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The Case for Rampage Jackson
« on: December 22, 2008, 07:21:52 AM »
From what I can tell, nearly all analysis of the third Jackson-Silva fight has focused on intangibles.  What is going on with Jackson's trial?  How has the move overseas affected him?  Is Silva in his head?

All of these things matter, but this is still a fight, not a therapy session.  It's going to be primarily determined by the way their styles collide, and because Jackson's style has changed so dramatically since their first two fights, I don't think those fights are a reliable indicator of what is going to happen this time.  It's been well over four years since their second fight, and things have changed.  A lot. 

Wanderlei Silva is no longer the invincible monster that went 17 fights without a loss before his High Octane fight with Jackson, and I don't think fighting Jackson again is going to bring that man back.  In 2003 and 2004, Jackson was scared to stand and trade with Wanderlei Silva.  His striking was powerful but basic, and he wanted to get Silva down.  I do not believe that will be his strategy this time.  His game has evolved to the point where he relies almost exclusively on his boxing superiority and punching power; I'd be shocked if we see him shooting for takedowns unless he gets badly hurt.

If Jackson can keep Silva in check and turn it into a boxing match, he will tear Silva apart.  Jackson's boxing in 2008 is a lot cleaner than Silva's; he has more powerful punches, a much better left hand, far superior head movement,  and the ability to put together advanced combinations that Silva doesn't even attempt.  If Silva can turn it into a reckless brawl, then the advantage is his, but even then it is still essentially a tossup.

Wanderlei Silva has history and the intangibles on his side, but Jackson has the stylistic advantage.  In 2008, I do not believe that in a fight where both men will likely stand in front of each other and trade until the other goes down that Wanderlei Silva will survive longer than Rampage Jackson.  I am picking Rampage Jackson via KO, round 2.

 

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Re: The Case for Rampage Jackson
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2008, 11:38:36 PM »
Rampage has better boxing, wrestling. 

Wand has better Clinch, BJJ. 

Whomever can dictate the range in which the fight takes place wins.  I think Rampage will TKO him from Wand's guard. 

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Re: The Case for Rampage Jackson
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2008, 01:31:26 AM »
im going with page on this one,page is crisper with his hands and ill predict hell ko wandy
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Re: The Case for Rampage Jackson
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2008, 12:31:47 PM »
From what I can tell, nearly all analysis of the third Jackson-Silva fight has focused on intangibles.  What is going on with Jackson's trial?  How has the move overseas affected him?  Is Silva in his head?

All of these things matter, but this is still a fight, not a therapy session.  It's going to be primarily determined by the way their styles collide, and because Jackson's style has changed so dramatically since their first two fights, I don't think those fights are a reliable indicator of what is going to happen this time.  It's been well over four years since their second fight, and things have changed.  A lot. 

Wanderlei Silva is no longer the invincible monster that went 17 fights without a loss before his High Octane fight with Jackson, and I don't think fighting Jackson again is going to bring that man back.  In 2003 and 2004, Jackson was scared to stand and trade with Wanderlei Silva.  His striking was powerful but basic, and he wanted to get Silva down.  I do not believe that will be his strategy this time.  His game has evolved to the point where he relies almost exclusively on his boxing superiority and punching power; I'd be shocked if we see him shooting for takedowns unless he gets badly hurt.

If Jackson can keep Silva in check and turn it into a boxing match, he will tear Silva apart.  Jackson's boxing in 2008 is a lot cleaner than Silva's; he has more powerful punches, a much better left hand, far superior head movement,  and the ability to put together advanced combinations that Silva doesn't even attempt.  If Silva can turn it into a reckless brawl, then the advantage is his, but even then it is still essentially a tossup.

Wanderlei Silva has history and the intangibles on his side, but Jackson has the stylistic advantage.  In 2008, I do not believe that in a fight where both men will likely stand in front of each other and trade until the other goes down that Wanderlei Silva will survive longer than Rampage Jackson.  I am picking Rampage Jackson via KO, round 2.

 


Dude, honestly... lay off the crack pipe, once Silva starts lining up combo's it's over, look at what he did to jardine.... and we're talking about someone he hates with a passion, Wandy's going to rip through Jackson like a hot knife through butter.

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Re: The Case for Rampage Jackson
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2008, 07:28:09 AM »
Dude, honestly... lay off the crack pipe, once Silva starts lining up combo's it's over, look at what he did to jardine.... and we're talking about someone he hates with a passion, Wandy's going to rip through Jackson like a hot knife through butter.



I didn't write the article.. But I agree with it. Your talking about a single knockout.. One that did not last long and you can't compare a fighters  stand up when it only lasts 30 seconds. How about his fight with Chuck, if he comes out and boxes like that against  Page he will get chewed up! Look at page vs chuck and wandy vs chuck. Look at Forrest vs Page. Page is a better boxer I think... We will see.

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Re: The Case for Rampage Jackson
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2008, 02:26:35 PM »
Forrest out pointed Rampage.  Wandy may not throw traditional combinations but if he rocks you he throws with the power and ferocity of the old vitor belfort.  And it is way too much of a mental advantage, I believe, that Wandy has over Rampage.  Page is very fragile mentally, and anyone that thinks different should go back to look at the bulk of posts from the four weeks after Griffin beat him.  The guy broke down and it looked like he wasn't doing to hot in the days leading up to the fight.  And since we know it is such a horrible idea, but he has done it twice that we know of the horrible results, someone please assure me that Rampage won;t go on a sleep depriving, fasting, Red Bull binge for three days befor ethe fight...

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Re: The Case for Rampage Jackson
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2008, 10:03:10 AM »
Like I said earlier, I just don't think 1) Rampage is all there mentally  2) He doesn't have the same fire/ferocity that Wand has 3) He doesn't have the kind of killer instinct/bloodlust Wand has 4) Has already gotten destroyed by Wand TWICE, that's gotta be fucking with his head and anyone that says it doesn't is a fool. 

I bet Quinton gets chills everytime he sees that knockout of him dangling on the ropes ;)