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Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group
« on: January 23, 2009, 09:00:53 AM »
BEIRUT: The emergence of a former Guantánamo Bay detainee as the deputy leader of Al Qaeda's Yemeni branch has underscored the potential complications in carrying out the executive order that President Barack Obama signed that the detention center be shut down within a year.

The militant, Said Ali al-Shihri, is suspected of involvement in a deadly bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Yemen's capital, Sana, in September. He was released to Saudi Arabia in 2007 and passed through a Saudi rehabilitation program for former jihadists before resurfacing with Al Qaeda in Yemen.

His status was announced in an Internet statement by the militant group and was confirmed by a U.S. counterterrorism official. "They're one and the same guy," said the official, who insisted on anonymity because he was discussing an intelligence analysis. "He returned to Saudi Arabia in 2007, but his movements to Yemen remain unclear."

The development came as Republican legislators criticized the plan to close the Guantánamo Bay detention camp in the absence of any measures for dealing with current detainees. But it also helps explain why the new administration wants to move cautiously, taking time to work out a plan to cope with the complications.

Almost half the camp's remaining detainees are Yemenis, and efforts to repatriate them depend in part on the creation of a Yemeni rehabilitation program - financed in part by the United States - similar to the Saudi one. The Saudi government has claimed that no graduate of its program has returned to terrorism.

Freed by the U.S., Saudi becomes a Qaeda chiefCongolese rebel leader apprehendedGunmen kill Sunni family of 8 in Iraq"The lesson here is: Whoever receives former Guantánamo detainees needs to keep a close eye on them," the U.S. official said.

Although the Pentagon has said that dozens of released Guantánamo detainees have "returned to the fight," its claim is difficult to document and has been met with skepticism. In any case, few of the former detainees, if any, are thought to have joined the leadership of a major terrorist organization like Al Qaeda in Yemen, a mostly homegrown group that experts say has been reinforced lately by an infusion of foreign fighters.

Long considered a haven for jihadists, Yemen, a desperately poor country in the southern corner of the Arabian Peninsula, has witnessed a rising number of deadly attacks over the past year. U.S. officials say they suspect that Shihri may have been involved in the double car bombings outside the U.S. Embassy in Sana on Sept. 16 that killed 16 people, including six of the attackers.

In the Internet statement, Al Qaeda in Yemen identified its new deputy leader as Abu Sayyaf al-Shihri, saying he returned from Guantánamo to his native Saudi Arabia and then traveled to neighboring Yemen "more than 10 months ago." That corresponds roughly to the return of Shihri, a Saudi who was released from Guantánamo in November 2007.

"Abu Sayyaf" is a nom de guerre, commonly used among jihadists in place of their real name or first name.

A Saudi security official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that Shihri had disappeared from his home in Saudi Arabia last year after finishing the rehabilitation program.

A Yemeni journalist who interviewed Al Qaeda's leaders in Yemen last year, Abdulela Shaya, confirmed Thursday that the deputy leader was indeed Shihri, the former Guantánamo detainee. Shaya, in a telephone interview, said Shihri had described to him his journey from Cuba to Yemen and supplied his Guantánamo detention number, 372. That is the correct number, Pentagon documents show.

"It seems certain from all the sources we have that this is the same individual who was released from Guantánamo in 2007," said Gregory Johnsen, a terrorism analyst and the editor of a forthcoming book, "Islam and Insurgency in Yemen."

Shihri, 35, trained in urban warfare tactics at a camp north of Kabul, Afghanistan, according to documents released by the Pentagon as part of his Guantánamo dossier. Two weeks after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, he traveled to Afghanistan via Bahrain and Pakistan, and later he told American investigators that his intention was to do relief work, the documents say. He was wounded in an airstrike and spent a month and a half recovering in a hospital in Pakistan.

The documents state that Shihri met with a group of "extremists" in Iran and helped them get into Afghanistan. They also say he was accused of trying to arrange the assassination of a writer, in accordance with a fatwa, or religious order, issued by an extremist cleric.

However, under a heading describing reasons for Shihri's possible release from Guantánamo, the documents say he claimed that he traveled to Iran "to purchase carpets for his store in Riyadh." They also say that he denied any knowledge of terrorists or association with any, and that he "related that if released, he would like to return to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, wherein he would reunite with his family."

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Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2009, 09:26:48 AM »
you make a good point, hh6.

why did Bush let this scumbag go?

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Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2009, 09:31:16 AM »
He isn't the first there was a detainee killed in Iraq in March.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/world/middleeast/08iraq.html?_r=1

Closing Gitmo is dumb.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2009, 09:35:36 AM »
cue the bleeding hearts that will say "we made them this way, they where perfectly normal law abiding citizens before"

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009, 09:43:06 AM »
we made them this way, they where perfectly normal law abiding citizens before

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Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2009, 09:51:11 AM »
Great.   ::)  Also read this today:  "The Defense Department recently estimated that more than 60 terrorists released from Guantanamo may have returned to the battlefield."  http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/23/gitmo.detainee/index.html

And Obama is closing this place?  Bad decision. 


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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2009, 09:53:07 AM »
Great.   ::)  Also read this today:  "The Defense Department recently estimated that more than 60 terrorists released from Guantanamo may have returned to the battlefield."  http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/23/gitmo.detainee/index.html

And Obama is closing this place?  Bad decision. 


Why did President Bush release those 60 terrorists?

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2009, 05:03:58 PM »
BEIRUT: The emergence of a former Guantánamo Bay detainee as the deputy leader of Al Qaeda's Yemeni branch has underscored the potential complications in carrying out the executive order that President Barack Obama signed that the detention center be shut down within a year.

The militant, Said Ali al-Shihri, is suspected of involvement in a deadly bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Yemen's capital, Sana, in September. He was released to Saudi Arabia in 2007 and passed through a Saudi rehabilitation program for former jihadists before resurfacing with Al Qaeda in Yemen.

His status was announced in an Internet statement by the militant group and was confirmed by a U.S. counterterrorism official. "They're one and the same guy," said the official, who insisted on anonymity because he was discussing an intelligence analysis. "He returned to Saudi Arabia in 2007, but his movements to Yemen remain unclear."

The development came as Republican legislators criticized the plan to close the Guantánamo Bay detention camp in the absence of any measures for dealing with current detainees. But it also helps explain why the new administration wants to move cautiously, taking time to work out a plan to cope with the complications.

Almost half the camp's remaining detainees are Yemenis, and efforts to repatriate them depend in part on the creation of a Yemeni rehabilitation program - financed in part by the United States - similar to the Saudi one. The Saudi government has claimed that no graduate of its program has returned to terrorism.

Freed by the U.S., Saudi becomes a Qaeda chiefCongolese rebel leader apprehendedGunmen kill Sunni family of 8 in Iraq"The lesson here is: Whoever receives former Guantánamo detainees needs to keep a close eye on them," the U.S. official said.

Although the Pentagon has said that dozens of released Guantánamo detainees have "returned to the fight," its claim is difficult to document and has been met with skepticism. In any case, few of the former detainees, if any, are thought to have joined the leadership of a major terrorist organization like Al Qaeda in Yemen, a mostly homegrown group that experts say has been reinforced lately by an infusion of foreign fighters.

Long considered a haven for jihadists, Yemen, a desperately poor country in the southern corner of the Arabian Peninsula, has witnessed a rising number of deadly attacks over the past year. U.S. officials say they suspect that Shihri may have been involved in the double car bombings outside the U.S. Embassy in Sana on Sept. 16 that killed 16 people, including six of the attackers.

In the Internet statement, Al Qaeda in Yemen identified its new deputy leader as Abu Sayyaf al-Shihri, saying he returned from Guantánamo to his native Saudi Arabia and then traveled to neighboring Yemen "more than 10 months ago." That corresponds roughly to the return of Shihri, a Saudi who was released from Guantánamo in November 2007.

"Abu Sayyaf" is a nom de guerre, commonly used among jihadists in place of their real name or first name.

A Saudi security official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that Shihri had disappeared from his home in Saudi Arabia last year after finishing the rehabilitation program.

A Yemeni journalist who interviewed Al Qaeda's leaders in Yemen last year, Abdulela Shaya, confirmed Thursday that the deputy leader was indeed Shihri, the former Guantánamo detainee. Shaya, in a telephone interview, said Shihri had described to him his journey from Cuba to Yemen and supplied his Guantánamo detention number, 372. That is the correct number, Pentagon documents show.

"It seems certain from all the sources we have that this is the same individual who was released from Guantánamo in 2007," said Gregory Johnsen, a terrorism analyst and the editor of a forthcoming book, "Islam and Insurgency in Yemen."

Shihri, 35, trained in urban warfare tactics at a camp north of Kabul, Afghanistan, according to documents released by the Pentagon as part of his Guantánamo dossier. Two weeks after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, he traveled to Afghanistan via Bahrain and Pakistan, and later he told American investigators that his intention was to do relief work, the documents say. He was wounded in an airstrike and spent a month and a half recovering in a hospital in Pakistan.

The documents state that Shihri met with a group of "extremists" in Iran and helped them get into Afghanistan. They also say he was accused of trying to arrange the assassination of a writer, in accordance with a fatwa, or religious order, issued by an extremist cleric.

However, under a heading describing reasons for Shihri's possible release from Guantánamo, the documents say he claimed that he traveled to Iran "to purchase carpets for his store in Riyadh." They also say that he denied any knowledge of terrorists or association with any, and that he "related that if released, he would like to return to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, wherein he would reunite with his family."



What it underscores is the colossal waste of time, energy and tax payer money, the Guantanamo Bay facility was.

He wasn't released as a result of President Obama's executive order.
He was released over a year ago because everything about Guantanamo Bay was fucked up.

All the more reason to shut it down!
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Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2009, 05:28:45 PM »
What it underscores is the colossal waste of time, energy and tax payer money, the Guantanamo Bay facility was.

He wasn't released as a result of President Obama's executive order.
He was released over a year ago because everything about Guantanamo Bay was fucked up.

All the more reason to shut it down!
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Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2009, 02:02:07 AM »

Why did President Bush release those 60 terrorists?


BS liberal leftist pressure like you to close Gu was probably the reason.

So you support Obama closing the ENTIRE thing yet you complain that Bush due to pressure released some fuckers.

You neo liberals suck, seriously, fucking retards.

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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2009, 02:09:16 AM »

BS liberal leftist pressure like you to close Gu was probably the reason.

So you support Obama closing the ENTIRE thing yet you complain that Bush due to pressure released some fuckers.

You neo liberals suck, seriously, fucking retards.

Obama has not said what he will do with them yet so he has not set anyone free.  So yeah.... Bush does have to answer why he let these terrorists back on the battlefield.

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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2009, 05:27:33 AM »
BS liberal leftist pressure like you to close Gu was probably the reason.

So you're saying Bush had the balls to say "The Iraq war proceeds, even ig 99% of Americans are against it"...

But he caved to the demands of even fewer anti-Gitmo complainers?

Sorry, that logic doesn't fly, champ ;)

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2009, 05:30:56 AM »
So you're saying Bush had the balls to say "The Iraq war proceeds, even ig 99% of Americans are against it"...

But he caved to the demands of even fewer anti-Gitmo complainers?

Sorry, that logic doesn't fly, champ ;)

Common sense isn't allowed on this board.

You should know that by now.

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Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2009, 08:18:48 AM »
240 ur logic and depth of knowledge on this is minimal. Instead of 911 ct bullshit maybe u ought to pay attention to whats been going on as far as gitmo since it opened. Bush has been under alot of pressure internally and externally to close the camp. Many inside wanted to turn these scumbags over to their own people. This particular guy was AQ's travel agent before he was picked up. That blithering idiot maddow makes it sound like he was some random guy picked up and then radicalized in prison. Bullshit, Bush tried to do the right thing, based on leftist lib bullshit....If this was Obama's hero FDR...they would have bee tried and executed. If it was honest Abe...they would have been hung.
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Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2009, 08:48:15 AM »
Just keep anyone we capture forever, because they might end up being #2.

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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2009, 08:55:42 AM »
Just keep anyone we capture forever, because they might end up being #2.
just throw them all in rehibilitation camps b/c they are humans too and might be rehabilitated.

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Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2009, 08:58:25 AM »
just throw them all in rehibilitation camps b/c they are humans too and might be rehabilitated.

If they are 11 year old children yes.

If they are adults, we got to decide if they POW's or Criminals.  this Enemy combatant shit is stupid. 

Maybe we should keep them as long as the war is going?

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Re: Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2009, 09:04:59 AM »
If they are 11 year old children yes.

If they are adults, we got to decide if they POW's or Criminals.  this Enemy combatant shit is stupid. 

Maybe we should keep them as long as the war is going?
problem is its not a conventional war in all likely hood we will fight this war for the rest of time or until the radical muslims find somebody else to fight. They arent fighting for a country, they are criminals/enemy combatants plain and simple.

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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2009, 10:07:09 AM »
problem is its not a conventional war in all likely hood we will fight this war for the rest of time or until the radical muslims find somebody else to fight. They arent fighting for a country, they are criminals/enemy combatants plain and simple.

Agreed.  This needs to evolve into a police action.

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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2009, 11:39:30 AM »
The enemy combatant was an invention of this war. It is what they are but its not a status and has presented problems for the US. I have no idea what to do with them and neither does Obama...he has 3 types...those that go back if he can ship em back....those we try...and those we can never try.
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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2009, 11:41:05 AM »
Palin 2012! :-*

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« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2009, 02:06:06 PM »
The enemy combatant was an invention of this war. It is what they are but its not a status and has presented problems for the US. I have no idea what to do with them and neither does Obama...he has 3 types...those that go back if he can ship em back....those we try...and those we can never try.

Kill them all and let god sort them out?  ;)

Seriously now, people seem to forgot how wars are fought since they are so used to some country like Serbia/Kongo or whatever just killing some people and then a superpower coming and scaring everyone with 2 F15's.

Real wars are harsh and tough shit happens in them.