Anyone watching Obama on CNN right now?

[The Coach]

the change is that he's putting a trillion in the pockets of Americans with stim checks and 3-4 million new jobs.

bush and paulson, on the other hand, put a trillion into the banker's hands and they are legally NOT TELLING US where the $ is going.

The $ has to be i nterjected into economy - both parties are donig it.  I personally perfect where obama is sending the $ - to americans

Funny, when Bush did that you critisized him, Obama does it you praise him. The only difference is with Obama you'll (EVERYONE) will be paying out the ASS in the end.

[nicky.smth]

LOL.....and who fault is that??

STFU coach....

you stupid fuck, you didn't even finish high school, Because you started posing for muscle worshipers at a young age...

So stay out of this thread

[The Coach]

You tell me, stud

Start with CountryWide and work from there. Then ask Barney Frank and his boyfriends.

[nicky.smth]

Start with CountryWide and work from there. Then ask Barney Frank and his boyfriends.

start with invisible weapons of mass destruction...

[pumpster]

Funny, when Bush did that you critisized him, Obama does it you praise him. The only difference is with Obama you'll (EVERYONE) will be paying out the ASS in the end.

The republicans were there the last 8 years, you can't escape that with your myopic view of the world. The republicans are part of the problem right now, doing squat to effectively deal with the crisis, thus the economy is still deteriorating further. Bush and admin were the dumbest fucks on record, Obama is clearly bringing in smart competent people to take over the insane asylum. Unfortunately it's late in the game after so many years of this poor management.

[The Coach]

STFU coach....

you stupid fuck, you didn't even finish high school, Because you started posing for muscle worshipers at a young age...

So stay out of this thread

Nice Lib answer fag.

[The Coach]

The republicans were there the last 8 years, you can't escape that with your myopic view of the world. The republicans are part of the problem right now, doing squat to effectively deal with the crisis, thus the economy is still deteriorating further. Bush and admin were the dumbest fucks on record, Obama is clearly bringing in smart competent people to take over the insane asylum. Unfortunately it's late in the game after so many years of this poor management.

Helloooo.........shit didn't start hitting the fan until the Dems took control of the senate 2 years ago.

[pumpster]

Helloooo.........shit didn't start hitting the fan until the Dems took control of the senate 2 years ago.

Next you'll attribute iraq and that waste of money to the dems.

[240 is Back]

It's hard to say rob what Americans would do with that money..Considering the fact there have seen there home values fall drastically, and there 401(K)'s values plummet...My guess is they would put the money under the mattress,where it wouldn't stimulate the economy..You know the multiplier effect..

Another guess would be americans would use that money to pay down debt

if they pay down debt, then the banks would have $ to spend.
if they spend even 10% of it on consumer goods (and you know the stupid half of the population would run to the mall with it) we'd see a tremendous bump, just as we did last summer.  That econ stim package from bush - the second tax return - was an awesome bump for 3 months.

[Cap]

 
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Pick a president based on the slogan "Change"?  Good choice.  Let me guess, he has charisma and has a nice smile?  

I'm really glad that my kids, grand kids and I will pay for the stimulus that Obama wants.  Here's an idea, cut domestic spending which is a huge part of the budget.  I have no problem drawing down troops in Iraq but the money we piss away here for illegals and able bodied welfare recipients, among other things, is costing much more money and has been for a long time.  Cut off all aid and services to illegals, force welfare recipients who can work to work at least 40 hours a week (then the government can cut some of that spending while still providing aid) and you could see better results.

[240 is Back]

Helloooo.........shit didn't start hitting the fan until the Dems took control of the senate 2 years ago.

The dollar was steadily weakening since 2001, Joe.

This shit doesn't happen in a vaccuum.  We borrowed a lot of $ for this war, and suddenly the chinese aren't lending it to us anymore. 

[technokc]

Sometimes our legal system boogles my mind.  There are literally thousands of illegals in the California prisons that I am paying for with my tax dollars!  Yet we have other hippie americans protesting that it is not right to just deport these people for commiting crimes!?

WTF

[240 is Back]

there needs to be another stimulus package, this is simple economics.

Should it go to the banks, to hoard?
Or should it go to Americans in the form of a check and new job creation?

They're going to make one no matter what - you have to jumpstart thigns or face a death spiral of supply/demand.  

Obama wants to give the $ to americans - bush wants to give it to corps.

Does anyone here really wnat to bypass a 500 check and 100 to 400,000 new jobs in your state, so that Citibank can add another 300 bill to its coffers?

[pumpster]

Just to make it simple to understand for those who don't:

-Bush administration: some of the dumbest people available(ie condi and rummy in influential positions); collectively mediocre, like Bush. Expertise only in getting re-elected.

-Obama: some of the smartest people.


-Spending now: established economics, universally agreed as necessary after the mistakes of the depression.


It really is that simple.

[The Showstoppa]

I'll ask again, why is the whole stimulus to the banks package ONLY be blamed on Bush?  The congress and senate pushed it thru.  Democrats leading the charge, yet it's ALL Bush's fault.  It's this idiotic view of "President has all the power" that allows the real turds in Washington (Congress and Senate) to keep getting re-elected even thought their only interest is the pork barrel politics of their own state.

[Cap]

I'll ask again, why is the whole stimulus to the banks package ONLY be blamed on Bush?  The congress and senate pushed it thru.  Democrats leading the charge, yet it's ALL Bush's fault.  It's this idiotic view of "President has all the power" that allows the real turds in Washington (Congress and Senate) to keep getting re-elected even thought their only interest is the pork barrel politics of their own state.

Exactly, Bush proposes but Congress votes.  They are to blame.

Sometimes our legal system boogles my mind.  There are literally thousands of illegals in the California prisons that I am paying for with my tax dollars!  Yet we have other hippie americans protesting that it is not right to just deport these people for commiting crimes!?

WTF

Seriously.  All the ESL spending, Medical benefits, and public school spending we pay for those assholes is eating at the CA budget big time.

[tbombz]

Start with CountryWide and work from there. Then ask Barney Frank and his boyfriends.

barney frank was promoting the answer to this countries economic problems three years ago. hes a great politician and alway ahead of the game.

[Big_Tymer]

I think its time to move back to europe 

[bigguns23]

but why only hold Bush personally accountable?  The only bump in the road was the Republicans who voted it down the first time, but the Democrats ram-rodded it thru.  So why not share the blame? 

It's as if everyone is assigning so much blame to only the Bush admin, that everything will magically change when they are out....which is complete bullshit.....but it's what got Obama elected.

EXCELLENT POST. Everybody is looking at Obama as being some kind of savior, sorry ain't going to happen. The president is not the sole purpose of why our country is in the shitter, people don't realize that congress makes this country tick. They make laws, they pass legislation. People put all the blame on Bush and his administration. Not fair, but that is just my opinion.

[Mars]

[jesusbod]

I too my bush check with a smile, and i'll take my obama check with a smile.
these 2 were GOOD things - we got more of our damn $ back.

on the other hand, giving 2 trillion bucks to banks - to secretly use as they pleased - was some serious bullshit.   Bush did it 3 months ago swearing it was that or collapse/martial law (yse, some congressman said he used those words if it didn't pass)

3 months later, we're still economically fvcked.  If they had given that 2 trillion to americans, you bet your ass it'd be being spent right now.

YEP....

[shootfighter1]

The bailout to the banks was heavily favored by democrats, who have the majority in congress (particularly liberal dems).  Bush signed off on it so he is responsible as well, but the democrats are mostly to blame for poor oversight of the financial bailout money...our tax money!  We should all be pissed.  It was the fiscally conservative republicans and some of the blue dog democrats that opposed the financial bailout in that form.

Barney Frank and paulson are the brains behind these bailouts, place most of the blame on them.  Honestly, Bush is not smart enough to have orchestrated this failure by himself.  I do fault him because a good leader picks smart and experienced people to listen too.  The president cannot be everything.  Hopefully Obama will choose more wisely. 

[flagadajones]

in the end, the only real "change" that occured is that a black man is now in charge.

Too bad people are now going to figure out that it doesnt mean he 's more or even as qualified/capable/apropriate for the job as a white man...


It was all about electing A BLACK MAN for the fun of it and nothing else. Everything that has been said about the stupidity of those who voted for him just because he's black has already been verified and it will only get worse, cause soon people will understand that BECAUSE he's black he's LESS qualified for the job than a white man.

[tbombz]

The bailout to the banks was heavily favored by democrats, who have the majority in congress (particularly liberal dems).  Bush signed off on it so he is responsible as well, but the democrats are mostly to blame for poor oversight of the financial bailout money...our tax money!  We should all be pissed.  It was the fiscally conservative republicans and some of the blue dog democrats that opposed the financial bailout in that form.

Barney Frank and paulson are the brains behind these bailouts, place most of the blame on them.  Honestly, Bush is not smart enough to have orchestrated this failure by himself.  I do fault him because a good leader picks smart and experienced people to listen too.  The president cannot be everything.  Hopefully Obama will choose more wisely. 

barney frank has been calling for investemnts in infructructure as an economic stimulus and also somethin the usa should have done anyway for yearssss...   since that bridge collapsed in the mid west somwhere a few years ago.

[flagadajones]

barney frank has been calling for investemnts in infructructure as an economic stimulus and also somethin the usa should have done anyway for yearssss...   since that bridge collapsed in the mid west somwhere a few years ago.