ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS, RATIONAL RECOVERY ETC

[elite_lifter]

I'm trying to help a substance abusing friend get clean and sober.  Is AA the way to go?  I have been praying with my friend over The Bible for Christ to illuminate the right path.

Shoot him and end the misery.

[Jizzacked]

You can pick up alot of pussy at AA/NA meetings

I thought this might be the case.. however there was never a really attractive woman in any of the meetings I had to attend, and I tried many different groups to change things up in attempt to make it somewhat interesting (and to complete my hours quicker).  after a while I was daydreaming thinking about railing the occasional 4 or 5 in the room (on a scale of 1-20), and then cringing when they would tell their stories.  some serious headcases, I would never see a woman from a substance abuse group... it sounds good in theory but give it a whirl and see how appealing she is looking after talking about ODing and being shocked back to life, or how grateful they are for their 7 kids.  

[jtsunami]

 

true but that's not fairgame.

very respectable cubby

[polychronopolous]

I thought this might be the case.. however there was never a really attractive woman in any of the meetings I had to attend, and I tried many different groups to change things up in attempt to make it somewhat interesting (and to complete my hours quicker).  after a while I was daydreaming thinking about railing the occasional 4 or 5 in the room (on a scale of 1-20), and then cringing when they would tell their stories.  some serious headcases, I would never see a woman from a substance abuse group... it sounds good in theory but give it a whirl and see how appealing she is looking after talking about ODing and being shocked back to life, or how grateful they are for their 7 kids.  

You ever heard of the phrase "Early, easy?"

Sometimes when you are feeling a little lazy, and don't want to pull all your game out, you gotta pick the less attractive woman with a few psychological problems.

[jtsunami]

Alex isn't an alcoholic.

jt

[Camel Jockey]

The pussy you pick up at any alcohol related help gatherings will usually be very skinny or fat and be drained to the point where their attractive attributes = non existent.

Those babes will most likely give birth to a jug of vodka and cranberry 

[chainsaw]

He must hit rock bottom, or youll waste youre time

[Necrosis]

I'm trying to help a substance abusing friend get clean and sober.  Is AA the way to go?  I have been praying with my friend over The Bible for Christ to illuminate the right path.

you should pray over the koran and pamphelt of scientology to cover your bases.

[jehwit]

SUBSTANCE ABUSE UPDATE:  After much research it has become apparent that Rational Recovery is basically evil and ineffective because it doesn't include God in it's formula.  AA is the way to go, as it is God based.

[nycbull]

due to some poor decisions I was forced to go to AA for minimum 8 meetings, it is a mandatory requirement to have your license reinstated in my state.  depending on the severity of your infraction they can make you go to 20+ meetings, not to mention before that you have to take 20 hours of classes and pay for them which is basically like an alcohol oriented dare program for adults.

as open minded as I tried to be, the majority of people in those meetings were either people desperate for attention with no concern how they get it... and weak minded individuals.  their mantra is to embrace your "higher power", and for christians, God.  their whole doctrine demands that you succumb that you are "powerless over alcohol" and in so many words you need to ask for help from your higher power or you are just destined to be completely fucked in life.

a lot of people go to these meetings that are just lonely individuals, they have no life outside of these meetings.  they completely immerse themselves in the program, and their lives revolve around the social aspect of it and their functions.  their stories tend to become nauseating after a while, and seeing a bunch of adults act like pissed off kids because someone ran over their time talking and they didn't get a chance to share was an experience that reminded me of junior high with people jockeying to establish the social hierarchy.  

you don't have to participate in the holding hands and praying ritual at the end of every meeting if you don't want to... they will view your lack of participation as not completely embracing the program though, which is a prerequisite for it to supposedly work.  don't be surprised when people seem way overly friendly and constantly try to talk to you, invite you to hang out etc.  its almost like feeling they are trying to recruit you into their ranks.

you will see people from all walks of life, from white collar, to the homeless, mentally retarded, any demographic you can think of.  it was a bit awkward at some points running into people at meetings that I knew, it was like seeing a completely different side of them as everyone talks about their major life issues and substance abuse problems.... things they would never touch upon in any other environment.

to sum it up.... some people will benefit greatly from it and it will be an extremely positive influence in their life.  others will use it strictly on a social level to fill whatever need they desire, be it attention or a solution to loneliness... and even manipulative people with more sinister intentions as it is a prime breeding ground for impressionable and naive people.  sure there are some good people in there, but often times I think they are very misguided but like any belief system things are open to a degree of interpretation from person to person.

me personally I thought it was a very personal thing that demanded way too much integration between the lives of yourself and many people you don't really care for at all.  not to mention forcing people to go probably turns off most people... knowing that I was there against my will made me very resentful of the whole thing.

very insightful post..thanks....I know several people that go to aa and it does sound very cult like. One person I know has a serious alchohol problem but she just will not accept that she is an alcoholic because she says that the people at the meetings are very bad people that tell everyone all the bad things they did to other people. She cannot identify with these people because she hasnt commited the same atrocities and I dont blame her. I tried to point out that she has hurt herself because of drinking but that didnt quite work. So in her case aa is actually hindering her from finding the right path to sobriety.

[chainsaw]

 

aren't you on anti-depressant manufactured and designed by the "West"?

another smart ass remark from good ol a23

[Camel Jockey]

very insightful post..thanks....I know several people that go to aa and it does sound very cult like. One person I know has a serious alchohol problem but she just will not accept that she is an alcoholic because she says that the people at the meetings are very bad people that tell everyone all the bad things they did to other people. She cannot identify with these people because she hasnt commited the same atrocities and I dont blame her. I tried to point out that she has hurt herself because of drinking but that didnt quite work. So in her case aa is actually hindering her from finding the right path to sobriety.

Your friend will come a sad realization one day and see herself for what she really is. Good of you to try and point things out to her, but sometimes people need to come to terms themselves.

[nycbull]

I feel very sorry for alcoholics I do believe it is a chromosone that creates the reaction to alcohol and there is nothing one can do about that.

I believe alcoholics experience a totally different feeling from alcohol than you or I. I believe they get a high from it, not a buzz, but more like a heroine high (not that I have tried heroin.)

YOu can identify an alcholic if their personalities change drasticaly when they drink and stay high for extended periods of time, while other's buzz's have worn off long ago.  They also dont experience a hangover. And after years of drinking I noticed they start to slur only after one or two drinks and always cant remember anything the following day.

[bigdumbbell]

I feel very sorry for alcoholics I do believe it is a chromosone that creates the reaction to alcohol and there is nothing one can do about that.

I believe alcoholics experience a totally different feeling from alcohol than you or I. I believe they get a high from it, not a buzz, but more like a heroine high (not that I have tried heroin.)

YOu can identify an alcholic if their personalities change drasticaly when they drink and stay high for extended periods of time, while other's buzz's have worn off long ago.  They also dont experience a hangover. And after years of drinking I noticed they start to slur only after one or two drinks and always cant remember anything the following day.

way too many generalizations about addictive behavior

[nycbull]

Your friend will come a sad realization one day and see herself for what she really is. Good of you to try and point things out to her, but sometimes people need to come to terms themselves.

yes, she has hit rock bottom more than a few times, I have no idea what could possibly make her wake up at this point.

[nycbull]

way too many generalizations about addictive behavior

well as far as alcohol thats what I have noticed. the slurring, the blacking out, the change in personality. the high they get. also the constant excuses they make to have a drink...night cap, celebration drink, dinner cocktail, end of the day drink, after work drink, blah blah blah 

[Anabolic Outlaw]

Alcoholics Anonymous has its roots in the occult.

[TechnoViking]

Alcoholics Anonymous has its roots in the occult.

Bro i'm pretty fucking wasted right now posting, can you give me a few words of wisdom? Thanks in advance...

[Anabolic Outlaw]

Bro i'm pretty fucking wasted right now posting, can you give me a few words of wisdom? Thanks in advance...

Yes, I can. So what's your poison tonight if you don't mind sharing?

[Anabolic Outlaw]

Bro i'm pretty fucking wasted right now posting, can you give me a few words of wisdom? Thanks in advance...

Ok, here's one for you...

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
- 1 peter 5:8 (KJV)

[TechnoViking]

Ok, here's one for you...

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
- 1 peter 5:8 (KJV)

Thank you my fine man...This devil you talk about likes to toy with me...

[TechnoViking]

Yes, I can. So what's your poison tonight if you don't mind sharing?

Just beers...I've always called alcohol "the devils poison" because it was made by man...Weed and mushrooms I believe were made by God...

[Anabolic Outlaw]

I've always called alcohol "the devils poison" because it was made by man...Weed and mushrooms I believe were made by God...

True, and so was the forbidden fruit.

[TechnoViking]

True, and so was the forbidden fruit.

To'shay...

[Van_Bilderass]

Bro i'm pretty fucking wasted right now posting, can you give me a few words of wisdom? Thanks in advance...

I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, o man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture: fear not that any God shall deny thee for this.