Author Topic: Cycle Opinions? (Read 2119 times)

Swollness · « **on:** January 12, 2009, 06:54:23 PM »

4th Cycle.

Test C, Tren, Masterone 12 wks

Test C. 250mg e3d
Tren A. 75-100mg eod
Masteron 50mg last 4 wks.

PCT. Nolvadex

THOUGHTS?

shrek · « **Reply #1 on:** January 12, 2009, 08:20:18 PM »

yo bro if this your 4th cycle then you ought to know tha nolva alon aint gonna cut it you are wanting to use some strong stuff you need to combat it with many different things through and after the cycle

Emmortal · « **Reply #2 on:** January 12, 2009, 08:30:13 PM »

I honestly don't know why people even run Nolva for PCT anymore. If you've never ran tren, have some Cabergoline on hand .5mg 2x a week should be fine. Tren A for 12 weeks might be a bit rough too, I'd cut it at 10 max, 8 if it's your first time. Why are you using Masteron? Is this a contest prep cycle or are you trying to bulk? What are your goals and prior experience?

shrek · « **Reply #3 on:** January 12, 2009, 08:35:17 PM »

if it contest prep he should use some t3 to combat the tren slowing down his thyroid production..... also ditch the mast. for some winny.... if bulking ditch mast. for abombs or dbal.... add adex through the cycle

Emmortal · « **Reply #4 on:** January 12, 2009, 08:38:02 PM »

Quote from: shrek on January 12, 2009, 08:35:17 PM

if it contest prep he should use some t3 to combat the tren slowing down his thyroid production..... also ditch the mast. for some winny.... if bulking ditch mast. for abombs or dbal.... add adex through the cycle

Mast works pretty well in the <8% range. If it was contest prep, I'd throw in Halo the last 4 weeks instead of mast personally, and some t3 of course. If it's bulking, abombs or dbol will suffice over mast any day, personally I'd do dbol.

elite_lifter · « **Reply #5 on:** January 12, 2009, 08:39:39 PM »

Quote from: Emmortal on January 12, 2009, 08:30:13 PM

I honestly don't know why people even run Nolva for PCT anymore. If you've never ran tren, have some Cabergoline on hand .5mg 2x a week should be fine. Tren A for 12 weeks might be a bit rough too, I'd cut it at 10 max, 8 if it's your first time. Why are you using Masteron? Is this a contest prep cycle or are you trying to bulk? What are your goals and prior experience?

Whats your typical pct look like?

shrek · « **Reply #6 on:** January 12, 2009, 08:40:49 PM »

Quote from: Emmortal on January 12, 2009, 08:38:02 PM

Mast works pretty well in the <8% range. If it was contest prep, I'd throw in Halo the last 4 weeks instead of mast personally, and some t3 of course. If it's bulking, abombs or dbol will suffice over mast any day, personally I'd do dbol.

see im learning

Emmortal · « **Reply #7 on:** January 12, 2009, 08:42:53 PM »

Quote from: elite_lifter on January 12, 2009, 08:39:39 PM

Whats your typical pct look like?

I don't really come off any more now that i'm on HRT, but 50mg of Clomid ED 4-6 weeks depending on how long of a cycle I was on. I also run HCG on cycle which helped my recovery tremendously. I know a lot of guys hate Clomid, but it's usually from running way too much of it. You don't need those mega 100mg+ doses.

shrek · « **Reply #8 on:** January 12, 2009, 08:43:30 PM »

Quote from: elite_lifter on January 12, 2009, 08:39:39 PM

Whats your typical pct look like?

from what ive read and seen others say on PCT you should run HCG clomid and nolva to keep from estrogen rebound and kick start your balls to produce

Emmortal · « **Reply #9 on:** January 12, 2009, 08:45:56 PM »

Quote from: shrek on January 12, 2009, 08:43:30 PM

from what ive read and seen others say on PCT you should run HCG clomid and nolva to keep from estrogen rebound and kick start your balls to produce

There's no need to run two SERMS, Nolva or Clomid, both aren't necessary and I'd choose Clomid any day of the week over Nolva. There's just not any evidence that I've seen that it helps kickstart test production whereas there's plenty of evidence that Clomid does. About the only thing Nolva is good for IMO is gyno on cycle.

elite_lifter · « **Reply #10 on:** January 12, 2009, 08:52:08 PM »

Quote from: Emmortal on January 12, 2009, 08:45:56 PM

There's no need to run two SERMS, Nolva or Clomid, both aren't necessary and I'd choose Clomid any day of the week over Nolva. There's just not any evidence that I've seen that it helps kickstart test production whereas there's plenty of evidence that Clomid does. About the only thing Nolva is good for IMO is gyno on cycle.

$:-\$ so many opinions!

Emmortal · « **Reply #11 on:** January 12, 2009, 08:54:27 PM »

Quote from: elite_lifter on January 12, 2009, 08:52:08 PM

$:-\$ so many opinions!

I'm sure someone will have an exact opposing opinion as well =) But this is just what I've found has worked best for me and the best recovery for myself. The best thing is to experiment and find what best works for you. Remember to just keep it simple though, there's usually no need to run an exotic PCT.

shrek · « **Reply #12 on:** January 12, 2009, 08:56:26 PM »

can you ever have to much PCT?

elite_lifter · « **Reply #13 on:** January 12, 2009, 09:05:01 PM »

Quote from: Emmortal on January 12, 2009, 08:42:53 PM

I don't really come off any more now that i'm on HRT, but 50mg of Clomid ED 4-6 weeks depending on how long of a cycle I was on. I also run HCG on cycle which helped my recovery tremendously. I know a lot of guys hate Clomid, but it's usually from running way too much of it. You don't need those mega 100mg+ doses.

over 50?

4thAD · « **Reply #14 on:** January 12, 2009, 09:23:17 PM »

Listen to Emmortal, he knows what he is talking about. The only thing I like to add to my pct is aromasin @ 25mg ed for 6 weeks. When running the aromasin, you can cut clomid back to 3 weeks. You can also run clomid as low as 25mg ed. Any range between 25 and 100mg will suffice, but I dont see any reason to run it any higher than 50. Some of the old boy's school like high dose clomid.

elite_lifter · « **Reply #15 on:** January 12, 2009, 09:29:25 PM »

Quote from: 4thAD on January 12, 2009, 09:23:17 PM

Listen to Emmortal, he knows what he is talking about. The only thing I like to add to my pct is aromasin @ 25mg ed for 6 weeks. When running the aromasin, you can cut clomid back to 3 weeks. You can also run clomid as low as 25mg ed. Any range between 25 and 100mg will suffice, but I dont see any reason to run it any higher than 50. Some of the old boy's school like high dose clomid.

using liquid aromasin or tab?

4thAD · « **Reply #16 on:** January 12, 2009, 09:35:56 PM »

I would prefer HG tabs, but there are good liquid research chems out there.

abc123 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 14, 2009, 01:56:57 AM »

Quote from: Emmortal on January 12, 2009, 08:42:53 PM

I don't really come off any more now that i'm on HRT, but 50mg of Clomid ED 4-6 weeks depending on how long of a cycle I was on. I also run HCG on cycle which helped my recovery tremendously. I know a lot of guys hate Clomid, but it's usually from running way too much of it. You don't need those mega 100mg+ doses.

Are you saying that you run Clomid during cycle in 4-6 week blasts along with HCG during cycle, since you never come off?

I run HCG during cycle, but I've always wondered if it would be beneficial to also run some Clomid during cycle, just to keep each part of the HPTA producing a little bit. I know the HCG keeps my balls working, but what about the rest of the HPTA?

Emmortal · « **Reply #18 on:** January 14, 2009, 10:04:28 AM »

Quote from: abc123 on January 14, 2009, 01:56:57 AM

Are you saying that you run Clomid during cycle in 4-6 week blasts along with HCG during cycle, since you never come off?

I run HCG during cycle, but I've always wondered if it would be beneficial to also run some Clomid during cycle, just to keep each part of the HPTA producing a little bit. I know the HCG keeps my balls working, but what about the rest of the HPTA?

Sorry no, I ran that for PCT for long cycles back when I was coming off. I don't run clomid on cycle.

tbombz · « **Reply #19 on:** January 15, 2009, 01:22:08 PM »

Quote from: james001 on January 15, 2009, 09:09:50 AM

a cycle.. all you really need to know when planning a cycle is what you respond to best.

an androgen... or an anabolic.

for me.. I respond *much* better to an anabolic...

so deca or even EQ put muscle on my body much better than test.

so if I run say 400mg of deca.. I only need about 150mg of test and I do just fine. that will work better for me than running a gram of test by itself.

I've also noticed that when I run test high 1000mg a week plus - it actually interferes with the deca.. so I actually make less progress.

you have to try these things to find out.

you running test, tren and masteron is pointless.. they're all androgens. what if you dont even respond well to androgens?

and I wouldn't run any steroid for less than 6 months.. minimum. muscle growth takes time.

great post dude. you have a tremendous amount of experience expirementing with different combinations and doses. i think its a wise thing too do, if one is intersted in making quick progress, - to expirment wih a huge range of things to find if there is one particular thing they would respond best too - and im thinking that theres probably at least one good combo for every person. finding that information out soon would be hugely advantageousl.

Emmortal · « **Reply #20 on:** January 15, 2009, 01:44:51 PM »

Quote from: james001 on January 15, 2009, 01:40:28 PM

I ran EQ alone and was blown away.

I agree with what you said in the rest of your post. Personally, I get pretty little gains from EQ and probably won't ever run it again after I'm finished up with my current run of it. Deca on the other hand is by far my favorite besides test.

Emmortal · « **Reply #21 on:** January 15, 2009, 01:56:56 PM »

Quote from: james001 on January 15, 2009, 01:48:33 PM

yeah.. I probably wouldnt run EQ alone but I had it laying around and said what the hell.

I just wish I could find a source of the american made legit vet EQ... I would be in heaven.

There's some good South American Vet stuff if you know where to look. The big problem with American stuff is most of it's just 50mg/cc which kinda blows.