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CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« on: January 16, 2009, 10:16:10 AM »
Too bad they will likely be handcuffed by the new Administration. 

CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective

Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:15 PM

WASHINGTON – CIA Director Michael Hayden strenuously defended the effectiveness of the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques Thursday, only moments after Attorney General-designate Eric Holder said the use of waterboarding was torture. Though U.S. officials say interrogators have not engaged in waterboarding in the past five years, Hayden said the coercive techniques and other harsh tactics were useful in the war on terror.

"These techniques worked," said Hayden, who is due to replaced by Leon Panetta as President-elect Obama's CIA director.

According to Hayden, the CIA held and interrogated fewer than 100 detainees at secret detention sites. Of those, a third were subjected to harsh techniques. Three of them, he acknowledged, were waterboarded.

"I am convinced that the program got the maximum amount of information, particularly out of that first generation of detainees. The Abu Zubaydahs, the Khalid Sheik Muhammeds," Hayden said referring to top al-Qaida operatives who were detained and questioned with harsh techniques. "I just can't conceive of any other way, given their character, given their commitment to what it is they do."

Whether waterboarding is torture is "an uninteresting question for the CIA," Hayden told reporters at CIA headquarters Thursday. "We don't do that. We haven't done it since March 2003, and we have no intent to do it."

Hayden banned waterboarding from CIA interrogations in 2006. He has acknowledged that the agency used the technique, a form of simulated drowning, on three prisoners in 2002 and 2003.

It was just one of the CIA's so-called enhanced interrogation techniques approved by the White House and Justice Department after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks for questioning alleged terrorists who the administration feared were plotting a follow-up attack.

"The agency did none of this out of enthusiasm," Hayden said. "It did it out of duty and it did it with the best legal advice it had."

Holder's opinion that waterboarding is torture complicates an already complex legal environment for U.S. prosecutions of alleged terrorists.

The top official overseeing the military commissions set up by the Bush administration to prosecute them told The Washington Post this week that she decided not to send to trial the case of a detainee being held at the U.S. naval prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, because she believed he was tortured by a combination of harsh, albeit approved, techniques by his U.S. military captors.

Aides to President-elect Barack Obama say he intends to close Guantanamo and to rein in CIA interrogations and detainee operations.

Hayden said he was "very heartened" by Obama's statements that he is "looking forward" rather than backward when it comes to the CIA's more controversial programs, interpreting that to mean there won't be an effort in the new administration to find and punish CIA officers who carried out those programs.

Hayden said Thursday that everything the CIA did was legal and approved by the Justice Department.

He warned that any effort to hold agency employees accountable, retroactively, for President George W. Bush's legally sanctioned intelligence programs could severely damage future intelligence gathering.

"We are asked to do things routinely that no one else is asked to do, that no one else is allowed to do," Hayden said. "You can't do this to these people."
 
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/hayden_interrogations/2009/01/15/171897.html

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Re: CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2009, 11:54:48 AM »
New 9/11 on the way thanks to Obama just so we dont pour water on someones' head.

What a joke. 

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Re: CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2009, 12:01:50 PM »
LOL


of course he defended it, what else is he going to do?? There is no way in hell he is going to go against the system.

This would have been news if he went the other way.

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Re: CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2009, 12:04:36 PM »
LOL


of course he defended it, what else is he going to do?? There is no way in hell he is going to go against the system.

This would have been news if he went the other way.

Our recruits in boot camp can be considered "tortured" under these stupid rules.

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Re: CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2009, 12:07:44 PM »
Our recruits in boot camp can be considered "tortured" under these stupid rules.

Yep.  I've said that before. 

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Re: CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2009, 12:10:36 PM »
Yep.  I've said that before. 

I went through boot camp and it was worse than what they are saying they do to these TERRORISTS.

Forget about the BUDS recruits.  They go through even worse by many miles.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. 

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Re: CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2009, 12:14:54 PM »
training your own recruits to handle interrogation/torture is one thing. I'm all for it. That doesn't bother me. They will be in enemy territory one day and some may get caught. Part of the job when you are in enemy territory. Wouldn't think that would be the case when dealing with America.
To torture someone, seems to go against American ideals. Don't you think?
 
To condone torture, it seems the radical muslims have won this round. This is what the radicals want right? Western civilization is breaking down to defeat the evil terrorists.


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Re: CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2009, 12:35:08 PM »
training your own recruits to handle interrogation/torture is one thing. I'm all for it. That doesn't bother me. They will be in enemy territory one day and some may get caught. Part of the job when you are in enemy territory. Wouldn't think that would be the case when dealing with America.
To torture someone, seems to go against American ideals. Don't you think?
 
To condone torture, it seems the radical muslims have won this round. This is what the radicals want right? Western civilization is breaking down to defeat the evil terrorists.



They torture and behead them now! 

With your type of thinking we would still be fighting WW2 and more people would die in the end. 

To liberals like yourself, you really could care less how many innocent people die so long as the liberal politically corerect vision of the world is kept in place. 

Let me ask you a question:

Lets say your wife or kid is kidnapped by two guys.  The cops capture one of the guys and the other got away with your kid. 

YES OR NO - WOULD YOU BE AGAINST THEM POURING WATER OVER THE CAPTURED CRIMINAL TO FIND OUT WHERE THE OTHER TOOK YOUR DAUGHTER IF NONTHING ELSE WORKED??????????????????????????

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Re: CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2009, 12:37:04 PM »
training your own recruits to handle interrogation/torture is one thing. I'm all for it. That doesn't bother me. They will be in enemy territory one day and some may get caught. Part of the job when you are in enemy territory. Wouldn't think that would be the case when dealing with America.
To torture someone, seems to go against American ideals. Don't you think?
 
To condone torture, it seems the radical muslims have won this round. This is what the radicals want right? Western civilization is breaking down to defeat the evil terrorists.



Torture has always been a part of western civilization. It isn't something new. The practices being employed are new to the American populace, but it's foolish to think that we just started torturing people.

I'd much rather these extremists be interrogated and dropped into the ocean with a weight tied around their feet. No need to even bring them on land.

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Re: CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2009, 12:40:09 PM »
I went through boot camp and it was worse than what they are saying they do to these TERRORISTS.

Forget about the BUDS recruits.  They go through even worse by many miles.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. 

I went through basic training and I'd consider that torture.  lol . . .

Have you seen the articles I've posted about torture American style?  How we have fattened up all those suspected terrorists? 

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Re: CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2009, 12:40:13 PM »

I wonder what the terrorists and future terrorists throughout the world are hoping for as they watch our gov't debate this issue.

I bet they vote for no WB'ing. 

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Re: CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2009, 12:42:17 PM »
I wonder what the terrorists and future terrorists throughout the world are hoping for as they watch our gov't debate this issue.

I bet they vote for no WB'ing. 



This whole debate is a disgrace.

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Re: CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2009, 12:59:49 PM »


Torture has always been a part of western civilization. It isn't something new. The practices being employed are new to the American populace, but it's foolish to think that we just started torturing people.

Yea I know.

I think the fact that there is a dialogue, will lead to bad things in the future. It's becoming mainstream, people are becoming desensitized if they aren't already.

This war on terror is a war on us.



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Re: CIA Chief: Harsh Interrogations Were Effective
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2009, 02:50:40 PM »
Its funny, some of these people think the CIA was invented shortly after 11 Sept 01 or something. These people tried to kill Castro, they knocked over governments, wacked people...were marginally successful against the Soviets. I wonder what planet the libs are on. This is the real world...these people hate us.
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