"I never use machines in the gym." quote from 90% of Getbiggers

[pumpster]

I'm gettin great workouts using machines in most cases. In some cases the muscle's gettin hit harder than with weights.

[The Coach]

I'm gettin great workouts using machines in most cases. In some cases the muscle's gettin hit harder than with weights.

Goin heavy on the ol' Bowflex are ya ?

[pumpster]

Goin heavy on the ol' Bowflex are ya ?

Bowflex obsessed lol whatever works for ya coach!

[QuakerOats]

i have a feeling that people would get a BIG surprise if they saw a pic of Pumpster, something tells me he's a big mofo.

[pumpster]

i have a feeling that people would get a BIG surprise if they saw a pic of Pumpster, something tells me he's a big mofo.

Thanks bro. I do still look like a BB in my late 40s, still go heavy on any exercise that the joints will allow, what more can ya ask? 

Tomorrow will be a serious tanning day..

[QuakerOats]

Thanks bro. I do still look like a BB in my late 40s, still go heavy on any exercise that the joints will allow, what more can ya ask? 

exactly, you obviously know what you're talking about when it comes to this stuff.

[mesmorph78]

In my opinion... Free weights are superior.... they build better strength.. and give better size...
but i use machines but only After Ive pounded my muscles with heavy free wights...  if you want dense muscle with good quality... gotta hit the free weights first...
The main bodypart where i have noticed a lot of guys will use machines everytime in lieu of free weights... is Back.. most guys hate deads.. rows and chins... because they are HARD they will do seated row... and countless lat pulldowns...
Saying that when i went to miami.... i gotta say i came across some awesome machines... I was like a kid in a candy store but when i did train i did freeweights first and foremost

[pumpster]

Saying that when i went to miami.... i gotta say i came across some awesome machines... I was like a kid in a candy store but when i did train i did freeweights first and foremost

That's the thing right there...**IF** you find the right machine there's a huge difference from another that's so-so. The design matters big-time, which is why you have examples like the pullover machine and hack squats where machines are clearly better. The machines that aren't that great don't have great designs and aren't indicative of what's possible. A lot of machines have mediocre designs, don't seem to be designed by someone who actually works out.

If a former Olympic lifter like Sergio can say the machines he used were often better than weights for development, that tells you something. With the right designs.

[The Coach]

 Free Weight = functional

machines = non - functional

[pumpster]

Free Weight = functional

machines = non - functional

Arguably more important in sports applications, otherwise moot. Even for sports it's debatable, since no one is actually using a BB during sports lol

That whole stabilizer argument's unproven, plus there are counter-arguments to it. If stabilizers were really that important, no one would use BBs, only DBs.

[drkaje]

Arguably more important in sports applications, otherwise moot. Even for sports it's debatable, since no one is actually using a BB during sports lol

That whole stabilizer argument's unproven, plus there are counter-arguments to it. If stabilizers were really that important, no one would use BBs, only DBs.

If stabilizers weren't important people who can bench 225lbs would be doing 110lb DB presses.

[The Coach]

Arguably more important in sports applications, otherwise moot. Even for sports it's debatable, since no one is actually using a BB during sports lol

That whole stabilizer argument's unproven, plus there are counter-arguments to it. If stabilizers were really that important, no one would use BBs, only DBs.

LOL....actually I don't know very many people who will disagree let alone argue that point successfully.

[Meso_z]

I prefer free and machines mixed.


for example for back i do 3 exercises free weight and 1 with a machine.

[Mars]

always funny to see someone doing a whole bodypart on machines.

[JasonH]

I train my entire hamstrings and my entire calves on machines.

Maybe that explains why they are shit.

[Mars]

I train my entire hamstrings and my entire calves on machines.

Maybe that explains why they are shit.

maybe you dont believe in donkey raises?

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

I don't have machines in my gym. 

[Mars]

I don't have machines in my gym. 

cheap basterd.

[Mons Venus]

 

Settle down "cock-of-anus", it's not that serious... 4 plates.... I frequently do that and bench twice the amount you mentioned for reps...

All you talk about is COCK. Hummm....  

[Team Diver]

I like to use free weights with fake plates.

[Cavalier22]

i've never even set foot inside a gym so i can't really comment either way

i just take massive amounts of AAS and beat off to bodybuilding rags

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

cheap basterd.

15 e p/m. 

[basurablanco]

i've never even set foot inside a gym so i can't really comment either way

i just take massive amounts of AAS and beat off to bodybuilding rags

I just shit in a bucket and throw it on people as they walk by.

[pumpster]

If stabilizers weren't important people who can bench 225lbs would be doing 110lb DB presses.

Your example only shows that there's somewhat of a difference in the amounts lifted, nothing to do with difference in development using one or the other.

Same thing with machine weight vs. free weight, the amounts lifted vary, which doesn't really matter. Just add or subtract a little resistance and you have the equivalent. Doesn't have to be the same. And if going from machines to free weights the amounts lifted will initially be lower, then go up in a few workouts to around the same thing as the body aclimates.

[drkaje]

Your example only shows that there's somewhat of a difference in the amounts lifted, nothing to do with difference in development using one or the other.

Same thing with machine weight vs. free weight, the amounts lifted vary, which doesn't really matter. Just add or subtract a little resistance and you have the equivalent. Doesn't have to be the same. And if going from machines to free weights the amounts lifted will initially be lower, then go up in a few workouts to around the same thing as the body aclimates.

The acclimation you speak of is due to the stabilizers getting stronger.

You see plenty of guys doing 200lbs on the flat bench but not a lot with 100lb dbs in each hand for a reason. Aside from how big a pain in the ass kicking the weights up is.