Why aren't white people allowed to be proud?

[drkaje]

So I'm watching this show and a guy says "I'm a proud black man" and the wheels start turning. They would have never let a white dude say that shit and if he managed to slip it in everyone would cry "racist". It's not like anyone would have thought he was Asian or something.

I don't give a fuck what people are but still find this kind shit stupid.

[chaos]

RACIST!!!!!!!!!
 

[drkaje]

I never pull that shit and am sticking to the lame bet Beserk and you goaded me into over turning in my race card if Obama won.

[MisterMagoo]

historical context, mainly. hangovers from the pre-civil rights era when "i am a proud white man" was generally followed with "and i don't want to see my race mongrelized". i would argue, though, that most people can say "i'm a proud white man" these days, and it's more things like the phrase "white pride" that has a different connotation.

basically, you can thank the anti-abolitionists, segregationists, KKK members, and the "native american" movement (back before the phrase was foisted upon american indians) for the stigma "white pride" has. when people use it to mean "white supremacy" for a few hundred years, there's usually some holdovers. you can bet your ass if america had a history wherein blacks had subjugated whites and formed clans that roamed the country lynching whites and setting them on fire, "white pride" wouldn't go over well.

eventually things will heal over, we're certainly in a FAR less tense time than the 1960s were, but don't expect it to all patch up when people who haven't even retired yet can remember having firehoses turned on them just for their color, y'know?

[chaos]

historical context, mainly. hangovers from the pre-civil rights era when "i am a proud white man" was generally followed with "and i don't want to see my race mongrelized". i would argue, though, that most people can say "i'm a proud white man" these days, and it's more things like the phrase "white pride" that has a different connotation.

basically, you can thank the anti-abolitionists, segregationists, KKK members, and the "native american" movement (back before the phrase was foisted upon american indians) for the stigma "white pride" has. when people use it to mean "white supremacy" for a few hundred years, there's usually some holdovers. you can bet your ass if america had a history wherein blacks had subjugated whites and formed clans that roamed the country lynching whites and setting them on fire, "white pride" wouldn't go over well.

eventually things will heal over, we're certainly in a FAR less tense time than the 1960s were, but don't expect it to all patch up when people who haven't even retired yet can remember having firehoses turned on them just for their color, y'know?

They had firehoses turned on them because they were in the way and would not disperse.

BTW my dad got popped for drunk driving in the 70's and they firehosed him down in a cell.

[MisterMagoo]

They had firehoses turned on them because they were in the way and would not disperse.

BTW my dad got popped for drunk driving in the 70's and they firehosed him down in a cell.

some did, some didn't. it was a shitty era and there's still a lot of resentment.

which is a PITA because it's creating a reverse situation where whites are (rightfully) feeling stifled because "common decency" limits what they can say and think in a way that doesn't apply to the rest. when you're born post-1967 and trying to figure out why the hell Chris Rock can say "all you cracka-ass motherfuckin' crackas in this audience" and get applause but Michael Richards had to apologize on five different news stations for yelling at some hecklers it can cause a hell of a lot of anger.

it pisses me off too, mang. i just try and and ignore it.

[drkaje]

I find taking pride in things beyond our control silly.

[MisterMagoo]

I find taking pride in things beyond our control silly.

"I dont understand this notion of ethnic pride. “Proud to be Irish,” “Puerto Rican pride,” “Black Pride.” It seems to me that pride should be reserved for accomplishments; things you attain or achieve, not things that happen to you by chance. Being Irish isn’t a skill; Its genetic. You wouldn’t say, “Im proud to have brown hair,” or “I’m proud to be short and stocky.” So why the fuck would you say you’re proud to be Irish? I’m Irish, but Im not particularly proud of it. Just Glad! Goddamn glad to be Irish!"

- george carlin

 

[wolfgang187]

WHITE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN RUNNING THE SHOW THATS IT

[Fury]

I never pull that shit and am sticking to the lame bet Beserk and you goaded me into over turning in my race card if Obama won.

LOL.

I find taking pride in things beyond our control silly.

I agree. Especially the people who hold onto that "pride" despite the fact that their lives are miserable, they live in squalor and can't handle basic arithmetic. It's a big joke.

[MisterMagoo]

I agree. Especially the people who hold onto that "pride" despite the fact that their lives are miserable, they live in squalor and can't handle basic arithmetic. It's a big joke.

funny thing is... those are the ONLY people who do that. whether it's the thugs in detroit or the trailer trash in tennessee, the people who hang on the hardest to ethnic pride are always the life losers that have nothing else to be proud about. generally speaking if your life has much merit to it then you've got other things to identify yourself with than what color your parents happened to be.

[Fury]

funny thing is... those are the ONLY people who do that. whether it's the thugs in detroit or the trailer trash in tennessee, the people who hang on the hardest to ethnic pride are always the life losers that have nothing else to be proud about. generally speaking if your life has much merit to it then you've got other things to identify yourself with than what color your parents happened to be.

You're right. They cling it so fiercely because that's all they have to justify their continued existence on this planet.

I find this interesting though because racism, bigotry and nationalism seems to be on the rise across the board. Granted I'm not even innocent with my anti-muslim rants.

[drkaje]

LOL.

Who knew!?

[chaos]

funny thing is... those are the ONLY people who do that. whether it's the thugs in detroit or the trailer trash in tennessee, the people who hang on the hardest to ethnic pride are always the life losers that have nothing else to be proud about. generally speaking if your life has much merit to it then you've got other things to identify yourself with than what color your parents happened to be.

Don't be so sure on that. I know business owners and a doctor who take great pride in being white. they may not scream it up and down the street or make alot of noise about it, but a couple of them wear it on their skin and have no qualms about discussing it.

[MisterMagoo]

You're right. They cling it so fiercely because that's all they got the justify their continued existence on this planet.

I find this interesting though because racism, bigotry and nationalism seems to be on the rise across the board. Granted I'm not even innocent with my anti-muslim rants.

well there's a pretty good reason for that. right now i'd argue racial/national tensions on the more global scale are as high as they've been since maybe vietnam. with many seeing the 'war on terror' as a damn-near war for humanity itself (both sides) it ain't surprising that you've got people over here saying islam should be eradicated for world safety and muslims over there saying islam should reign supreme over the hateful americans. 9/11 did to islam what pearl harbor did to the japanese.

throw into the mix a black president-elect with "ties" to the muslim world and israel/palestine exploding and you've got the makings for a melting pot that's gonna burst into flames.

[Option D]

Don't be so sure on that. I know business owners and a doctor who take great pride in being white. they may not scream it up and down the street or make alot of noise about it, but a couple of them wear it on their skin and have no qualms about discussing it.

Well i get both sides. I dont think people should take proud of being a certian skin color..Thats just dumb. But being proud of your accomplishments is different.

Also The black pride or puerto rican pride (im both) came as more of a slap in the face to those who were black or puerto rican and thinking and acting like they had to be as close as they can to being white. Blacks like to straighten hair in order to look more white and a black man would show his pride in being black by growing an afro or dreads just to show that you dont have to whiten yourself to accomplish great things

[MisterMagoo]

Also The black pride or puerto rican pride (im both) came as more of a slap in the face to those who were black or puerto rican and thinking and acting like they had to be as close as they can to being white. Blacks like to straighten hair in order to look more white and a black man would show his pride in being black by growing an afro or dreads just to show that you dont have to whiten yourself to accomplish great things

good point. it emphasizes the "accomplishment" part, too. you're allowed to show pride if you've done something and still held onto your heritage despite the obstacles that comes with, but the heritage itself isn't enough.

[Fury]

well there's a pretty good reason for that. right now i'd argue racial/national tensions on the more global scale are as high as they've been since maybe vietnam. with many seeing the 'war on terror' as a damn-near war for humanity itself (both sides) it ain't surprising that you've got people over here saying islam should be eradicated for world safety and muslims over there saying islam should reign supreme over the hateful americans. 9/11 did to islam what pearl harbor did to the japanese.

throw into the mix a black president-elect with "ties" to the muslim world and israel/palestine exploding and you've got the makings for a melting pot that's gonna burst into flames.

Yup, with the increasing anti-Muslim sentiment that's been gaining more and more steam in Europe/USA and the 50/50, 60/40 or so divide between people on the Palestinian/Israel conflict, you've got some massive catalysts for those movements. Couple that with the continuing influx of Muslim immigrants into Europe and the next five years will be interesting.

It pisses me off though because these stupid fucking conflicts are taking away from the real problem, like our economy. Constant news coverage of the Israel shit yet I've not seen any article or news regarding the start to the year with the economy since the fighting broke out.

[MisterMagoo]

economic issues don't get the same ratings as the rest. news is a business these days and video of an explosion in Gaza with some ten year old girl that lost her parents will get more viewers than a careful discussion about how the SEC's inaction regarding oversight led to a wall street collapse.

hell i readily admit that my grip on economics is poor because there's so little discussion of it in most media outlets. now, i can probably tell you blow-by-blows of the hamas/israel conflict or the mumbai bombings, since CNN just loves to show explosions nonstop. i try to act like i'm less of a sound byte junkie than my friends that watch E!, but in the end my bytes just pretend to be more important.

[wolfgang187]

How many are actually paying attention to this?

There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You Call me White boy, Cracker, Honkey, Whitey, Caveman. And that's OK.

But when I call you, black, Towel head, Sand-black, Camel Jockey, guy, Gook, or Chink...
You call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi You have the NAACP. You have BET.

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) — We'd be racists.

If we had a White Pride Day — You would call us racists.

If we had White History Month — We'd be racists.

If we had any organization for only whites to "advance OUR lives" — You would call us racists.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that?

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships You know we'd be racists.

There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US , yet if there were a "White college" THAT would be a racist college.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching For your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights,
You would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're Not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride.
You call us racists.

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer Shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society. You call him a racist.
I am proud and white.
But, you call me a racist.

Ever wonder...
Why is it that only whites can be racists?

While I'm at it, what is wrong with being just normal.

[chaos]

Well i get both sides. I dont think people should take proud of being a certian skin color..Thats just dumb. But being proud of your accomplishments is different.

Also The black pride or puerto rican pride (im both) came as more of a slap in the face to those who were black or puerto rican and thinking and acting like they had to be as close as they can to being white. Blacks like to straighten hair in order to look more white and a black man would show his pride in being black by growing an afro or dreads just to show that you dont have to whiten yourself to accomplish great things

You still bringing your blackarican ass up for legs tomorrow?

[Fury]

economic issues don't get the same ratings as the rest. news is a business these days and video of an explosion in Gaza with some ten year old girl that lost her parents will get more viewers than a careful discussion about how the SEC's inaction regarding oversight led to a wall street collapse.

hell i readily admit that my grip on economics is poor because there's so little discussion of it in most media outlets. now, i can probably tell you blow-by-blows of the hamas/israel conflict or the mumbai bombings, since CNN just loves to show explosions nonstop. i try to act like i'm less of a sound byte junkie than my friends that watch E!, but in the end my bytes just pretend to be more important.

Yeah, I'm pretty tired of reading about it to be honest. I'm burnt out arguing about it as I really just don't care about either of them enough and it's just going to keep going until one eradicates the other.  

Hopefully with the inauguration coming, they'll stfu about it for a few days.

[Alex23]

All pussies have pink lips. That's all I care. The juicier the better.

Except for the japs pussies with coarse hair, I would pass on that.

[Option D]

You still bringing your blackarican ass up for legs tomorrow?

fawk yeah...dont try and kill me. i cant really turn down a challenge, to my my detrament

[SinCitysmallGUY]

Don't be so sure on that. I know business owners and a doctor who take great pride in being white. they may not scream it up and down the street or make alot of noise about it, but a couple of them wear it on their skin and have no qualms about discussing it.

I have Whiteboy tattoed on me. Not because of being a punk or racist. Here's the reason, I grew up around a lot of black dudes and then all the white dudes started hating. told me I thought I was black, so I got the shit tattoed on me. It's still one of my favorite tattoo's... Damn youth I tell ya.