Ab training after HRT

[pink]

I wasnt sure if this should go in the training folder - but here goes.

I've always trained abs pretty hard but in the last year or so have gone on HRT of Test and HGH.

Seems a lot harder to suck my gut in than it used to be.
I know they say dont do abs - my six pack is still there - it's just starting to stick out further than my chest!

Is this age or gear - I'm not even doing much.

Any waist training advice for those of us on the stuff?

Vaccuums?

[4thAD]

Huh, I dont understand how TRT would cause distention. TRT doses are only supposed to bring your T levels up to a healthy normal. GH should not cause this either @ normal HRT doses. I train abs all the time even when on full blown cycles. Who told you, that your not supposed to train abs? IMO it builds a solid strong core and is important.

[dustin]

Diet. It's probably lots of visceral fat that's building with age. If you need to be on TRT and HRT then something isn't going right, that should have been your first clue. I would train hard, diet hard and look into maybe doing a colon cleanse.

[4thAD]

Diet. It's probably lots of visceral fat that's building with age. If you need to be on TRT and HRT then something isn't going right, that should have been your first clue. I would train hard, diet hard and look into maybe doing a colon cleanse.

This is bs bro. TRT/HRT has nothing to do with age or build up of visceral fat. With that being said, yes most people on TRT are over 35 but there are exceptions. There are young guys with hypogonadism that end up on TRT.

[dustin]

This is bs bro. TRT/HRT has nothing to do with age or build up of visceral fat. With that being said, yes most people on TRT are over 35 but there are exceptions. There are young guys with hypogonadism that end up on TRT.

I didn't mean to draw a direct parallel between age and TRT/HRT. It's not the only contributing factor but with time, anyone and everyone will accumulate a bit of visceral fat. What I said is not far fetched. Perhaps it was just misunderstood.

As far as the hormone comment is related, having to be on TRT or HRT at any age is not a good sign his body is in the best condition. The distention could be from having mucoid plaque and tons of shit that built up over the years in his intestines. It happens to everyone.

I've known a few older people who've gotten it done and they've lost at least 5lbs in shit that was otherwise going to block the absorption of nutrients and push their stomach out. A fitness competitor I know had one at the same time as her ex-fiance and her midsection had noticeably come down after as well. But I'd said a good starting point would be the diet first. I do vacuums and keep my gut in check when I start feeling bloated and it helps when you remain aware.

[abc123]

Diet. It's probably lots of visceral fat that's building with age. If you need to be on TRT and HRT then something isn't going right, that should have been your first clue. I would train hard, diet hard and look into maybe doing a colon cleanse.

What Colon cleanse do you use / suggest?

[4thAD]

I would agree that a colon cleanse would benefit most people.

[dustin]

What Colon cleanse do you use / suggest?

Not too sure. I'm just starting by taking a little selenium and a supplement called Fiberlean everyday.

This may be too much info, but I used to take really long shits as a kid. I'd read books and take long shits. I cut down the time for bowel movements ever since I started dating girls but ever since I started taking Fiberlean, they've been really speedy. I inspect my stools and make sure that I'm really regular. Thinking ahead here, a lot of us probably will get colon cancer so I'm trying to take care of my booty lol

I have some friends that are really into health and wellness, but aren't hippies. I'll check for their recommendations and bump this thread. I'm going to do an actual colon cleanse sometime soon. A little apprehensive but being an adult here, it's not so bad. The pro's outweigh the con's.

[Emmortal]

There was a big thread about colon clenses on the nutrition board, the consensus was that they aren't really worth it and hold little value health wise.

[tbombz]

the distension is not because your training abs.


it might be related to the gh and test. much likely more so the gh.


it could also be related to a diet high in animal protein and/or fiber

[4thAD]

If he is on HRT doses of test and GH the distention is not from GH.

[tbombz]

If he is on HRT doses of test and GH the distention is not from GH.

i agree, it its just truly "hrt" dose... but ive never hard of that...they always perscribe the highest in the normal range. like you said your hrt gets you to test levels of 800. pretty much the highest you would ever possibly see anyone naturally. if gh was perscribed the same way, it is possible that it caused slight distension.

[4thAD]

I'm thinking its diet. If I remember correctly Pinky is new to TRT/HRT and gear. I could be mistaken though.

[tbombz]

I'm thinking its diet. If I remember correctly Pinky is new to TRT/HRT and gear. I could be mistaken though.

yeah. probably. alot of time when people start to eat more protien, they think they have gotten fat because their abdomen distends because their intesines are full with digesting meat.  same thing with veggie fiber

[abc123]

yeah. probably. alot of time when people start to eat more protien, they think they have gotten fat because their abdomen distends because their intesines are full with digesting meat.  same thing with veggie fiber

Tbombz, I really don't think even a very very high level HRT dose of GH and AAS will cause distention.  I've taken 8 IU of Pharma GH, 20 IU if Insulin preworkout and doses of AAS that are much higher than any HRT doc would prescribe (plus numerous other things) for six plus months and it hasn't affected me at all.

I think your above answer is the most likely reason.  It's genetic for me to have a little distention, but it gets much worse when I eat a lot of calories in the form of meat, veggies, etc.  When I cut back the calories it goes away.

I used to always take one tablespoon of Metamucil with breakfast and I was regular like clockwork first thing the next morning.  Once I added a lot of veggies I had to cut back.  I think I may try it again.

As for a good colon cleanse, I can't see how any of them are better than a good dose of fiber on a regular basis with a lot of water & lemon juice.  I could be completely wrong here though.

Vet, do you think?

[tbombz]

Tbombz, I really don't think even a very very high level HRT dose of GH and AAS will cause distention.  I've taken 8 IU of Pharma GH, 20 IU if Insulin preworkout and doses of AAS that are much higher than any HRT doc would prescribe (plus numerous other things) for six plus months and it hasn't affected me at all.

I think your above answer is the most likely reason.  It's genetic for me to have a little distention, but it gets much worse when I eat a lot of calories in the form of meat, veggies, etc.  When I cut back the calories it goes away.

I used to always take one tablespoon of Metamucil with breakfast and I was regular like clockwork first thing the next morning.  Once I added a lot of veggies I had to cut back.  I think I may try it again.

As for a good colon cleanse, I can't see how any of them are better than a good dose of fiber on a regular basis with a lot of water & lemon juice.  I could be completely wrong here though.

Vet, do you think?

im suprised you experienced no added distension..    certainly leads me to believ that the enlarged abdomens of some bodybuilders might be caused simply by large food intake and weak abdominal control

[4thAD]

Tbombz, I really don't think even a very very high level HRT dose of GH and AAS will cause distention.  I've taken 8 IU of Pharma GH, 20 IU if Insulin preworkout and doses of AAS that are much higher than any HRT doc would prescribe (plus numerous other things) for six plus months and it hasn't affected me at all.

I think your above answer is the most likely reason.  It's genetic for me to have a little distention, but it gets much worse when I eat a lot of calories in the form of meat, veggies, etc.  When I cut back the calories it goes away.

I used to always take one tablespoon of Metamucil with breakfast and I was regular like clockwork first thing the next morning.  Once I added a lot of veggies I had to cut back.  I think I may try it again.

As for a good colon cleanse, I can't see how any of them are better than a good dose of fiber on a regular basis with a lot of water & lemon juice.  I could be completely wrong here though.

Vet, do you think?

I think your probably right on!

[abc123]

im suprised you experienced no added distension..    certainly leads me to believ that the enlarged abdomens of some bodybuilders might be caused simply by large food intake and weak abdominal control

Well, yes I agree to an extent.  But, my doses are nowhere near what the pros take.  Their distention may very well be due to drugs and overeating.  Also, it could be all the wierd peptides they take (just speculation - i have zero experience here).

Even massive amounts of AAS only will cause you abdomen to build up a bit.  That's why many heavy long time users don't do ab work.  They get enough with leg press etc.

[luvvsuNOT]

Does your insurance cover this or do you pay out of pocket? If so, how much does it run you?

[pink]

Thanks guys - good info.

It's pretty low dosages, comparatively speaking.
I guess a little thickening of the waist is expected with age but I'm going to try the more fiber, water and lemon juice.

I've been on the HRT for over a year, insurance pays for the test, I pay for the GH.
It's a mixed bag.
I look better but can't quite say that I feel any better. That's still a struggle.
Adding in 1c of B12 every week too. My test levels seem to yoyo.

I've actually been thinking of taking some time off - taking 6-oxo and T-Bomb II for awhile.

At some point you have to weigh whether it's better to look good or feel good.

[luvvsuNOT]

Thanks guys - good info.

It's pretty low dosages, comparatively speaking.
I guess a little thickening of the waist is expected with age but I'm going to try the more fiber, water and lemon juice.

I've been on the HRT for over a year, insurance pays for the test, I pay for the GH.
It's a mixed bag.
I look better but can't quite say that I feel any better. That's still a struggle.
Adding in 1c of B12 every week too. My test levels seem to yoyo.

I've actually been thinking of taking some time off - taking 6-oxo and T-Bomb II for awhile.

At some point you have to weigh whether it's better to look good or feel good.

What country do you live in and what does the HGH cost you? Is it Lilly or some other brand?

[abc123]

What country do you live in and what does the HGH cost you? Is it Lilly or some other brand?

Do you feel any better taking the injectable B-12 every day?

[Arnold jr]

Just some thoughts and some of you may think this is nuts but it could be the factor.

You said you train abs and hard all the time. Are you doing a lot of weighted ab exercises? IMO, weighted ab exercises are not something that need to be done in most cases. Added weight to ab exercises will cause your ab muscles to be bigger...it's not rocket science.

Do you do heavy deads, and squats? This will add to abdominal growth. You can throw heavy BB military in that same category. If you are doing those things, and training abs with weight, well it doesn't take a genius to figure out why your abs are so big.

Dead lifts: if you are doing these, start doing them from the rack instead of the floor. Deads from the floor can be a great exercise but in many guys they can cause the midsection to look a lot wider and thicker. Do them from the rack and you still get the same back benefits. No, you won't get the hamstring benefits but no big deal, worry about your hamstrings when you train hamstrings.

[The ChemistV2]

I didn't mean to draw a direct parallel between age and TRT/HRT. It's not the only contributing factor but with time, anyone and everyone will accumulate a bit of visceral fat. What I said is not far fetched. Perhaps it was just misunderstood.

As far as the hormone comment is related, having to be on TRT or HRT at any age is not a good sign his body is in the best condition. The distention could be from having mucoid plaque and tons of shit that built up over the years in his intestines. It happens to everyone.

I've known a few older people who've gotten it done and they've lost at least 5lbs in shit that was otherwise going to block the absorption of nutrients and push their stomach out. A fitness competitor I know had one at the same time as her ex-fiance and her midsection had noticeably come down after as well. But I'd said a good starting point would be the diet first. I do vacuums and keep my gut in check when I start feeling bloated and it helps when you remain aware.

Has it occurred to you that a lot of young guys who are doing several long, high dose androgen cycles will probably require HRT before they are 30?  Something to think about if you want to continue to head down this path.

[Emmortal]

Just some thoughts and some of you may think this is nuts but it could be the factor.

You said you train abs and hard all the time. Are you doing a lot of weighted ab exercises? IMO, weighted ab exercises are not something that need to be done in most cases. Added weight to ab exercises will cause your ab muscles to be bigger...it's not rocket science.

Do you do heavy deads, and squats? This will add to abdominal growth. You can throw heavy BB military in that same category. If you are doing those things, and training abs with weight, well it doesn't take a genius to figure out why your abs are so big.

Dead lifts: if you are doing these, start doing them from the rack instead of the floor. Deads from the floor can be a great exercise but in many guys they can cause the midsection to look a lot wider and thicker. Do them from the rack and you still get the same back benefits. No, you won't get the hamstring benefits but no big deal, worry about your hamstrings when you train hamstrings.

I kinda disagree on this and here's why.  If you don't train abs hard enough this can indeed cause them to distend.  A weak abdominal core is one of the reasons for bad distention (amongst others).   We hit our backs hard and the spinal erectors get developed with a lot of the big lifts (squats, deads etc) and this can cause a gross imbalance.  With a strong back and weak abdomen which one do you think is going to give out?  For a lot of guys the abs don't hypertrophy a lot to begin with, even with heavy ab work so working them isn't going to cause them to get thick to the point of sticking out grossly.  A lot of guys neglect ab work because they get hit with rack pulls, dead lifts, squats, heavy pressing etc but it's not enough work to keep a balanced core.

Just my thoughts.