"I never use machines in the gym." quote from 90% of Getbiggers

[mass 04]

My thinking is this, for "size" you're telling me if you put 4 plates on a hammer strength machine and knock out 3-4 good sets, you're not going to grow? As long as you have progressive resistance you'll grow IMO. Weight is weight.

[polychronopolous]

you're nuts...

QuakerOats, you wanna set this fool straight, or shall I?

[QuakerOats]

you're nuts...

not really, i've seen it a lot, it's true, test it out if you don't believe it, to say that 4 plates per side on the Hammer is equal to a mere 185 is ridicuolus.

[liquid_c]

My thinking is this, for "size" you're telling me if you put 4 plates on a hammer strength machine and knock out 3-4 good sets, you're not going to grow? As long as you have progressive resistance you'll grow IMO. Weight is weight.

Exactly!  I mean you body doesn't sit there and say.  Body: "Hey brain, what's he doing," brain "He's doing hammer strength, not free weights" Body: Well fuck him then, instruct the muscles not to grow"  Doesn't work that way.

[QuakerOats]

My thinking is this, for "size" you're telling me if you put 4 plates on a hammer strength machine and knock out 3-4 good sets, you're not going to grow? As long as you have progressive resistance you'll grow IMO. Weight is weight.

exactly, i was reading an old MD and they had a shoulder training article by Cormier in there and he said the exact same thing.

[polychronopolous]

exactly, i was reading an old MD and they had a shoulder training article by Cormier in there and he said the exact same thing.

"People say you can't grow from Hammer Strength. Put 4 plates on each size and see if you don't grow. Please" - Chris Cormier

[mass 04]

exactly, i was reading an old MD and they had a shoulder training article by Cormier in there and he said the exact same thing.

hahah that's where i got it from. It had Lee Priest on the cover

[polychronopolous]

hahah that's where i got it from. It had Lee Priest on the cover

Yeah it was around 2003 or 2004, great quote.

[QuakerOats]

hahah that's where i got it from. It had Lee Priest on the cover

he's right too, personally i like barbell shoulder presses but if you think that pressing 4 plates per side of the Hammer Strength shoulder press isn't going to get you big you're insane, EVERY guy i've ever seen using big weight with GOOD FORM on those machines was huge.

[QuakerOats]

What difference does it make what Cormier says? Is he a expert on weightlifting? Is there any science behind anything that
a bodybuilder or a ghost writer says in a bodybuilding magazine? I can't believe anybody takes any of the shit they read in
those rags seriously... I agree with the fact that if you can press 4 plates per side on a hammer strength machine for 8-12
reps you will have some size to you.

you just agreed with everything we've been saying with the second half of your post, look, i think free weights are superior FOR ME but machines are an awesome tool no doubt about it.

[polychronopolous]

What difference does it make what Cormier says? Is he a expert on weightlifting? Is there any science behind anything that

Bro, wtf are you talking about??? I guarantee Chris Cormier has been to more weightlifting seminars that you have.

[mass 04]

If i had to pick, i'd use free weights. They make up the majority of my w/o, but to say that machines don't build muscle is stupid IMO.

[QuakerOats]

Bro, wtf are you talking about??? I guarantee Chris Cormier has been to more weightlifting seminars that you have.

not to mention that there's video of him flat pressing a pair of 200 pound db's for reps and barbell inclining 405 for 8-10 reps.

[triple_pickle]

i have not used a machine in a long time, i guess you may gain some size, the problem is the majority of those who use machines are recreational or weekend lifters and they will never get any size even if they switched to free weights.

[Bobby]

free weights stimulate more muscle fibers because of the balance

undeniable fact or = cat deniable

[drkaje]

Since the weight is preloaded it's hard to say.

I doubt someone able to rep out with 6 plates can do the same thing with 270lbs on the flat bench.

I'm sure they add muscle/strength, though.

[cross-of-iron]

Bro, wtf are you talking about??? I guarantee Chris Cormier has been to more weightlifting seminars that you have.

Weightlifting seminars or bodybuilding seminars?

[polychronopolous]

free weights stimulate more muscle fibers because of the balance

undeniable fact or = cat deniable

Too broad of a statement. There are MANY other factors involved.

[drkaje]

free weights stimulate more muscle fibers because of the balance

undeniable fact or = cat deniable

You have to recruit more stabilizers but it's possible 'Hammer Strength' isolate major muscles to a better extent.

[cross-of-iron]

free weights stimulate more muscle fibers because of the balance

undeniable fact or = cat deniable

Not to mention the affect it has on your stabilizers, tendons and cns.

[Bobby]

Too broad of a statement. There are MANY other factors involved.

lets say you do DB press for delts with 90lbs dumbells and load up a machine with 2 45s on each side.

8 reps on both, I guarantee the dbs will be harder!

[cross-of-iron]

You have to recruit more stabilizers but it's possible 'Hammer Strength' isolate major muscles to a better extent.

Let me explain something to you people. You're not isolating any paticular muscle when doing a pressing movement especially
your chest whether you're using free weights or a machine. The majority of the bench press is triceps and shoulders.

[drkaje]

lets say you do DB press for delts with 90lbs dumbells and load up a machine with 2 45s on each side.

8 reps on both, I guarantee the dbs will be harder!

The dbs will be 'harder' because small shoulder muscles will exhaust themselves stabilizing the weight. A lot of people forget the arm is only connected by one true joint, the rest are physiological. They're not the same but Hammer type machines probably isolate the muscles a little more.

[tbombz]

well i believe 90% of getbiggers also said they would not fuck tara reid after they say the cellulite on her ass.

[drkaje]

well i believe 90% of getbiggers also said they would not fuck tara reid after they say the cellulite on her ass.

A lot of them probably find pretty women 'icky'.