Author Topic: BART cop kills unarmed man - video of the actual murder (Read 56748 times)

Tre · « **Reply #50 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:41:30 PM »

The officer has resigned:

BART officials announced today that the officer involved in the fatal New Year's Day shooting of Oscar Grant III has resigned, effective immediately.

On Monday, Officer Johannes Mehserle's attorney postponed a meeting that had been scheduled by BART investigators for Tuesday and sought to defer the meeting until next week, according to press release from BART.

BART investigators declined the delay and scheduled a meeting with the officer for this morning. At that meeting, the officer's attorney and his union representative submitted his resignation letter. The officer was not present, according to the release from BART.

BART investigators have urged the officer to meet and cooperate with the transit agency's investigation into the fatal shooting, they said.

"This shooting is a tragic event in every respect for all involved," BART General Manager Dorothy Dugger said. "We recognize that the family and friends of Oscar Grant are in mourning and we extend our condolences."

TrapsMcLats · « **Reply #51 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:43:25 PM »

Quote from: big_mal on January 07, 2009, 03:35:50 PM

jesus h christ. Its not the kids fault he got shot.

no, but it is his fault that he put himself in that situation. Its completely unjust and unfair that he is dead, but he decided to break the law that night, did he not?

Option D · « **Reply #52 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:44:41 PM »

Quote from: TrapsMcLats on January 07, 2009, 03:43:25 PM

no, but it is his fault that he put himself in that situation. Its completely unjust and unfair that he is dead, but he decided to break the law that night, did he not?

Yeah but the price he paid for that isnt justified

YoungBlood · « **Reply #53 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:45:56 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on January 07, 2009, 03:39:05 PM

Ridiculous... A cop is responsible for a person once they are under THEIR custody.

If you're in cuffs, then you're the cops responsibility... If he shoots you... That's murder.

If you get into a fight with someone because they fuck with you, they'll throw you in cuffs too... Then you can get shot in the back... Sounds like you have it all worked out don't you.

So, by your theory....

I get arrested for running a red late and nearly hitting a lady pushing her baby carriage. My reasoning is that I'm a whole 5min late for work. Take two lives because my boss is a dick and will write me up for being late the second time this week.
Because I'm already 5min late, I tell the cop I have to get to work immediately and gradually make myself later and later because I can't argue my way out of the ticket. Now, thanks to the cop (doing his job, and protecting the law of me running a red light, and trying to avoid the entire situation in the future), I'm over 45min late. I flip my top.
The officer throws me in cuffs and into the back of the car. Since I'm in the heat of the moment, I'm waaaay more pissed off than usual and decide I'll pick the cuffs, and the squad cars door, and make a run for it. As I run, the cop shoots me and I fall to the ground.
Who's fault is that?
Had I not run the light, nor almost hit a lady & baby, I wouldn't have been more than 45min late for work. Nor would I have been shot, been cuffed or had a ticket for (all added up) resisting arrest, child endangerment, attempted manslaughter, running a red light and excessive speed.
Which would you pick?

Disgusted · « **Reply #54 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:48:15 PM »

Quote from: delta9mda on January 07, 2009, 02:34:41 PM

SHOT IN THE BACK AND HE WAS TIED HANDS AND FEET.

and WTF would you tazer someone who is hogtied? Who wants to bet me this guy gets paid leave and never does a day in jail.

Eyeball Chambers · « **Reply #55 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:48:42 PM »

Young Blood,
Do you disagree that the cop unjustly shot this guy, regardless of weather he really thought it was his taser or not?

TrapsMcLats · « **Reply #56 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:49:20 PM »

Quote from: big_mal on January 07, 2009, 03:44:41 PM

Yeah but the price he paid for that isnt justified

of course its not, i'm not a heartless bastard. I just think if he had used some common sense instead of acting like most young black men, he'd be alive tonight. common sense tells me not to fight. common sense tells me not to give a fuck about what someone says to me or thinks of me. common sense tell me to walk away from fights. all this dumbass was thinking was "ahh hell no! he can't be dun disrespectin me like dat. gotta showem whatcha got!"

Eyeball Chambers · « **Reply #57 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:49:33 PM »

Quote from: Disgusted on January 07, 2009, 03:48:15 PM

and WTF would you tazer someone who is hogtied?

Agree

The tasers were only suppose to be used in situations where they would have used lethal force. So as far as I can tell he's wrong either way.

dkf360 · « **Reply #58 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:52:58 PM »

Quote from: RonPaulFan on January 07, 2009, 03:34:19 PM

Nope, it's happened over and over throughout history. You can't let people abuse their power.

We don't live in a perfect world. Choose your poison.

I choose the one that is less threatening to the safety of my family, friends and I.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #59 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:53:43 PM »

Quote from: YoungBlood on January 07, 2009, 03:45:56 PM

So, by your theory....

I get arrested for running a red late and nearly hitting a lady pushing her baby carriage. My reasoning is that I'm a whole 5min late for work. Take two lives because my boss is a dick and will write me up for being late the second time this week.
Because I'm already 5min late, I tell the cop I have to get to work immediately and gradually make myself later and later because I can't argue my way out of the ticket. Now, thanks to the cop (doing his job, and protecting the law of me running a red light, and trying to avoid the entire situation in the future), I'm over 45min late. I flip my top.
The officer throws me in cuffs and into the back of the car. Since I'm in the heat of the moment, I'm waaaay more pissed off than usual and decide I'll pick the cuffs, and the squad cars door, and make a run for it. As I run, the cop shoots me and I fall to the ground.
Who's fault is that?
Had I not run the light, nor almost hit a lady & baby, I wouldn't have been more than 45min late for work. Nor would I have been shot, been cuffed or had a ticket for (all added up) resisting arrest, child endangerment, attempted manslaughter, running a red light and excessive speed.
Which would you pick?

Dude... you're not listening... Once you are in police custody... YOUR LIFE IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

End of story.

If he shoots you when you can no longer harm anyone... He has murdered you.

If you're in cuffs... you are not harming anyone.

YoungBlood · « **Reply #60 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:53:56 PM »

Quote from: RonPaulFan on January 07, 2009, 03:48:42 PM

Young Blood,
Do you disagree that the cop unjustly shot this guy, regardless of weather he really thought it was his taser or not?

Read my first response. I already answered your question.

Disgusted · « **Reply #61 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:54:33 PM »

Quote from: RonPaulFan on January 07, 2009, 03:49:33 PM

Agree

The tasers were only suppose to be used in situations where they would have used lethal force. So as far as I can tell he's wrong either way.

He did it out of anger and or malice because at that point he was in no danger.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #62 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:54:37 PM »

Quote from: TrapsMcLats on January 07, 2009, 02:54:59 PM

typical nog behavior. how did he get himself into this situation? he was fighting on bart. someone probably disrespected someone. the act it horrible, but prevention is the best medicine.

dkf360 · « **Reply #63 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:55:40 PM »

Btw, I love how the family is racing to cash in on his death with a $25 million lawsuit.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #64 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:57:06 PM »

Quote from: dkf360 on January 07, 2009, 03:55:40 PM

Btw, I love how the family is racing to cash in on his death with a $25 million lawsuit.

nothing wrong with that, they should get all they can.

TrapsMcLats · « **Reply #65 on:** January 07, 2009, 04:00:39 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on January 07, 2009, 03:57:06 PM

nothing wrong with that, they should get all they can.

agreed, they should be suing the shit outta bart or whoever is in charge of that police division.

Tre · « **Reply #66 on:** January 07, 2009, 04:02:10 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on January 07, 2009, 03:57:06 PM

nothing wrong with that, they should get all they can.

Right, but the lawsuit was filed before the man's body was in the ground.

That being said, they *had* to retain a lawyer right away. There was really no getting around that. You can't really expect radio silence from them after their loved one has been murdered in cold blood. So, to prevent anything unhelpful being said by them, a lawyer got himself retained to represent the family.

He's the one who suggested getting the papers filed with their intentions.

They're probably going to get $2-3 million, which - after legal fees - should all be placed into a trust for care of the child. The state should ensure that the child's mother is not given license to abuse the trust.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #67 on:** January 07, 2009, 04:03:38 PM »

Quote from: Tre on January 07, 2009, 04:02:10 PM

Right, but the lawsuit was filed before the man's body was in the ground.

That being said, they *had* to retain a lawyer right away. There was really no getting around that. You can't really expect radio silence from them after their loved one has been murdered in cold blood. So, to prevent anything unhelpful being said by them, a lawyer got himself retained to represent the family.

He's the one who suggested getting the papers filed with their intentions.

They're probably going to get $2-3 million, which - after legal fees - should all be placed into a trust for the child.

hahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, 2-3 million for a human life? any decent lawyer should be able to get at least 100 million, that's the only way these people learn, hit them in their wallets.

dkf360 · « **Reply #68 on:** January 07, 2009, 04:04:14 PM »

Quote from: Tre on January 07, 2009, 04:02:10 PM

Right, but the lawsuit was filed before the man's body was in the ground.

That being said, they *had* to retain a lawyer right away. There was really no getting around that. You can't really expect radio silence from them after their loved one has been murdered in cold blood. So, to prevent anything unhelpful being said by them, a lawyer got himself retained to represent the family.

He's the one who suggested getting the papers filed with their intentions.

They're probably going to get $2-3 million, which - after legal fees - should all be placed into a trust for the child.

Also, this is the same lawyer that represented Rodney King during his trial with the LAPD beating. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

dkf360 · « **Reply #69 on:** January 07, 2009, 04:04:58 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on January 07, 2009, 04:03:38 PM

hahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, 2-3 million for a human life? any decent lawyer should be able to get at least 100 million, that's the only way these people learn, hit them in their wallets.

Let's be realistic. You're not getting 100 million for any regular joe's life, especially someone with a criminal record.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #70 on:** January 07, 2009, 04:06:04 PM »

Quote from: dkf360 on January 07, 2009, 04:04:58 PM

Let's be realistic. You're not getting 100 million for any regular joe's life, especially someone with a criminal record.

and i suppose you defend what these fuccking scumbags did?

dkf360 · « **Reply #71 on:** January 07, 2009, 04:08:24 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on January 07, 2009, 04:06:04 PM

and i suppose you defend what these fuccking scumbags did?

I honestly think he made a mistake and was reaching for a taser. I don't condone the shooting of anyone that is already subdued.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #72 on:** January 07, 2009, 04:08:56 PM »

Quote from: dkf360 on January 07, 2009, 04:08:24 PM

I honestly think he made a mistake and was reaching for a taser. I don't condone the shooting of anyone that is already subdued.

that ain't what the video showed.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #73 on:** January 07, 2009, 04:09:56 PM »

Quote from: dkf360 on January 07, 2009, 04:04:58 PM

Let's be realistic. You're not getting 100 million for any regular joe's life, especially someone with a criminal record.

I read once that if you added up all of the odd nutrients and things in the human body that are no where else, you could sell a body in for around 50 million dollars.

I'd say you have be giving them 100 million TAX free... The cost of human life is immeasurable.

Only selfish chickenhawk jackasses say it's not.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #74 on:** January 07, 2009, 04:11:32 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on January 07, 2009, 04:09:56 PM

I read once that if you added up all of the odd nutrients and things in the human body that are no where else, you could sell a body in for around 50 million dollars.

I'd say you have be giving them 100 million TAX free... The cost of human life is immeasurable.

Only selfish chickenhawk jackasses say it's not.

you have to remember that to rednecks like "dkf360" a rich, white, conservative businessman's life is worth more than a black "regular joe" with a criminal record.