Obama approval ratings highest ever for a president elect.

[Dos Equis]

True, but the point is that its a reflection of what the media has created.

I agree. 

[The Coach]

Ask Barney Frank and the rest of his cronies.

[tonymctones]

Why is it utterly retarded to blame the man who has been the president the last 8 years for the current economic situation?

b/c this has been a long time coming as easy as it is to blame one person many ppl are to blame. The lenders, the ppl who bought a house with the intent to flip it, the ppl who bought a house they couldnt afford simply b/c they got approved, the car companies...it is ignorant and retarted to solely blame the president for this.

[Hedgehog]

Ask Barney Frank and the rest of his cronies.

Barney Frank, to my knowledge has never made that claim.


It was you who made the claim that it was utterly retarded to blame Bush.

But to blame Bush for the economy it utterly retarded.

So I am asking you.

Why is it utterly retarded to blame the man who has been the president the last 8 years for the current economic situation?

Thanks.

[tonymctones]

b/c this has been a long time coming as easy as it is to blame one person many ppl are to blame. The lenders, the ppl who bought a house with the intent to flip it, the ppl who bought a house they couldnt afford simply b/c they got approved, the car companies...it is ignorant and retarted to solely blame the president for this.

here is your response hedge its a complicated situation do a little bit of research on there are too many ppl to spread the blame around to my friend.

[Hedgehog]

here is your response hedge its a complicated situation do a little bit of research on there are too many ppl to spread the blame around to my friend.

Who's been in charge of USA the last 8 years?

Who should get credit when it goes well and get the blame when it goes bad?

It's just like a business corporation.

It is the executive.

In this case - the president.

He's got the ultimate responsibility for the state of the nation.

If he's not able to handle that pressure - then he's not fit to be president.


This ain't no fcuking kindergarten where we should cut the leader some slack if he sucks.

The presidency of the USA is the most important job in the world, and it takes a brilliant mind and courage to do it.

If there is poor results during your time in office, you should get heat for it.

Then there was failure under your watch.

That's how I look at it.

[tonymctones]

Who's been in charge of USA the last 8 years?

Who should get credit when it goes well and get the blame when it goes bad?

It's just like a business corporation.

It is the executive.

In this case - the president.

He's got the ultimate responsibility for the state of the nation.

If he's not able to handle that pressure - then he's not fit to be president.

LOL is the CEO responsible when ppl many many many levels below him do something wrong?

I can understand where your coming from but trying to compare running a company to running a country again is being ignorant. Im not saying he is innocent in this matter only that blaming him soley is ignorant and not looking at ANY of the facts.

[Hedgehog]

LOL is the CEO responsible when ppl many many many levels below him do something wrong?

I can understand where your coming from but trying to compare running a company to running a country again is being ignorant. Im not saying he is innocent in this matter only that blaming him soley is ignorant and not looking at ANY of the facts.

I don't think anyone is blaming Bush solely?

At least I don't.

But I definitely think he's the one with the biggest responsibility.

Then there are others who are also to blame.

But GWB is the biggest culprit.


Not the only one, but the biggest one.

You see what I'm saying?

[240 is Back]

compared to what Bush faced during 9/11

What did he face?  Guilt?

Q: Mr bush, what do you feel in your soul about 911?
A: "I'm a good man...." trails off.

hmmmmmm

[tonymctones]

I don't think anyone is blaming Bush solely?

At least I don't.

But I definitely think he's the one with the biggest responsibility.

Then there are others who are also to blame.

But GWB is the biggest culprit.


Not the only one, but the biggest one.

You see what I'm saying?

I can understand your thinking as it happend on his watch but by that logic lincoln is mainly responsible for the civil war as well. You have to look at the entire picture and take into account the situation and how it came to be if these events where set into place years before bush took office then some of the blame shifts off of him. If ppl where practicing shady business practices and cooking books then some of the blame shifts off of him. You see when you look more closely at the problems you begin to understand that this was a multi faceted fuck up and didnt necissarily begin from the head down like most ppl would have you think.

[tonymctones]

What did he face?  Guilt?

Q: Mr bush, what do you feel in your soul about 911?
A: "I'm a good man...." trails off.

hmmmmmm

while i understand you not wanting to post links b/c you spin shit like rush limbaugh or olbeirman it would be nice to get a link when you post from a supposed interview.

[240 is Back]

while i understand you not wanting to post links b/c you spin shit like rush limbaugh or olbeirman it would be nice to get a link when you post from a supposed interview.

First, call bullshit on the quote, so it'll be worth my time to post it.

[tonymctones]

First, call bullshit on the quote, so it'll be worth my time to post it.

LOL im not calling bullshit i did however call bullshit on the other posts which you havent provided any proof for yet. I would like a link though or youtube clip, you know i would have no reason to doubt you if you didnt intentionally spin shit all damn day.

Serious question: Do you think that misrepresenting facts is the best way to have a civilized debate?

[240 is Back]

LOL im not calling bullshit i did however call bullshit on the other posts which you havent provided any proof for yet. I would like a link though or youtube clip, you know i would have no reason to doubt you if you didnt intentionally spin shit all damn day.

Serious question: Do you think that misrepresenting facts is the best way to have a civilized debate?

ya lost me. 

[tonymctones]

ya lost me. 

Ill refresh your memory
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=254704.75

you asserted that palin refused to answer questions during the debate and that she broke rules as governor but retreated when asked to provide proof and then tried to pass a supposed transcript of a PLAN for her to not answer questions and never addressed the governor breaking rules aspect.

At any rate please link this one Ill call bull shit if it will make you feel better and you could maybe actually win a debate for a change.

[240 is Back]

Ill refresh your memory
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=254704.75

you asserted that palin refused to answer questions during the debate and that she broke rules as governor but retreated when asked to provide proof and then tried to pass a supposed transcript of a PLAN for her to not answer questions and never addressed the governor breaking rules aspect.

At any rate please link this one Ill call bull shit if it will make you feel better and you could maybe actually win a debate for a change.

look

ya know

[tonymctones]

good response why dont you zing me again with a "your momma wears combat boots" or "im rubber your glue whatever you say bounces of me and sticks to you" 

Its pathetic what you have become 240 im embarressed for you bro, you have become the very thing you despise and bitch about on here...Cudos

[MidniteRambo]

Well, we have the last 2 presidencies to look at...

Clinton started the DOW at 3000, and got it to 10,000 when he left office.
not too bad.  333% growth in 8 years.

Ahhh.. I wore a red shirt last Friday and it rained.  Therefore, the red shirt made it rain.

[tonymctones]

Ahhh.. I wore a red shirt last Friday and it rained.  Therefore, the red shirt made it rain.

hahah i like it

[Grape Ape]

Well, we have the last 2 presidencies to look at...

Clinton started the DOW at 3000, and got it to 10,000 when he left office.
not too bad.  333% growth in 8 years.

Bush started the SOW at 10,000, and left it at 8,400.
Eh, 16% loss in 8 years.

Obama will start at about 8,400.

I guess we'll find out.

Why do you keep posting this crap?  You're like the guys who post the worst pics of Dorian/Ronnie and claim some kind of victory because of it.

Clinton was President during a time of little to no military spending and the birth of......as has been said a million times....the Internet.  Unless you give Gore credit for inventing it, and then Clinton the credit for picking him as a VP, stop posting this stat.

Everyone here loves Ron Paul so.

Ron Paul's understanding of this is why he says he doesn't want to run the economy and then explains that by saying, "because the President isn't supposed to run the economy." The President should understand the economy, but his job is to uphold the Constitution

Link:  http://www.nolanchart.com/article1559.html

[Dos Equis]

Who's been in charge of USA the last 8 years?

Who should get credit when it goes well and get the blame when it goes bad?

It's just like a business corporation.

It is the executive.

In this case - the president.

He's got the ultimate responsibility for the state of the nation.

If he's not able to handle that pressure - then he's not fit to be president.


This ain't no fcuking kindergarten where we should cut the leader some slack if he sucks.

The presidency of the USA is the most important job in the world, and it takes a brilliant mind and courage to do it.

If there is poor results during your time in office, you should get heat for it.

Then there was failure under your watch.

That's how I look at it.

It's actually the president and Congress at the federal level. 

[Dos Equis]

First, call bullshit on the quote, so it'll be worth my time to post it.

Yes, post the link to the following quotes:

What did he face?  Guilt?

Q: Mr bush, what do you feel in your soul about 911?
A: "I'm a good man...." trails off.

hmmmmmm

[Hedgehog]

Why do you keep posting this crap?  You're like the guys who post the worst pics of Dorian/Ronnie and claim some kind of victory because of it.

Clinton was President during a time of little to no military spending and the birth of......as has been said a million times....the Internet.  Unless you give Gore credit for inventing it, and then Clinton the credit for picking him as a VP, stop posting this stat.

Everyone here loves Ron Paul so.

Link:  http://www.nolanchart.com/article1559.html

I can't believe you guys are falling for this Ron Paul bullshit.

Look, I understand if Joe the Coach or Joe The Plumber don't understand how the constitution works.

But a congressman?

A presidential candidate?

WTF?

Quote from: Ron Paul
Ron Paul's understanding of this is why he says he doesn't want to run the economy and then explains that by saying, "because the President isn't supposed to run the economy." The President should understand the economy, but his job is to uphold the Constitution


No Ron Paul.

It's not the president's job to uphold the constitution.

Perhaps Ron Paul skipped class when they taught checks and balances?


The presidency holds the Executive power.

The congress holds the Legislative power.

The Supreme Court holds the Judicial power and guards the constitution.
 

[Dos Equis]

I can't believe you guys are falling for this Ron Paul bullshit.

Look, I understand if Joe the Coach or Joe The Plumber don't understand how the constitution works.

But a congressman?

A presidential candidate?

WTF?

Quote from: Ron Paul
Ron Paul's understanding of this is why he says he doesn't want to run the economy and then explains that by saying, "because the President isn't supposed to run the economy." The President should understand the economy, but his job is to uphold the Constitution


No Ron Paul.

It's not the president's job to uphold the constitution.

Perhaps Ron Paul skipped class when they taught checks and balances?


The presidency holds the Executive power.

The congress holds the Legislative power.

The Supreme Court holds the Judicial power and guards the constitution.
 

Hedge I don't think it's that cut and dried.  The executive does enforce the law, including the Constitution, through agencies like the AG's office, FBI, Treasury, INS, etc.  Yes we have checks and balances, and they work, but the prez has an obligation to "uphold" the Constitution.  He takes an oath to do so when he takes office:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

[Hedgehog]

Hedge I don't think it's that cut and dried.  The executive does enforce the law, including the Constitution, through agencies like the AG's office, FBI, Treasury, INS, etc.  Yes we have checks and balances, and they work, but the prez has an obligation to "uphold" the Constitution.  He takes an oath to do so when he takes office:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

You're correct sir.