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Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« on: December 18, 2008, 07:08:28 AM »
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(CNN) -- Prominent liberal groups and gay rights proponents criticized President-elect Barack Obama Wednesday for choosing evangelical pastor Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at the presidential inauguration next month.

Warren, one of the most influential religious leaders in the nation, has championed issues such as a reduction of global poverty, human rights abuses and the AIDS epidemic.

But the founder of the Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, has also adhered to socially conservative stances -- including his opposition to gay marriage and abortion rights that puts him at odds with many in the Democratic Party, especially the party's most liberal wing.

"[It's] shrewd politics, but if anyone is under any illusion that Obama is interested in advancing gay equality, they should probably sober up now," Andrew Sullivan wrote on the Atlantic Web site Wednesday.

People for the American Way President Kathryn Kolbert told CNN she is "deeply disappointed" with the choice of Warren and said the powerful platform at the inauguration should instead have been given to someone who has "consistent mainstream American values." iReport.com: What do you think of the pick?

"There is no substantive difference between Rick Warren and James Dobson," Kolbert said. "The only difference is tone. His tone is moderate, but his ideas are radical."

Dobson, a social conservative leader, is founder and chairman of Focus on the Family.

Linda Douglass, a spokeswoman for Obama, defended the choice of Warren, saying, "This is going to be the most inclusive, open, accessible inauguration in American history."
"The president-elect certainly disagrees with him on [lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender] issues," Douglass said. "But it has always been his goal to find common ground with people with whom you may disagree on some issues."

Douglass also noted that Obama and Warren agree on several issues, including advocating on behalf of the poor, the disadvantaged and people who suffer from HIV/AIDS.

Warren's support of California's Proposition 8, a measure that outlaws same-sex marriage in the state, sparked the ire of many gay rights proponents earlier this fall.

Warren, who has made it a practice not to endorse candidates or political parties, wrote in October that the issue of gay marriage is not a political issue, but instead "a moral issue that God has spoken clearly about."

"For 5,000 years, every culture and every religion -- not just Christianity -- has defined marriage as a contract between men and women," Warren wrote in a newsletter to his congregation. "There is no reason to change the universal, historical definition of marriage to appease 2 percent of our population."

Warren also stirred controversy earlier this week when he told Beliefnet.com his grounds for opposing same-sex marriage lay primarily on his right of free speech.

"There were all kinds of threats that if [Proposition 8] did not pass, then any pastor could be considered doing hate speech if he shared his views that he didn't think homosexuality was the most natural way for relationships, and that would be hate speech."

Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights campaign, said Wednesday he feels a "deep level of disrespect" over the choice of Warren and is calling on Obama to reconsider the move.

"By inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration, you have tarnished the view that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans have a place at your table," Solmonese said in an open letter to Obama that was released by his organization.

In his recent interview with Beliefnet, Warren also sparked outrage among supporters of abortion rights for criticizing those who have said abortion would be "safe and rare."

"Don't tell me it should be rare," he said in the interview. "That's like saying on the Holocaust, 'Well, maybe we could save 20 percent of the Jewish people in Poland and Germany and get them out and we should be satisfied with that -- I'm not satisfied with that. I want the Holocaust ended."

But Warren, whose church attracts more than 20,000 people a week, has widely been recognized for his attempts to expand the evangelical movement beyond socially conservative issues.

In the 2008 election, Warren hosted Obama and Sen. John McCain, the Republican presidential nominee, at a candidate forum held in his church.

His book "The Purpose Driven Life" has sold more than 20 million copies since it was first published five years ago, and Time magazine named him one of the 25 most influential evangelicals in 2005.

"Many believe that Warren ... is the successor to the [Rev. Billy Graham] for the role of America's minister," Time wrote in 2005.


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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2008, 09:01:36 AM »
The homos need to realize that Obama is NOT in favor of gay marriage.
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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2008, 09:18:53 AM »
The homos need to realize that Obama is NOT in favor of gay marriage.

They got thrown under the bus along with Rev. Wright.

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2008, 10:59:04 AM »
Obama is walking a tightrope trying to show some deference to the heterogeneous group of voters who put him in office

Here's an article where he explains his choice of Warren: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gWQ9YNgqijt-5ZQn2fGuX-RHxjPg

and another about plans to roll back some Bush era abortion rules:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/17/obama-team-reverse-bush-era-abortion-rules/

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2008, 05:53:56 PM »
Those poor little gay boys, don't they know it is metaly wrong. Why do you think we have a population in the world? because a man sticks his penis in a women not a man, if we were all gay you could say goodbye to the human race. The gays want this and that and adopt children, they only think of themselfs
what about the kids who have to grow up with gay parents? i'm sure they go thru hell in school and are made fun of and picked on. If things were to be that way God would have made Adam and Adam.
I'm sorry it's just not right, keep it to your selfs you poor little gay boy.

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2008, 06:07:30 PM »
The homos need to realize that Obama is NOT in favor of gay marriage.
but yet in his book, "the audaceity of hope" he proposes gay marriage and is very liberal an extreme lefist as you will. 

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2008, 06:37:06 PM »
but yet in his book, "the audaceity of hope" he proposes gay marriage and is very liberal an extreme lefist as you will. 
LOL he is a politician and many of his leftist views changed the moment he was elected president.

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2008, 03:46:52 AM »
Can't believe these fags decides to fight Obama on such a non-issue.

Don't they realize there are fights they would need his support on?

Or that they're making themselves looking like quite a bunch of drama queens?
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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2008, 04:03:17 AM »
Mccain and palin would have done so much more for gay rights...

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2008, 04:44:27 AM »
Mccain and palin would have done so much more for gay rights...

What would they have done?

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2008, 04:48:40 AM »
What would they have done?
LET THEM GET THE FUCK MARRIED THATS WHAT,,,,,KINDA IRONIC TWIST AS YOU WILL EVERYONE WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA WERE EXTREME LEFIST OVER BUSH,,,BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY DIDNT KNOW ANY BETTER ONCE OBAMA GETS IN OFFICE HE WILL HIRE THE SAME BUSH FOLKS WHO GAVE BUSH THE INTELLIGENCE DURING HIS REIGN I OFFICE,,,WHOS YOU THAT BUSH WAS RIGHT EVEN THOUGH AMERICA THINKS HE IS WRONG,,

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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2008, 06:25:47 AM »
LET THEM GET THE FUCK MARRIED THATS WHAT,,,,,KINDA IRONIC TWIST AS YOU WILL EVERYONE WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA WERE EXTREME LEFIST OVER BUSH,,,BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY DIDNT KNOW ANY BETTER ONCE OBAMA GETS IN OFFICE HE WILL HIRE THE SAME BUSH FOLKS WHO GAVE BUSH THE INTELLIGENCE DURING HIS REIGN I OFFICE,,,WHOS YOU THAT BUSH WAS RIGHT EVEN THOUGH AMERICA THINKS HE IS WRONG,,

Are you Derek Anthony? :-\

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2008, 07:24:59 AM »
Are you Derek Anthony? :-\
Well, he IS gh15.  ;)
Maybe gh15 is Derek Anthony?  ???

Can't believe these fags decides to fight Obama on such a non-issue.

Don't they realize there are fights they would need his support on?

Or that they're making themselves looking like quite a bunch of drama queens?
SPOT ON.  ;)

Warren is not some hateful Jerry Falwell type. The left-wing and the homo supporters need to calm the fuck down. Many of the homos supported Hillary Clinton. Guess what? She did not support gay marriage either. These people claiming to be outraged are being hypocrites.

Warren has only written one of the best selling books in the history of the universe...its not like he has a constituency or anything.  ::) The man has views outside of homo marriage...like on issues of hunger and helping the poor, things the Bible mentions more than virtually anything else. Obama is a Christian as is Warren, and there is common ground.

I don't agree with Rev. Warren on everything (abortion), but he is a good man. All he is going to do is give a 2-3 minute prayer asking God to bless this nation and our new president and then sit down.
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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2008, 09:17:55 AM »
Warren is not some hateful Jerry Falwell type. The left-wing and the homo supporters need to calm the fuck down. Many of the homos supported Hillary Clinton. Guess what? She did not support gay marriage either. These people claiming to be outraged are being hypocrites.

Warren has only written one of the best selling books in the history of the universe...its not like he has a constituency or anything.  ::) The man has views outside of homo marriage...like on issues of hunger and helping the poor, things the Bible mentions more than virtually anything else. Obama is a Christian as is Warren, and there is common ground.

I don't agree with Rev. Warren on everything (abortion), but he is a good man. All he is going to do is give a 2-3 minute prayer asking God to bless this nation and our new president and then sit down.
well put

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2008, 09:25:40 AM »
well put

With the gays its all or nothing.  They will turn on Obama in a second unless he comes out 100000000% in favor of gay marriage.

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2008, 09:33:18 AM »
With the gays its all or nothing.  They will turn on Obama in a second unless he comes out 100000000% in favor of gay marriage.
The Gay lobby is one of the strongest and smartest in the world.
Only bested by the oil lobby IMO.
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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2008, 09:35:03 AM »
The Gay lobby is one of the strongest and smartest in the world.
Only bested by the oil lobby IMO.

The gays are overplaying their hand in this. 

They are mostly a bunch of fags. 

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2008, 11:22:32 AM »
Tough shit.  Good move by Obama.  Warren is one of the least offensive religious leaders in the nation.

I am supportive of gay unions and treating gay Americans just like any other American but marriage is clearly defined as an institution between a man and a woman and the majority of Americans agree.  Gay unions provide them with very similar benefits anyway.

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2008, 01:05:27 PM »
Well, he IS gh15.  ;)
Maybe gh15 is Derek Anthony?  ???
SPOT ON.  ;)

Warren is not some hateful Jerry Falwell type. The left-wing and the homo supporters need to calm the fuck down. Many of the homos supported Hillary Clinton. Guess what? She did not support gay marriage either. These people claiming to be outraged are being hypocrites.

Warren has only written one of the best selling books in the history of the universe...its not like he has a constituency or anything.  ::) The man has views outside of homo marriage...like on issues of hunger and helping the poor, things the Bible mentions more than virtually anything else. Obama is a Christian as is Warren, and there is common ground.

I don't agree with Rev. Warren on everything (abortion), but he is a good man. All he is going to do is give a 2-3 minute prayer asking God to bless this nation and our new president and then sit down.

He may not be as bad as Falwell but he's still a Grade A Moron for equating homosexuality with pedaphilia and beastiliaty.     

Still I guess Obama needs someone to appeal to the large number of his moronic followers


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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2008, 04:45:27 PM »
The Gay lobby is one of the strongest and smartest in the world.
Only bested by the oil lobby IMO.
There isn't a lobby in America stronger and more focused on their agenda than AIPAC;) After that, you have the NRA, and then many others.
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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2008, 06:11:08 PM »
Mccain and palin would have done so much more for gay rights...

BullShit on that, Gays should keep their dirty asses in the closet where they belong.
They should be happy the Goverment dosen't kill'em, if their not happy with the rights they have now
then let them all move to IRAN and see how they like the GAY rights there.

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2008, 11:51:52 PM »
The homos need to realize that Obama is NOT in favor of gay marriage.

Yes he is.

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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2008, 11:53:19 PM »
Well, he IS gh15.  ;)
Maybe gh15 is Derek Anthony?  ???
SPOT ON.  ;)

Warren is not some hateful Jerry Falwell type. The left-wing and the homo supporters need to calm the fuck down. Many of the homos supported Hillary Clinton. Guess what? She did not support gay marriage either. These people claiming to be outraged are being hypocrites.

Warren has only written one of the best selling books in the history of the universe...its not like he has a constituency or anything.  ::) The man has views outside of homo marriage...like on issues of hunger and helping the poor, things the Bible mentions more than virtually anything else. Obama is a Christian as is Warren, and there is common ground.

I don't agree with Rev. Warren on everything (abortion), but he is a good man. All he is going to do is give a 2-3 minute prayer asking God to bless this nation and our new president and then sit down.

I agree.   :o

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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2008, 11:56:23 PM »
BullShit on that, Gays should keep their dirty asses in the closet where they belong.
They should be happy the Goverment dosen't kill'em, if their not happy with the rights they have now
then let them all move to IRAN and see how they like the GAY rights there.
Does gay porn make your thingy hard.
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Re: Now The Gays Are Upset With Barack Obama
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2008, 04:41:44 AM »
Does gay porn make your thingy hard.

LOL, i'll let you know next time i watch it. And if i do watch it please cut my thingy off.