.

I'm gonna be avoiding that though since I don't want those lower back pumps. I hate those almost as much as foot cramps!

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #92 on:** January 09, 2009, 04:10:34 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on January 06, 2009, 02:26:13 AM

40lbs of water in 4 weeks?? You're an idiot as well! 15-20lbs MAYBE! No fucking way 40lbs of water. Go back to science class genius.

I have seen almost that in a couple of days. No shit. Think about this example: you have been on zero carbs for a several weeks. Day before show you shoot Lasix and take 15lbs off overnight. What do you think happens when you stuff your face after the show?

StillTippin · « **Reply #93 on:** January 09, 2009, 04:16:36 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on January 09, 2009, 04:10:34 PM

I have seen almost that in a couple of days. No shit. Think about this example: you have been on zero carbs for a several weeks. Day before show you shoot Lasix and take 15lbs off overnight. What do you think happens when you stuff your face after the show?

Just out of curiosity, have you competed before Van? I'm assuming you have with the gear knowledge and all. Sorry if you've discussed it before, I've never seen you mention it.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #94 on:** January 09, 2009, 04:26:09 PM »

Quote from: StillTippin on January 09, 2009, 04:16:36 PM

Just out of curiosity, have you competed before Van? I'm assuming you have with the gear knowledge and all. Sorry if you've discussed it before, I've never seen you mention it.

Only once a long time ago. Injuries put an end to that unfortunately. I have a lot of friends who compete which is why I've seen these rebounds.

StillTippin · « **Reply #95 on:** January 09, 2009, 04:38:40 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on January 09, 2009, 04:26:09 PM

Only once a long time ago. Injuries put an end to that unfortunately. I have a lot of friends who compete which is why I've seen these rebounds.

Sorry to hear that. Training injuries or something else?

jtsunami · « **Reply #96 on:** January 09, 2009, 04:45:15 PM »

Quote from: StillTippin on January 09, 2009, 04:38:40 PM

Sorry to hear that. Training injuries or something else?

very sad indeed, although he is still a strong poster here.

jt

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #97 on:** January 09, 2009, 07:32:53 PM »

Quote from: StillTippin on January 09, 2009, 04:38:40 PM

Sorry to hear that. Training injuries or something else?

Yeah, mainly a pec that's torn as bad as it can be torn.

Quote from: jtsunami on January 09, 2009, 04:45:15 PM

very sad indeed, although he is still a strong poster here.

jt

lmao

Stavios · « **Reply #98 on:** January 10, 2009, 10:23:16 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on January 09, 2009, 04:10:34 PM

I have seen almost that in a couple of days. No shit. Think about this example: you have been on zero carbs for a several weeks. Day before show you shoot Lasix and take 15lbs off overnight. What do you think happens when you stuff your face after the show?

Exactly !!!!

a dude from my gym gained 35 lbs in less than 48 hours.
he had to be hospitalized tho

StillTippin · « **Reply #99 on:** January 10, 2009, 11:25:51 AM »

Quote from: Stavios on January 10, 2009, 10:23:16 AM

Exactly !!!!

a dude from my gym gained 35 lbs in less than 48 hours.
he had to be hospitalized tho

Fuck that sounds painfull. Did they give him diuretics at the hospital or anything?