BART cop kills unarmed man - video of the actual murder

[Option D]

She probably hit the cop...

Its not his fault the thing he was SUPPOSED to use malfunctioned.

Its something completly different when you pull out a fucking GUN instead of a taser.

he shouldnt be walking around with the deadly poison pepper spray.. if she hit him he should have socked her in the eye...and she would still be alive..na im playing. Thats some fucked up shit.

[spinnis]

he shouldnt be walking around with the deadly poison pepper spray.. if she hit him he should have socked her in the eye...and she would still be alive..na im playing. Thats some fucked up shit.

He did what he should have and the spray fucked up..

Not his fault.. 

[tommywishbone]

Newsflash citizens; those goons you pay to walk around in body armour & wear those uniforms... they will shoot you and kill you before your pop tarts pop out of the toaster. Then they will retire & get paid for the rest of their lives for the "stress and anguish of killing you."

Land of the free, home of the brave. 

[spinnis]

new angle

http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1231380622/Train_Shooting_New_Angle_-_This_Cop_is_so_Screwed

[MuscleMcMannus]

Which appears to be the case. He was resisting being handcuffed, and they did what they would normaly do: one cop puts his knee into his back to hold him there and the other draws his taser and fires. It was not a taser however, and that's the issue. He was cuffed after he was shot, which is SOP for any dept no matter the circumstances.

The tasers were new to the dept (Dec), he was a 2 year cop, which is still rookie territory, and it's possible they had minimal training with it, and or, dealing with it on the belt, etc. Cop had had his first kid like 2 weeks before also, so his head was not where it needed to be which = ugly results.

The issue of whether cuffs, etc were all needed in the first place will have to be looked at in context to see if the entire event could have been avoided, but vids dont give context and we dont know what was said between the parties, etc.

Here in Boston, a girl was killed with a pepper gun used by a cop. Went right through her eye. It was really more due to lack of training than any thing else, and lack of training is a common problem as it costs $$$$$ and so it's often after such an even the depts orders all manner of training. I was at the Boston PD training after the pepper ball thing.

Horseshit excuses!!!!!!  A cop should know whether or not the weapon he's pulling out is a fucking gun or a taser.  I work in medicine.........like a police officer I hold people's lives in my hands.  If I accidentally make a mistake people will die.  There are certain things I DO NOT DO or that I TRIPLE CHECK before I do.  A cop's gun is the same thing.  Lack of training is simply an excuse for fucking stupidity.  It's not like the cop was wrestling around in a panic situation.

[tu_holmes]

Why didn't they call for medical attention immediately?

I'm so confused by that part... once you realized you shot someone... Why didn't you INSTANTLY get on the radio and ask for medical professionals.

[tommywishbone]

Why didn't they call for medical attention immediately?

I'm so confused by that part... once you realized you shot someone... Why didn't you INSTANTLY get on the radio and ask for medical professionals.

First you try and destroy any evidence. Every criminal knows that.

[240 is Back]

First you try and destroy any evidence. Every criminal knows that.

bingo.  they had an 'oh shit' moment and then began damage control on their own situation.

Is there ANY doubt in anyone's mind what the police report would have said, if this incident had happened in an empty alley without 20 kids taking pictures?

[DeketheCreep]

new angle

http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1231380622/Train_Shooting_New_Angle_-_This_Cop_is_so_Screwed

This vid makes me sick
WTF Was this cop thinking?

[240 is Back]

Five days have passed since a BART police officer shot and killed an unarmed rider on a station platform, but the officer has not given a statement to investigators about what happened and the transit agency has apparently not forced him to do so.


The delay comes as witnesses emerge with their accounts of what happened, some with video footage of the incident recorded on cellular phones. The hold-up is one reason why BART officials - even in the face of public outcry - have said little publicly about the shooting, including whether they believe it was justified.

BART has not released the officer's name, but The Chronicle has learned that the officer is two-year BART police veteran Johannes Mehserle, who turned 27 on Monday and whose first child was born within a day or two of the shooting - an event that may be a contributing factor to why Mehserle has not yet explained the shooting to investigators.

Mehserle could not be reached for comment on Monday.

Officials have only said that Mehserle's gun discharged, killing 22-year-old Oscar Grant of Hayward. He had been detained and forced to lie chest down on the ground at Oakland's Fruitvale Station after 2 a.m. in the chaotic aftermath of a fight on BART on New Year's Day. BART has promised a thorough probe, and Alameda County prosecutors are investigating as well, as is standard in officer-involved shootings.

But the delay is troubling to John Burris, the Oakland attorney who is representing Grant's family and who plans to file a $25 million damage claim today against the transit agency, a legal precursor to a civil lawsuit. Burris is also calling for the officer to be charged criminally.

Burris, who has represented clients in more than a dozen officer-involved shootings, said he had never seen such a long delay before an officer makes a statement to investigators. He said it raises the possibility that the statement could be affected by the video footage and by loss of memory, among other things.

"It's pretty shocking to me," Burris said. "When you delay like this, it raises questions about the integrity of the investigation. It raises the question, 'What has BART been doing?' You want to prevent collusion. You want to prevent people from tailoring their statements to the evidence."

[Tre]

First you try and destroy any evidence. Every criminal knows that.

Truth.

They were more concerned with trying to confiscate all the videos than they were with getting medical attention for the victim.

[MuscleMcMannus]

San Francisco is a shithole is it not?  I've never personally been.  But people seem to either love it or hate.  I can only guess the type of person that would love it. 

[240 is Back]

If any of us had shot a police officer we would have been interrogated 30 times already in a dark room without getting any sleep;

however when a cop shoots an innocent citizen in the back we wait for him/her until he/she is ready to talk. This cop is doing a great disservice to the community and those who wear the uniform.

[240 is Back]

"PIGS GO HOME"

protesters getting rowdy yesterday

[dkf360]

would you say it's a non issue if it happened to one of your loved ones

My loved ones wouldn't be causing ruckus at 2am in the morning on Bart, so its a non-issue for the majority of law-abiding citizens of the USA.

[bigmc]

that cop was way out of order

but i have to say it fucks me off that every fucker loves to jump on the band wagon when they fuck up and stick the knife in

funny how its never the other way round when they save lives and put scum bags away

[tu_holmes]

My loved ones wouldn't be causing ruckus at 2am in the morning on Bart, so its a non-issue for the majority of law-abiding citizens of the USA.

Yeah, I'm sure you'll never have a 22 year old son who happens to get into trouble... How Naive can you get.

[tu_holmes]

that cop was way out of order

but i have to say it fucks me off that every fucker loves to jump on the band wagon when they fuck up and stick the knife in

funny how its never the other way round when they save lives and put scum bags away

I think it's because you're held to a higher standard.

1. Saving lives is your job, not taking them.
2. In a court of law, your word means more than average citizen Joe.
3. When you fuck up, your fuckups cause a lot more harm than your average fuckup.

[dkf360]

The cop screwed up huge and deserves whatever he gets. My point was that the ghetto community gets outraged by these occasional incidents involving police, but do not show the same outrage at their teens murdering each other on a daily basis. Where's the protests against constant gang violence?

It's ok, these same 'revolutionaries' would rather have anarchy and the local thugs doing what they want without any responsibilities for their actions.

[dkf360]

If you resist arrest or run from the COPS you ought to have your ass shot.  Saves the tax payers money anyways... only if now, the officers didnt go through litigation and get sentenced to time.. it would be a win win.

Quoted for the truth.

[MuscleMcMannus]

"PIGS GO HOME"

protesters getting rowdy yesterday

Fucking morons!  No wonder nothing changes.  Politicians, judges, etc. aren't going to take people that throw chairs at cop cars, light fires in the dumpsters, and shout "Pigs go home" seriously.  People should be protesting......but when protests turn juvenile and criminal they lose their effectiveness. There is a time and a place for violent protest......but it's always a last resort.  

[dkf360]

Yeah, I'm sure you'll never have a 22 year old son who happens to get into trouble... How Naive can you get.

Unlike you, I'll actually be a dad to my 22 year old, so he'll be able to make good judgement calls.

[bigmc]

I think it's because you're held to a higher standard.

1. Saving lives is your job, not taking them.
2. In a court of law, your word means more than average citizen Joe.
3. When you fuck up, your fuckups cause a lot more harm than your average fuckup.

they used to be held to a higher standard

now everyone just gives them shit


people always want zero tolerance when they complain about someone else and to be treated leniently when they are in the shit


society gets the cops it deserves

what you reap is what you sew

[dkf360]

I think it's because you're held to a higher standard.

1. Saving lives is your job, not taking them.
2. In a court of law, your word means more than average citizen Joe.
3. When you fuck up, your fuckups cause a lot more harm than your average fuckup.

You also forgot the human factor that's involved, which means there's a chance that people will fuck up from time to time doing their job.

[tbombz]

the stereotypical cop who became a cop only because he was a pathetic bitch when he was young (and still is one) and got teased and wants to have a gun and 'power' to fuck with people..

these kind of cops i fucking hate.

they are fun to argue with in public places with people watching. they cant do shit ith people watching. and you can argue with them and make them look stupid all day long with no penalty. try it sometme!