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« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2009, 12:43:10 PM »
And you have the balls call anyone else dumb????????????

China is near a recession depression itself over the global melt down and cant even feed all its people. 

And I am happy to see you are looking to a communist country with slave wages, no EPA, no labor laws, no enviro-nazis, no EEOC, no ERA, no unions, etc.

Is that the direction we should go???




What are you talking about? ::)

We owe China $1.4 trillion dollars.

China will prosper through this economic downturn. Do some research before you try to debate.

 


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« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2009, 12:57:24 PM »
So I guess we should lower the minimum wage, get rid of all labor laws, get rid of all environmental laws, get rid of the unions like China has???

You clowns fawning over a communist dictatorship are amazing. 

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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2009, 01:19:50 PM »
So I guess we should lower the minimum wage, get rid of all labor laws, get rid of all environmental laws, get rid of the unions like China has???

You clowns fawning over a communist dictatorship are amazing. 


What the fvck are you talking about?

As The Luke posted, educate yourself.

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« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2009, 01:25:36 PM »
What the fvck are you talking about?

As The Luke posted, educate yourself.

China is not taking anything over.  They need us as much as we need them. 

They are hurting very much from the slow down as much as anyone else.

Like I said:

What do they do different than us???

1.  Slave wages
2.  Child Labor
3.  No EPA
4.  No environmental regs.
5.  No labor unions
6.  very low standard of living.

Also, their GDP is nowheres nears ours.

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« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2009, 01:29:17 PM »
The responses in this thread are textbook examples of what I was addressing.

Ignorant... uneducated... dysgenic... and proud of it.


America is not #1 anymore... the fact that Americans don't know this, is a symptom of the process at work.



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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2009, 01:33:32 PM »
The responses in this thread are textbook examples of what I was addressing.

Ignorant... uneducated... dysgenic... and proud of it.


America is not #1 anymore... the fact that Americans don't know this, is a symptom of the process at work.



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I agree.

The problem is we as Americans have taken our way of life for granted.

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« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2009, 01:34:23 PM »
The responses in this thread are textbook examples of what I was addressing.

Ignorant... uneducated... dysgenic... and proud of it.


America is not #1 anymore... the fact that Americans don't know this, is a symptom of the process at work.



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China is number 1????

most of their people are peasants and farmers.


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« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2009, 01:40:12 PM »
China is number 1????

most of their people are peasants and farmers.



Dude, the Chinese are starting to realize they don't need America any longer. Do some research.

When they wright us off we're done.

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« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2009, 01:44:25 PM »
Dude, the Chinese are starting to realize they don't need America any longer. Do some research.

When they wright us off we're done.

Dont get me wrong, I think we have dug our own grave in many areas.  This was done since the late 1960's.

However, I dont think it is a foregone conclusion that China is our successor.  They have many many problems themselves. 

We have saddled ourselves with insane taxes, regulations, costs, and stupid trade policies that spell doom for us, not to mention entitlements to baby boomers that will put the icing on the cake.

I agree with you that we are screwed, but just for different reasons.   

   

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« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2009, 01:59:26 PM »
China is number 1????

most of their people are peasants and farmers.

...China hasn't overtaken the US (yet). But they are progressing very quickly, meanwhile America is regressing at an alarming rate.

The American Dollar is backed (for all intents and purposes) by 8,000 tons of gold bullion (Fort Knox), the Chinese Yuan is backed by less than 1,000 tons... but China just bought another 4,000 tons this last month, and they paid cash for it too.

When was the last time America paid cash for something?

So China hasn't overtaken America just yet... but it might before 2030, and almost definitely by 2050. Contrarily, Dr Jared Diamond ("Guns Germs and Steel" and "Collapse; How Societies Choose to fail or Succeed") gives the US a 50/50 chance of surviving till 2050.



However, despite the beliefs of redneck Republicans, Japan; Australia; Scandinavia; Canada; and the vast majority of European countries have ALREADY overtaken the US in every measurable positive living index.

Americans don't have the high standard of living they think they have, they just have lots of mega-rich plutocrats bringing up the average.


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« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2009, 02:08:25 PM »
I am not disagreeing with you on all those things and think that our uber-rich class have done more to sell us out than any other group. 

Whether it be Rick Rubin, George Soros, Paulson, Buffet, Gates, Greenspan, GWB, Corzine, et al, they have all conspired in one way or another to screw us over.  They are "citizens of the world".

I am speaking as a small business owner when I tell you that we are already taxed to death, pay a ton in energy costs, real estate taxes, and have little or nothing to show for it.  As a nation, the US taxpayer is getting royally ripped off by the government.

We are basically screwed as a nation because we will soon have almost as many retirees as workers and that is a recipee for disaster for any nation.



 

 

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« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2009, 02:44:53 PM »
I am speaking as a small business owner when I tell you that we are already taxed to death, pay a ton in energy costs, real estate taxes, and have little or nothing to show for it.  As a nation, the US taxpayer is getting royally ripped off by the government.

We are basically screwed as a nation because we will soon have almost as many retirees as workers and that is a recipee for disaster for any nation.

...petrol/diesel is twice the price in Europe (300% tax on gasoline). Americans pay about two thirds of the tax Europeans pay.

America is not being ripped off... the USA insists on paying out 60% of GDP on the military.


Again, educate yourself... it is the ignorance of the American public (such as yourself) that is the true downfall of America.

Educate yourself... or keep voting Palin till you're living in a Bushville.


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« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2009, 04:43:56 PM »
That's right Americans dont pay

SALES TAX
FICA TAX
REAL ESTATE TAX
ENERGY TAX
GAS TAX
INCOME TAX
SOCIAL SECURITY TAX
CAPITAL GAINS TAXES
STATE TAXES
FEES & USE TAXES
PHONE TAX
DEATH TAXES
WORKERS COMPENSATION COSTS
UNEMPLOYMENT TAXES


You are the fool who has no idea what the heck you are talking about.  I own two businesses and understand far more than you ever will about the cost of doing business in this country which is killing us.

Why do you think companies off shore so much work?????  Taxes and costs. 

Let me know what companies you own or have managed and then talk to me.   

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« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2009, 05:01:06 PM »
You are the fool who has no idea what the heck you are talking about.  I own two businesses and understand far more than you ever will about the cost of doing business in this country which is killing us.

Why do you think companies off shore so much work?????  Taxes and costs. 

Let me know what companies you own or have managed and then talk to me.   

...almost every European citizen pays more tax (percentage wise) than his American counterpart.

Again, if you don't know this... educate yourself.



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« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2009, 05:18:40 PM »
China is not taking anything over.  They need us as much as we need them. 

They are hurting very much from the slow down as much as anyone else.

Like I said:

What do they do different than us???

1.  Slave wages
2.  Child Labor
3.  No EPA
4.  No environmental regs.
5.  No labor unions
6.  very low standard of living.

Also, their GDP is nowheres nears ours.


7.  Government owned real estate
8.  Religious persecution
9.  Censorship
10. Forced abortions and population control

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« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2009, 05:35:01 PM »
1.  Slave wages
2.  Child Labor
3.  No EPA
4.  No environmental regs.
5.  No labor unions
6.  very low standard of living.

7.  Government owned real estate
8.  Religious persecution
9.  Censorship
10. Forced abortions and population control

...behold: America 2050. (best add in race wars and rampant gun crime too)


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« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2009, 06:38:33 PM »
...China hasn't overtaken the US (yet). But they are progressing very quickly, meanwhile America is regressing at an alarming rate.

The American Dollar is backed (for all intents and purposes) by 8,000 tons of gold bullion (Fort Knox), the Chinese Yuan is backed by less than 1,000 tons... but China just bought another 4,000 tons this last month, and they paid cash for it too.

When was the last time America paid cash for something?

So China hasn't overtaken America just yet... but it might before 2030, and almost definitely by 2050. Contrarily, Dr Jared Diamond ("Guns Germs and Steel" and "Collapse; How Societies Choose to fail or Succeed") gives the US a 50/50 chance of surviving till 2050.



However, despite the beliefs of redneck Republicans, Japan; Australia; Scandinavia; Canada; and the vast majority of European countries have ALREADY overtaken the US in every measurable positive living index.

Americans don't have the high standard of living they think they have, they just have lots of mega-rich plutocrats bringing up the average.


The Luke

I agree with you on some things. Watching China grow this quickly is like watching what America was during the industiral revolution. Speaking of which:

No, that's a Chinese girl working in a factory.




Smell the American fresh air. I bet no one cared about dumping a few hundred thousend barrells of sludge in the water back then.



the similarities are the same when comparring wage, unions, enviromental laws, etc...

China is just starting to take off, the middle class is growing, people are demanding more, China's economy is expected to grow by 10 percent in 2009, despite the global reccession, what other nation can say that?



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« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2009, 09:01:33 PM »
...almost every European citizen pays more tax (percentage wise) than his American counterpart.

Again, if you don't know this... educate yourself.



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America and Europe are two completely different animals. 

BTW - did you even watch the movie?

It is very clear that the social welfare state is bankrupting us and simply is not sustainable.

You post about China?  Are you freaking kidding?  Those people live in tiny apartments and on farms by and large and that is what you point to as progress?


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« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2009, 09:28:06 PM »
America and Europe are two completely different animals. 

BTW - did you even watch the movie?

It is very clear that the social welfare state is bankrupting us and simply is not sustainable.

You post about China?  Are you freaking kidding?  Those people live in tiny apartments and on farms by and large and that is what you point to as progress?



Many Americans also live in "tiny apartments."




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« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2009, 12:56:07 AM »
BTW - did you even watch the movie?

It is very clear that the social welfare state is bankrupting us and simply is not sustainable.

...if Americans had a French style universal healthcare system then the average American would be much better off. The French have the best healthcare system in the world (whereas America has the 37th best), yet they pay only about 60% of what Americans pay in their competitive; efficient; free-market system.

...if the American food industry was regulated as tightly as the Germans are regulating the European food supply then the average American would be maybe 20 or 30 lbs lighter and 3 or 4 IQ points smarter.

...if America had a decent livable minimum wage crime might well be lessened enough that America would no longer be the country with the largest prison population per capita on the planet.

...if America had less wealth disparity then maybe it wouldn't need the highest ratio of police officers to civilians of any country on the planet.

...if America had a better public education system then maybe I wouldn't have to argue the bare-faced socio-political realities of America's collapse to the delusional propaganda-loving morons who are the root cause of all this.

See where I'm going with this? America needs MORE socialism, not less.


"...the social welfare state is bankrupting us..." 333386 you are a fool.

Firstly, America doesn't have a "welfare state" and secondly, socialist countries all around the world are overtaking America with less wealth; less resources and much bigger demographic problems.

If Germany; France; Norway; Sweden; Finland; Ireland; Spain; Denmark; Switzerland; Japan etc etc can all provide much better benefits, working less hours per week (on average), with less GDP, the burdens of better (more costly) education and health system... the question becomes: Where is America loosing the money? 


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« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2009, 07:11:02 AM »
...if Americans had a French style universal healthcare system then the average American would be much better off. The French have the best healthcare system in the world (whereas America has the 37th best), yet they pay only about 60% of what Americans pay in their competitive; efficient; free-market system.

...if the American food industry was regulated as tightly as the Germans are regulating the European food supply then the average American would be maybe 20 or 30 lbs lighter and 3 or 4 IQ points smarter.

...if America had a decent livable minimum wage crime might well be lessened enough that America would no longer be the country with the largest prison population per capita on the planet.

...if America had less wealth disparity then maybe it wouldn't need the highest ratio of police officers to civilians of any country on the planet.

...if America had a better public education system then maybe I wouldn't have to argue the bare-faced socio-political realities of America's collapse to the delusional propaganda-loving morons who are the root cause of all this.

See where I'm going with this? America needs MORE socialism, not less.


"...the social welfare state is bankrupting us..." 333386 you are a fool.

Firstly, America doesn't have a "welfare state" and secondly, socialist countries all around the world are overtaking America with less wealth; less resources and much bigger demographic problems.

If Germany; France; Norway; Sweden; Finland; Ireland; Spain; Denmark; Switzerland; Japan etc etc can all provide much better benefits, working less hours per week (on average), with less GDP, the burdens of better (more costly) education and health system... the question becomes: Where is America loosing the money? 


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Idiot - did you watch the movie???????

Obviously not. 

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« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2009, 10:43:01 AM »
...if Americans had a French style universal healthcare system then the average American would be much better off. The French have the best healthcare system in the world (whereas America has the 37th best), yet they pay only about 60% of what Americans pay in their competitive; efficient; free-market system.

...if the American food industry was regulated as tightly as the Germans are regulating the European food supply then the average American would be maybe 20 or 30 lbs lighter and 3 or 4 IQ points smarter.

...if America had a decent livable minimum wage crime might well be lessened enough that America would no longer be the country with the largest prison population per capita on the planet.

...if America had less wealth disparity then maybe it wouldn't need the highest ratio of police officers to civilians of any country on the planet.

...if America had a better public education system then maybe I wouldn't have to argue the bare-faced socio-political realities of America's collapse to the delusional propaganda-loving morons who are the root cause of all this.

See where I'm going with this? America needs MORE socialism, not less.


"...the social welfare state is bankrupting us..." 333386 you are a fool.

Firstly, America doesn't have a "welfare state" and secondly, socialist countries all around the world are overtaking America with less wealth; less resources and much bigger demographic problems.

If Germany; France; Norway; Sweden; Finland; Ireland; Spain; Denmark; Switzerland; Japan etc etc can all provide much better benefits, working less hours per week (on average), with less GDP, the burdens of better (more costly) education and health system... the question becomes: Where is America loosing the money? 


The Luke

Now you have gone of the deep end with some of your comments.

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« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2009, 11:53:30 AM »
Idiot - did you watch the movie???????

Obviously not. 

Now you have gone of the deep end with some of your comments.


...okay, you guys are right.

Wonder if you guys can explain why Germany; France; Norway; Sweden; Finland are NOT bankrupt?


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« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2009, 12:06:10 PM »

...okay, you guys are right.

Wonder if you guys can explain why Germany; France; Norway; Sweden; Finland are NOT bankrupt?


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1.  First off we have 300 million people.  Those countries combined dont have a fraction of that.  Many of our citizens are on welfare of one form or another, whether it be medicaire, medicaid, social security, section 8, wic, food stamps, etc.   

2.  Those countries have a homogenious population and dont have a perpetual underclass like we do.  The sad truth is that we have a segment of the population that will never elevate itself. 

3.  Since the 1960's our country has made terrible financial choices in coming up with medicaid, medicare, and other entitlement programs that foster laziness and fraud.

4.  Our education establishment is the heigh of mediocrity due to teachers unions, cultural influences, and other issues.  Thus, we have millions and millions of uneducated people dropping out of HS or are otherwise illiterate.

5.  We waste money like there is no tommorow.

6.  Social Security is a ponzi scheme like that of Madoff.  It was created when life expectancy was much less and there were far more workers than retirees.  With the Baby Boom generation, we have a financial nuclear bomb about to be exploded on the USA.

If you watched the movie, which obviously you did not, the facts, figures, etc are all laid out on the table.

   
     

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« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2009, 01:25:05 PM »
1.  First off we have 300 million people.  Those countries combined dont have a fraction of that.  Many of our citizens are on welfare of one form or another, whether it be medicaire, medicaid, social security, section 8, wic, food stamps, etc.

...Europe (the European Union of EU) has 500 million people. Population does NOT explain America's wealth disparity. A lack of social spending does.

Europe's 500 million people have rebuilt a bombed and blitzed continent from rubble, with loans from the USA, which have been paid back in full. Meanwhile America, having never been invaded; bombed or bankrupted has squandered every opportunity. America is vehemently capitalist... the success in Europe is centred around countries so socialist Americans would (erroneously) deem them communist.

Some think Food Stamps are a symptom of a chronically lazy; entitled and coddled underclass (translation: urban black people). This is far from the truth. The way I see it, the need for a Food stamp Program is the proof positive that America's benefit system is inadequate.

You see endemic laziness... I see a population reduced to penury which is now on the brink of starvation.

Who is seeing the big picture and who is indulging his lazy prejudices?

2.  Those countries have a homogenious population and dont have a perpetual underclass like we do.  The sad truth is that we have a segment of the population that will never elevate itself. 

...the EU has 23 different official languages. How homogeneous is that? 15% of Sweden's population (for example) are non-nationals (not born in Sweden).

Here in Ireland we opened our borders to migrant workers during the housing boom, within a year 500,000 immigrants had moved to Ireland increasing our population from 4m to 4.5m... could America tolerate an influx of Polish equal to 10% of the population?

Again, lack of proper socialist policies has created the "underclass" you refer to. To eliminate such a disparity you need MORE social spending (better schools; better unions; better benefits), not less.

3.  Since the 1960's our country has made terrible financial choices in coming up with medicaid, medicare, and other entitlement programs that foster laziness and fraud.

...that's a strange way of looking at it.

The way I see it an entrenched cleptocratic corpocracy has worked very hard to slowly siphon off America's wealth and prevent any proper wealth redistribution: essentially instituting a quasi-neo-feudalism... reducing a society of equals to two distinct classes: serfs and aristocrats.

America now has an appalling wealth disparity; chronic lack of opportunity (poor education and restricted social mobility) and an institutional underclass.

Blaming the victims is exactly what those who benefit from this two-tier status quo want.

Again, this situation can only be fixed by significantly higher taxes and more social spending.

4.  Our education establishment is the heigh of mediocrity due to teachers unions, cultural influences, and other issues.  Thus, we have millions and millions of uneducated people dropping out of HS or are otherwise illiterate.

...and who benefits from this?

Blaming the unions doesn't explain why most other westernized countries spent far more on education per capita than America does? The "Greedy Teachers" argument rings hollow.

5.  We waste money like there is no tommorow.

...Agreed. But the bulk of the waste is in the form of tax cuts for corporations and the super rich and military spending. Social spending is not necessarily waste.

6.  Social Security is a ponzi scheme like that of Madoff.  It was created when life expectancy was much less and there were far more workers than retirees.  With the Baby Boom generation, we have a financial nuclear bomb about to be exploded on the USA.

...if the money was ring-fenced (like Germany does) this wouldn't be an issue. But it wasn't.

If you think this money was squandered on the poor and your education system you are misguided... Vietnam; Korea; the Cold War; Iraq; Afghanistan; the so-called Wars on Drugs and Terrorism, these are your culprits.


Why are Americans so frightened of the system that has allowed so many backwater countries to overtake them in the last 50 years?

Is it the word "socialism" itself? Could we rename it "Obamism"? ..."Jebusism"?

..."Patriotism"?



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