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U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible


http://www.elpasotimes.com/newupdated/ci_11444354

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Re: U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2009, 05:06:48 PM »
i think ill have some curry for dinner tonight... :P

maybe you should post a link or at least explain it a little better I assume your talking economically or governmentally either way shitty for the US as they will be another pet project.

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Re: U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2009, 05:55:02 PM »
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I did post a link dude.


U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible
By Diana Washington Valdez / El Paso Times
Posted: 01/13/2009 03:49:34 PM MST

EL PASO - Mexico is one of two countries that "bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse," according to a report by the U.S. Joint Forces Command on worldwide security threats.

The command's "Joint Operating Environment (JOE 2008)" report, which contains projections of global threats and potential next wars, puts Pakistan on the same level as Mexico. "In terms of worse-case scenarios for the Joint Force and indeed the world, two large and important states bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse: Pakistan and Mexico.

 
"The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the government, its politicians, police and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and press by criminal gangs and drug cartels. How that internal conflict turns out over the next several years will have a major impact on the stability of the Mexican state. Any descent by Mexico into chaos would demand an American response based on the serious implications for homeland security alone."

The U.S. Joint Forces Command, based in Norfolk, Va., is one of the Defense Departments combat commands that includes members of the different military service branches, active and reserves, as well as civilian and contract employees. One of its key roles is to help transform the U.S. military's capabilities.

In the foreword, Marine Gen. J.N. Mattis, the USJFC commander, said "Predictions about the future are always risky ... Regardless, if we do not try to forecast the future, there is no doubt that we will be caught off guard as we strive to protect this experiment in democracy that we call America."

The report is one in a series focusing on Mexico's internal security problems, mostly stemming from drug violence and drug corruption. In recent weeks, the Department of Homeland Security and former U.S. drug czar Barry McCaffrey issued similar alerts about Mexico.

Despite such reports, El Pasoan Veronica Callaghan, a border business leader, said she keeps running into people in the region who "are in denial about what is happening in Mexico."


Last week, Mexican President Felipe Calderon instructed his embassy and consular officials to promote a positive image of Mexico.

The U.S. military report, which also analyzed economic situations in other countries, also noted that China has increased its influence in places where oil fields are present.

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Re: U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2009, 07:11:59 PM »
Hope that damn wall is up by then.....

Or else we welcome another 20 million overnight...

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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2009, 09:40:35 PM »
Hope that damn wall is up by then.....

Or else we welcome another 20 million overnight...


QFT!!!

Countries need borders...they were invented for a reason!

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Re: U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 03:09:18 AM »
Bushies self admitted biggest mistake was not getting amnesty passed.  You really think Obongo will do anything about illegals?  ::)

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Re: U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2009, 09:32:00 AM »
Does anyone here think a mexican national collapse would not lead to a shooting war within the US?

You think mexican gang wars are bad now.....

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Re: U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2009, 09:39:26 AM »
Mexico's collapse will not hurt the US.

It's collapsed before... Nothing will change.

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Re: U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 09:39:33 AM »
Does anyone here think a mexican national collapse would not lead to a shooting war within the US?

You think mexican gang wars are bad now.....


lol... i have a feeling we could line the border with mines and lay down supressive fire.  95% of them ain't getting thru, and you can bet your ass those that do will get about 50 "green card or I break your face" checks each day from everyday joes.

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Re: U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2009, 10:09:10 AM »
What the f....

You guys really think major turmoil in Mexico wouldn't cause millions to crash the border? Really? You don't think every wetback now in the US (which is 1 in 5 mexicans) wouldn't pull out every stop to get every one of their friends and family into the US at whatever cost necessary?

 "i have a feeling we could line the border with mines and lay down supressive fire"

Ya right. The liberals and criminal sympathizers fire up a big ACLU lawsuit if anyone even dares to do anything about mexican flag-waving riots protests in the cities, I'm sure they will let soldiers lay down landmines...

And lets hear about how deploying the military within the US will violate the constitution too....

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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 10:09:56 AM »
LOL... i do feel that would be a shit-pit of illegals coming into the place.

anyone know details of 95 or 98, when mex did declare benkruptcy?  wasn't it just $ back then, not crime so much?

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Re: U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2009, 10:11:39 AM »
We need a Great Wall of America to get built asap.

Seriously, I wanna be able to have that shit seen from space...

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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2009, 10:27:06 AM »
We need a Great Wall of America to get built asap.

Seriously, I wanna be able to have that shit seen from space...

You realize that The Great Wall of China didn't keep out the Mongols... They rolled right on in anyway.

I don't want a wall myself... The wall that you say keeps people out will eventually be used to keep people in... Plus, how do you fund the wall?

Seriously, I don't think Mexicans will flood the US because of Mexico having a meltdown... Mexico has had many meltdowns before and the US is still fine.

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2009, 10:31:39 AM »
U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible


http://www.elpasotimes.com/newupdated/ci_11444354

Another issue GWB & the Democrats needs to be disgraced over.  They both fought the fence and wall like tooth and nail.   

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Re: U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2009, 10:52:04 AM »
You realize that The Great Wall of China didn't keep out the Mongols... They rolled right on in anyway.

I don't want a wall myself... The wall that you say keeps people out will eventually be used to keep people in... Plus, how do you fund the wall?

Seriously, I don't think Mexicans will flood the US because of Mexico having a meltdown... Mexico has had many meltdowns before and the US is still fine.
i dont think that is logical thinking the US has multi billions of dollars that they spend every year on illegals I for one dont belive that to be "fine". In our current state more illegals would definitly hurt us, more welfare, more crime, more ppl in prison we have to pay for. Again not logical to think that it wouldnt effect us and not logical to think at a time like this with our country in the situation its in it wouldnt have the possibility to have a big effect.

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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2009, 10:56:18 AM »
i dont think that is logical thinking the US has multi billions of dollars that they spend every year on illegals I for one dont belive that to be "fine". In our current state more illegals would definitly hurt us, more welfare, more crime, more ppl in prison we have to pay for. Again not logical to think that it wouldnt effect us and not logical to think at a time like this with our country in the situation its in it wouldnt have the possibility to have a big effect.

We also have a natural barrier and desert to helpout so we dont have to put the wall everywhere. 

 

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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2009, 11:33:02 AM »
You realize that The Great Wall of China didn't keep out the Mongols... They rolled right on in anyway.

I don't want a wall myself... The wall that you say keeps people out will eventually be used to keep people in... Plus, how do you fund the wall?

Seriously, I don't think Mexicans will flood the US because of Mexico having a meltdown... Mexico has had many meltdowns before and the US is still fine.

Instead of spending money on a problem and solving it , a problem that costs the US economy much more, you rather do nothing?

And there are borders between just about every country in the world...why not in southern USA?

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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2009, 11:34:46 AM »
Because it is politically incorrect to protect your national interests in this country.

The situation now is like having an open door on the grain silo, right next to the rat farm.

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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2009, 12:21:44 PM »
Instead of spending money on a problem and solving it , a problem that costs the US economy much more, you rather do nothing?

And there are borders between just about every country in the world...why not in southern USA?

What borders are there in Europe?

I don't think spending money on a "wall" is the right idea... How about you just enforce what you have and if illegals are here, then prosecute the companies that hire them. They're here for better jobs and it's easy to get a job while they're illegal.

Make it not worth their while to be in this country illegally... don't give them benefits and shit like that, then see how fast they either go legal or go back.

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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2009, 12:27:57 PM »
What borders are there in Europe?

I don't think spending money on a "wall" is the right idea... How about you just enforce what you have and if illegals are here, then prosecute the companies that hire them. They're here for better jobs and it's easy to get a job while they're illegal.

Make it not worth their while to be in this country illegally... don't give them benefits and shit like that, then see how fast they either go legal or go back.


They have their own little immigration problem over there in case you didnt realize it.

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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2009, 12:30:49 PM »
They have their own little immigration problem over there in case you didnt realize it.

But if we stop letting illegals get jobs, then they can stay in mexico where they can get one.

I'm all for getting rid of illegals, but the answer is to prosecute the people hiring their asses and deny them the right to education and stuff like that if they are not legal.

Also, if you're an illegal and you come here to have your kid... Your kid can stay and be a ward of the state, but your ass gets to go back home.

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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2009, 12:34:49 PM »
But if we stop letting illegals get jobs, then they can stay in mexico where they can get one.

I'm all for getting rid of illegals, but the answer is to prosecute the people hiring their asses and deny them the right to education and stuff like that if they are not legal.

Also, if you're an illegal and you come here to have your kid... Your kid can stay and be a ward of the state, but your ass gets to go back home.

A wall is one step, not THE step to end the problem.

   

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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2009, 12:48:58 PM »
A wall is one step, not THE step to end the problem.

   

I think it's a wasteful step.

Again, walls never really keep people out if they want to get in bad enough.

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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2009, 12:51:18 PM »
I think it's a wasteful step.

Again, walls never really keep people out if they want to get in bad enough.

Its not about keeping everyone out.  Its about deterring enough people away so it slows down the migration and force it to certain sectors where the agents can deal with it. 

 

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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2009, 12:57:06 PM »
Its not about keeping everyone out.  Its about deterring enough people away so it slows down the migration and force it to certain sectors where the agents can deal with it. 

 

I don't think it will do anything except have the illegals come in from the water or through Lousiana or whatever... It won't do much.

The US borders are so expansive that there is no way to police them... Police the people who hire these illegals and give them jobs... Make it so an if you give an illegal a job you're done... make it severe.

Without jobs, the illegals will stop coming... end of story.