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ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« on: January 20, 2009, 09:36:47 PM »
GUANTANAMO BAY U.S. NAVAL BASE, Cuba (Reuters) – Hours after taking office on Tuesday, U.S. President Barack Obama ordered military prosecutors in the Guantanamo war crimes tribunals to ask for a 120-day halt in all pending cases.

Military judges were expected to rule on the request on Wednesday at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, an official involved in the trials said.

The request would halt proceedings in 21 pending cases, including the death penalty case against five Guantanamo prisoners accused of plotting the September 11 hijacked plane attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people.

Prosecutors said in their written request that the halt was "in the interests of justice."

Obama has pledged to shut down the Guantanamo prison camp that was widely seen as a stain on the United States' human rights record and a symbol of detainee abuse and detention without charge under the administration of his predecessor, former President George W. Bush.

Human rights activists and military defense lawyers had urged him to halt the special tribunals that are formally known as military commissions and move the prosecutions into the regular U.S. courts.

"In order to permit the newly inaugurated president and his administration time to review the military commission process, generally, and the cases currently pending before the military commissions, specifically, the secretary of defense has, by order of the president directed the chief prosecutor to seek continuances of 120 days in all pending case," prosecutors said in the document.

About 248 foreign captives are still held at the detention center that opened in January 2002. The Bush administration had said it planned to try 80 prisoners on war crimes charges, but only three cases have been completed.

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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2009, 02:16:08 PM »
Gotta agree with the family members. 

9/11 Families Outraged by Obama Call to Suspend Guantanamo War Crimes Trials
Families of victims of terrorist attacks say they are outraged by President Obama's call to halt the trials of detainees at Guantanamo Bay.

FOXNews.com

Wednesday, January 21, 2009

Family members of people killed on September 11 and in other terror attacks say they are outraged by President Obama's draft order calling for the suspension of war crimes trials of prisoners being held at Guantanamo Bay.

"To me it's beyond comprehension that they would take the side of the terrorists," said Peter Gadiel, whose son, James, was killed at the World Trade Center on 9/11. "Many of these people have been released and been right back killing, right back at their terrorist work again."

Obama's request on the first full day of his presidency came as a draft order was being prepared ordering the closing of the Guantanamo prison within a year. A judge responded by halting the case against a Canadian detainee accused of killing an American soldier in Afghanistan, issuing a 120-day continuance in the case.

Critics blasted Obama's decision, which they said would delay justice in cases that have already been waiting for the better part of a decade.

"There is no need to suspend [the military commissions]. There is no reason why [Obama] can't conduct a concurrent review at the same time that the military commission process is moving forward to render justice for the terrorists that have murdered thousands of people," said former Cmdr. Kirk Lippold, who lost 17 sailors during a suicide bombing attack on the USS Cole in 2000. A suspect in the case is being held at Guantanamo.

"It demeans their deaths because we seem to be more concerned with the rights of detainees than we are with the justice that is being denied to my sailors that were killed," Lippold told FOXNews.com.

Obama's request may mark the end of the system used by the Bush administration to try terror suspects. War crimes charges against 21 men are pending at Guantanamo, though the detainees may have to be moved to America or extradited, depending on the administration's plans for them.

The Obama administration is calling for a systematic review of each detainee's case to determine who can be released and who cannot. "It is in the interests of the United States to review whether and how such individuals can and should be prosecuted," says the draft order released on Wednesday.

Some 9/11 families were concerned that if the trials were moved to criminal courts in the U.S., the proceedings would put civilians at risk.

"The safest place to have these trials is Guantanamo Bay. If they were to move to the homeland it would endanger all of us," said Lorraine Arias Believeau of New Jersey, whose brother, Adam, was killed on 9/11.

But human rights groups welcomed the president's draft order, callilng it an important first step for his administration.

"It is a major positive step in the right direction," said Jamil Dakwar, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union who observed pretrial hearings at Guantanamo this week.

If transferred to U.S. courts, some of the detainees might be freed because of the aggressive interrogation techniques used against them. Mohammed al-Qahtani, the alleged "20th hijacker" in the Sept. 11 plot, was interrogated so severely at Guantanamo Bay that Bush administration officials did not refer his case for prosecution.

Some of the accused terrorists, meanwhile, were impatient to have their trials proceed.

"We should continue so we don't go backward, we go forward," Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks told the judge in their case. He is among five detainees accused in the attacks who have asked to be given the death penalty, believing they will become martyrs if they are executed.

Lippold, who helped determine detainee policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff as a strategic planner, said he feels he has a large investment "in making sure that these guys do not return to the fight, that they do not kill again."

He said moving the cases to civilian courts was primarily a political act and could make it difficult to proceed with cases without compromising vital intelligence sources and methods.

"The whole issue of detainees has become so politically charged that people forget that Americans lives are at stake," he told FOXNews.com.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/21/families-outraged-obama-suspend-guantanamo-war-crimes-trials/

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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2009, 03:18:01 PM »
Gotta agree with the family members. 

Good call.

Some 9/11 Families Call for New Investigation into Terrorist Attacks

Washington
11 September 2006

Five years after the September 11th terrorist attacks in the United States, relatives of victims say they still have unanswered questions about what happened that day. Now, some of the families are calling for a new investigation into the 9/11 terror attacks.

A group calling itself the 9/11 Families says it is not satisfied with the lengthy report issued by the independent 9/11 Commission that examined the September 2001 terrorist attacks. The 9/11 Families group has launched a campaign calling for a completely new investigation.

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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2009, 11:19:44 PM »

Obama has pledged to shut down the Guantanamo prison camp that was widely seen as a stain on the United States' human rights record and a symbol of detainee abuse and detention without charge under the administration of his predecessor, former President George W. Bush.




What about the other  prisons all over the world that are ran by the US? are we closing those too? no, this is just politics as usual.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1869519,00.html

Another Gitmo Grows in Afghanistan

The incoming Obama Administration says it wants to shut down the U.S. military prison at Guantánamo Bay. But even if Guantánamo closes, the controversial U.S. practice of jailing suspected al-Qaeda militants and other terrorists indefinitely won't end, because such detentions continue on an even greater scale at the U.S. military base at Bagram, Afghanistan, 40 miles north of Kabul. Approximately 250 detainees are currently being held at Guantánamo; an estimated 670 are locked up under similar conditions at Bagram.

The Obama transition team has declined to comment on whether U.S. detention policy for enemy combatants will change with a new Administration. Nevertheless, the U.S. military is building a new prison for what it calls "unlawful enemy combatants" at Bagram that won't be finished until Obama is well settled in the White House.

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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2009, 12:57:43 AM »
Gotta agree with the family members. 

9/11 Families Outraged by Obama Call to Suspend Guantanamo War Crimes Trials
Families of victims of terrorist attacks say they are outraged by President Obama's call to halt the trials of detainees at Guantanamo Bay.

FOXNews.com

Wednesday, January 21, 2009

Family members of people killed on September 11 and in other terror attacks say they are outraged by President Obama's draft order calling for the suspension of war crimes trials of prisoners being held at Guantanamo Bay.

So let me get this straight - just because a horrible terrorist attack occurs, it means legal protocols and "innocent until proven guilty" goes out the window? ::)

Give me a break.

One of these guys that was actually found guilty, was found guilty of being a glorified taxi driver.

What about all those "terrorists" that were held for several years, and suddenly shipped off back to their home countries, because there were no evidence of them being terrorists or having anything to do with Al Qaida or 9/11?

I'm not saying the persons being held in Guantanamo are excellent citizens. Some might just be sympathizers with Al Qaida, some might be thieves and antidemocratic.

But that doesn't make them terrorists. Doesn't give anyone a reason to hold them as rats in small cages.

Guantanamo is a disgrace.
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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2009, 07:49:16 AM »
So let me get this straight - just because a horrible terrorist attack occurs, it means legal protocols and "innocent until proven guilty" goes out the window? ::)

Give me a break.

One of these guys that was actually found guilty, was found guilty of being a glorified taxi driver.

What about all those "terrorists" that were held for several years, and suddenly shipped off back to their home countries, because there were no evidence of them being terrorists or having anything to do with Al Qaida or 9/11?

I'm not saying the persons being held in Guantanamo are excellent citizens. Some might just be sympathizers with Al Qaida, some might be thieves and antidemocratic.

But that doesn't make them terrorists. Doesn't give anyone a reason to hold them as rats in small cages.

Guantanamo is a disgrace.

 The article I posted explains it all. This is just sugar coating.

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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 08:09:24 AM »
Whatever happens, these people must not be set free.  We know a large % of terrorist will return to terrorism.  Its a way of life and religion for them.
I agree with making sure there is a trial for every detainee but do not let these people go.  Also, closing the base is superficial...its symbolic only.  IMO, its a waste of $ and there will need to be other other facilities that hold terrorist prisoners.

Changing some of the policies and proceedures is fine, letting these people go and wasting $ by abandoning the base is stupid.

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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009, 09:23:20 AM »
Some Dem idiot said that sticking them in any old prison wouldn't be a problem....ok dumbass. How many prisons are ready to repel outside attacks. I'm on Leavenworth, we have schools right next to the DB (disciplanary barracks) where theses animals might have to go.
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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009, 09:42:23 AM »
the real masterminds of 911 are in washington.

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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2009, 09:45:58 AM »
Some Dem idiot said that sticking them in any old prison wouldn't be a problem....ok dumbass. How many prisons are ready to repel outside attacks. I'm on Leavenworth, we have schools right next to the DB (disciplanary barracks) where theses animals might have to go.

Ummmmmm lots of them.  They put a major terror suspect in a Supermax prison in Colorado. 

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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2009, 01:26:40 PM »
Um I was stationed on the biggest military base in Afghanistan, they came on...shot up the well defended prison and got 7 guys out. 1 guy at an underground supermax...sure no problem. 10 guys at Leavenworth or anywhere is a target to big to ignore.
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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2009, 01:40:04 PM »
Some Dem idiot said that sticking them in any old prison wouldn't be a problem....ok dumbass. How many prisons are ready to repel outside attacks. I'm on Leavenworth, we have schools right next to the DB (disciplanary barracks) where theses animals might have to go.
You act like these guys are superhuman villians out of a comic book ::)  They might break loose and doom us all!!!  ZAAP!!!  BOOM!!!

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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2009, 01:45:16 PM »
I guess leaps of logic are beyond u...first off we have schools near the DB...and the problem is that its not beyond AQ to try and break them out. Do u think I'm making this up. Kansas is going nuts already. This will cost the local law enforcement folks money, it will cost U, the tax payer addtional money...on and on. Again u really ought to think of the 2nd and 3rd order effects.
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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2009, 02:00:10 PM »
I guess leaps of logic are beyond u...first off we have schools near the DB...and the problem is that its not beyond AQ to try and break them out. Do u think I'm making this up. Kansas is going nuts already. This will cost the local law enforcement folks money, it will cost U, the tax payer addtional money...on and on. Again u really ought to think of the 2nd and 3rd order effects.
I'm just saying, you're making it sound like we have Magneto in captivity and Obama has sent him to the Mayberry jail. ::) 

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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2009, 10:04:47 AM »
So let me get this straight - just because a horrible terrorist attack occurs, it means legal protocols and "innocent until proven guilty" goes out the window? ::)

Give me a break.

One of these guys that was actually found guilty, was found guilty of being a glorified taxi driver.

What about all those "terrorists" that were held for several years, and suddenly shipped off back to their home countries, because there were no evidence of them being terrorists or having anything to do with Al Qaida or 9/11?

I'm not saying the persons being held in Guantanamo are excellent citizens. Some might just be sympathizers with Al Qaida, some might be thieves and antidemocratic.

But that doesn't make them terrorists. Doesn't give anyone a reason to hold them as rats in small cages.

Guantanamo is a disgrace.

I don't think we should hold people indefinitely without charges, but closing the place down to appease bleeding hearts is a bad idea. 

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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2011, 01:04:31 PM »
Obama to resume military commission trials for Guantánamo detainees
By Sam Youngman - 03/07/11 03:07 PM ET


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/147871-obama-military-commissions-to-resume-for-gitmo-detainees


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President Obama on Monday ordered trials by military commission to resume at Guantánamo Bay.

The move signals another defeat for Obama, who pledged to close the terrorist detention facility in Cuba within one year of taking office.

In a fact sheet, the White House said Obama “remains committed” to closing the facility, but the president’s decision to lift the ban on military commissions signals the unlikelihood that Obama will successfully transfer all of the prisoners in Cuba.

Shortly after Obama came to office and announced his goal of closing the facility, the administration suspended new charges in military commissions in Cuba.


But on Monday, Obama directed Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to “issue an order rescinding his prior suspension on the swearing and referring of new charges in the military commissions.”

The White House said that the president ordered changes in how the commissions were run to make them more fair.

“The administration, working on a bipartisan basis with members of Congress, has successfully enacted key reforms, such as a ban on the use of statements taken as a result of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment and a better system for handling classified information,” the White House said.

“With these and other reforms, military commissions, along with prosecutions of suspected terrorists in civilian courts, are an available and important tool in combating international terrorists that fall within their jurisdiction while upholding the rule of law.”

Additionally, Obama by executive order created a periodic review process for detainees who cannot be tried or released because they represent a continued threat to national security.

The White House said the review “will help to ensure that individuals who we have determined will be subject to long-term detention continue to be detained only when lawful and necessary to protect against a significant threat to the security of the United States.”

“If a final determination is made that a detainee no longer constitutes a significant threat to our security, the Executive Order provides that the Secretaries of State and Defense are to identify a suitable transfer location outside the United States, consistent with the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States and applicable law,” the fact sheet said. “As the president has stated before, no Guantánamo detainee will be released into the United States.”
 

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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2011, 01:21:38 PM »
Change you can't count on!    ::)

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Re: ALL Gitmo prosecutions are ON HOLD!
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2011, 01:32:33 PM »
DU is incomplete meltdown overthis.