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Ok, let me ask you again: If your superiors gave you an order to level out and burn an entire village in Iraq (ala My Lai or No Gun Ri, where there were American atrocities committed against civilian refugees or captured soldiers) would you do it or drop the gun and say "no"?

What?!  :o :o

You mean "ever" or just in the case of Iraq? Because I'll have you know it has happened before. Many times too.



I not asking you about "collateral damage", I'm asking you if you were explicitly asked to "level" a town with everything in it, would you do it?

The question is simple.


There is no obligation to follow an unlawful order. 

Pretty wild hypothetical.  It doesn't happen.  Yes there have been war crimes in the past, but our soldiers are not ordered to "'level' a town with everything in it."  Doesn't happen.  That would be a violation of ROE. 

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Why don't we revisit No Gun Ri. And what happened there. The North was pouring into the South and they had sent ahead saboteurs and spies mixed with the thousands of refugees fleeing NKPA troops. These folks began shooting at American and South Korean army troops to the extent that it began to stall our push north. US troops were put in a horrible position. Vietnam was an all together different story. Today that shit doesn't happen. We don't operate that way. Haditha and the investigation proved our guys didn't murder people. We've had very few problems in iraq. The ones we've had have been delt with swiftly and severly.
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Dude war is evil.  American soldiers did some evil acts in WWII.  The bombing of Dresden was at the hands of the US military.  We dropped bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.  I see your point but at the same time I don't think for a second a majority of soldiers would kill innocent people without question.  Yes it happens and there are some shitty, morally bankrupt soldiers...........just look at Abu Graib.  But to say the US military indiscriminately bombs towns and villages is unfair.

No, I'm not saying the entire military is like that. And believe me, I had to listen to looooong documentaries to reach conclusion. What I am saying is that given the cirsumstances every American soldier should be given the choice to drop their guns if asked to do things that are against our constitution without any fear of reprisal. Of course you're never going to hear your superior tell you "kills all those innocent human beings right over there using all these artillery shells", they will most likely use more succinct or evasive language that will get the same result: You will be doing the killing.

And every time they go on their little corporate wars these military types need to STOP using the "we're doing it for our country" bullshit. No you're not. You're a tool. Wanna know what the patriotic thing to do would be? To treat others (in other countries of course... except New Jeisy) like you'd like to be treated.

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There is no obligation to follow an unlawful order. 

Pretty wild hypothetical.  It doesn't happen.  Yes there have been war crimes in the past, but our soldiers are not ordered to "'level' a town with everything in it."  Doesn't happen.  That would be a violation of ROE.

Of course that's not going to happen!

We fly plane over huge residential building complex, tell our boy-toy that there's a group of towelheads building an atomic bomb and GI Joey from Secaucus drops 2 tons of bombs on people. Superior goes "Ooooops. Wrong coordinates" and the world just keeps going as though nothing happened. Joey the soldier has no idea what he just did and the superiors just play dumb. The investigation ends up going nowhere because of "official" obstacles and nothing happens. No massacre is denounced anywhere, even though PEOPLE DIE.


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If ur gonna post bs like that please tie everything u posted to direct US violence or a an action by US forces that caused it. How much of that was cause by the terrorist shitbags. Libs like u will never ever get it.
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BB and HH, two biggest idiots here. just completely clueless.

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Yep we're idiots,  all this from a CT nut jub who melts after 2 or 3 negative post and sides with terrorist shitbags and guys like Hugo Chavez...ok Hugo whatever u say.
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Yawn.   ::)

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I guess we could do this all day....but I guess u'd still be liberal wackjob after its all over.
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