BART cop kills unarmed man - video of the actual murder

[240 is Back]

Regardless of what led up to him being separated from the larger crowd, once he was subdued, why was it necessary to shoot him?  I'm trying to figure out how one justifies that. 

Yeah, I doubt a tazer was even necessary at that point.  Cop probably just wanted to hurt the kid.

Confiscating all cameras => that perhaps shows evidence of a cover-up. I hope they put something down on paper claiming it happened differently than the tape shows, if that was their intent.

Scumbag cops.  It's good that it's receiving this much coverage, however.  This ensures the NEXT time the police gaffle a kid anywhere, thee will be 20 sets of cameras on hin should the unthinkable happen again.

[Rimbaud]

From what I see the cop was completely in the wrong.

But what I don't understand is everyone wants to rag on cops, corrections officers, etc. but very few understand how tough the job can be (physically & mentally). I'd like to see those who bitch about them actually do the job for a week.

[Option D]

Regardless of what led up to him being separated from the larger crowd, once he was subdued, why was it necessary to shoot him?  I'm trying to figure out how one justifies that. 

dont even respond to that lowlife bucket of shit.

[TrapsMcLats]

Regardless of what led up to him being separated from the larger crowd, once he was subdued, why was it necessary to shoot him?  I'm trying to figure out how one justifies that. 

doesn't matter, he shouldn't have put himself in that situation.  If plaxico burress didn't go to a club where he thought he might have to carry a gun, he'd be playing right now.  If black people would stop being such machismo based morons, they'd be fine.  Instead he was in a big fight on public transportation.  I've lived in the bay area for most of my life, i've been on bart thousands of times.  I've never been in a fight. you have to try pretty hard to get in a fight.  he should;ve walked away, but he was probably "disrespected" and decided throwing down was the logical course of action without ever considering the future ramifications of his actions.

[The ChemistV2]

Was that a white guy they shot?  It's rare that anyone ever gives a fuck if the police shoot a white man. 

Looks like it, but it sounds like they were talking "Wigger", so the cop probably got confused.

[Option D]

doesn't matter, he shouldn't have put himself in that situation.  If plaxico burress didn't go to a club where he thought he might have to carry a gun, he'd be playing right now.  If black people would stop being such machismo based morons, they'd be fine.  Instead he was in a big fight on public transportation.  I've lived in the bay area for most of my life, i've been on bart thousands of times.  I've never been in a fight. you have to try pretty hard to get in a fight.  he should;ve walked away, but he was probably "disrespected" and decided throwing down was the logical course of action without ever considering the future ramifications of his actions.

dude just dont type any more. unless you were there dont comment or make assumptions on what happend before the shooting. So shut your trap. Dumb fuck

[TrapsMcLats]

whats so hard about staying out of a fight?  seriously?  machismo/ego gets a lil hurt walking away, but you don't get in TROUBLE WITH THE LAW. shit happens, the best way to avoid trouble is to stay out of it.  The minute you involve yourself in violence on public transit, you're fucking yourself in the ass.

[Option D]

whats so hard about staying out of a fight?  seriously?  machismo/ego gets a lil hurt walking away, but you don't get in TROUBLE WITH THE LAW. shit happens, the best way to avoid trouble is to stay out of it.  The minute you involve yourself in violence on public transit, you're fucking yourself in the ass.

but getting shot in the back by a cop...thats a whole nother level

[Eyeball Chambers]

whats so hard about staying out of a fight?  seriously?  machismo/ego gets a lil hurt walking away, but you don't get in TROUBLE WITH THE LAW. shit happens, the best way to avoid trouble is to stay out of it.  The minute you involve yourself in violence on public transit, you're fucking yourself in the ass.

I agree with you on that, but if this cop would shoot that poor guy, and his fellow officers would conspire to cover it up they would do the same to you or me.    Not that I'd get myself in that situation in the first place.

[TrapsMcLats]

I'm not justifying the cops action, i'm just saying he put himself in harms way unecessarily by breaking the law.  If he had obeyed the law that night, he would be alive.  True?

[nycbull]

i have seen my share of people with razor slashes across their faces because they got into a fight with a stranger...It is not worth it. Just walk away from assholes.

[dkf360]

The official story is that the guy got into a group fight with his homies on Bart at 2am in the morning.  I honestly believe the cop thought he was reaching for his taser.

Nevertheless, I do know that there is now one less criminal off the street.  I'm not losing sleep over this shit.  

[Eyeball Chambers]

I'm not justifying the cops action, i'm just saying he put himself in harms way unecessarily by breaking the law.  If he had obeyed the law that night, he would be alive.  True?

That's equivalent to the people who say "if you're not doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about".  They do shit like that to people like him first (trouble makers), and if left unchecked they do it to people like us (law abiding citizens).

[dkf360]

That's equivalent to the people who say "if you're not doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about".  They do shit like that to people like him first (trouble makers), and if left unchecked they do it to people like us (law abiding citizens).

That's your paranoia speaking.

Honestly, I'd rather oblige to the rules of the local and government authority than to live with wannabe thugs.

[Rudee]

1 less snot nosed punk in the world.  Good riddens I say.

[TrapsMcLats]

That's equivalent to the people who say "if you're not doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about".  They do shit like that to people like him first (trouble makers), and if left unchecked they do it to people like us (law abiding citizens).

Yes, BUT, the fact that he was rounded up by police is not the problem, the problem is that he got shot.  If you watch the video the cop looks surprised as fuck.  accidents happen, and as fucked up as this one may be, it was an accident.  it doesn't change the fact that the dude shouldn't have gotten in a fight on public transit.  I was on BART that nite/morning.  I didnt get in a fight.  People on my car were drinking and smoking weed like every new years eve on bart.  but get a bunch of liquored up homies on a car, someone gets disrespected, fight starts (at this point you have created a mob scene, which means people can get trampled to death, you can get charges up the ass for something like that), police action is required.  Stupidity caused the problem, the end result is extremely unfortunate.  but what if they had walked away?? he'd be alive.

[YoungBlood]

dude just dont type any more. unless you were there dont comment or make assumptions on what happend before the shooting. So shut your trap. Dumb fuck

I'm with Traps on this one.
I've lived here my entire life. I work out a two exits away from where this happened, and I show up at 3am when "the happening" is just getting underway.
I've never been in a fight, I've confronted plenty of people and been confronted too. Never once was there a punch thrown.
It was probably some punk that, like Traps mentioned, felt he was disrespected. Why did he get to his situation? Because he was an idiot- plain and simple. Had he just turned a shoulder and walked away things perhaps would be different. But his stupidity, and thug mentality, put him in the wrong spot at the wrong time.
Now, what happened to him-being shot, is definitely NOT anything he deserves or should receive from anyone-much less an officer of the law. That's the part we now have to deal with.
From the officers viewpoint, he (the policeman) is in a bad neighborhood. The Fruitvale part of town is usually the area where all the shit goes down (and it's immediate surroundings). He's on Bart, at night, and there is a disruption in how things are supposed to operate. The officer is trying to subdue him. Which he did.
From that point on, nobody knows- except that officer- whether it was truly his specific intent to shoot the suspect, or just taze him. If the guy was being unruly, then the officer is allowed to taze him in order to take him away. He didn't look unruly to me, but that's a horrible video.
Maybe the cop did intend to draw his tazer. Maybe he intended to draw his gun. The way he pulled the gun out, and immediately went to firing it, makes me thing he really intended on having his tazer and made the biggest mistake of his life.

[Eyeball Chambers]

Yes, BUT, the fact that he was rounded up by police is not the problem, the problem is that he got shot.  If you watch the video the cop looks surprised as fuck.  accidents happen, and as fucked up as this one may be, it was an accident.  it doesn't change the fact that the dude shouldn't have gotten in a fight on public transit.  I was on BART that nite/morning.  I didnt get in a fight.  People on my car were drinking and smoking weed like every new years eve on bart.  but get a bunch of liquored up homies on a car, someone gets disrespected, fight starts (at this point you have created a mob scene, which means people can get trampled to death, you can get charges up the ass for something like that), police action is required.  Stupidity caused the problem, the end result is extremely unfortunate.  but what if they had walked away?? he'd be alive.

You're right about that, probably extremely tuff as a police officer to deal with these thug wannabe types.

Hope justice is served correctly...  

[arce1988]

  

[Eyeball Chambers]

That's your paranoia speaking.

Nope, it's happened over and over throughout history.  You can't let people abuse their power.

[Option D]

Yes, BUT, the fact that he was rounded up by police is not the problem, the problem is that he got shot.  If you watch the video the cop looks surprised as fuck.  accidents happen, and as fucked up as this one may be, it was an accident.  it doesn't change the fact that the dude shouldn't have gotten in a fight on public transit.  I was on BART that nite/morning.  I didnt get in a fight.  People on my car were drinking and smoking weed like every new years eve on bart.  but get a bunch of liquored up homies on a car, someone gets disrespected, fight starts (at this point you have created a mob scene, which means people can get trampled to death, you can get charges up the ass for something like that), police action is required.  Stupidity caused the problem, the end result is extremely unfortunate.  but what if they had walked away?? he'd be alive.

jesus h christ. Its not the kids fault he got shot.

[tu_holmes]

The official story is that the guy got into a group fight with his homies on Bart at 2am in the morning.  I honestly believe the cop thought he was reaching for his taser.

Nevertheless, I do know that there is now one less criminal off the street.  I'm not losing sleep over this shit.  

Ridiculous... A cop is responsible for a person once they are under THEIR custody.

If you're in cuffs, then you're the cops responsibility... If he shoots you... That's murder.

If you get into a fight with someone because they fuck with you, they'll throw you in cuffs too... Then you can get shot in the back... Sounds like you have it all worked out don't you.

[YoungBlood]

jesus h christ. Its not the kids fault he got shot.

Can you keep debating with relevance, please?

[Eyeball Chambers]

jesus h christ. Its not the kids fault he got shot.

I think all he's saying is that the guy could have avoided this if he wasn't causing trouble in the first place.  Unless the cop apprehended him for no reason?  

[Eyeball Chambers]

Regardless, the cop unjustly murdered someone.