War on Drugs...A vote.

[Eyeball Chambers]

Coca leaves (not processed into Cocaine)?   NO

 

As far as I know they're almost completely harmless?

[liberalismo]

As far as I know they're almost completely harmless?

Coca leaves are quite harmless. MOST psychoactive plants are quite harmless unless used in copious amounts all day (like tobacco smokers do).

Chewing Coca leaves would be great before a gym work out. Elevates mood, gives energy, increases mental awareness and insight, increases strength. Addiction is very rare and any habit for it is very mild when it does exist. Nothing like Cocaine. It's a natural plant.

[OzmO]

I probably don't know enough about making cocaine, but i figured that if the leaves are available what is to stop someone from making full on coke?

[MRDUMPLING]

Or heroin from opiates.  I think some people also forget that at one time(the opiate wars) 1/3 of the Chinese were addicted to some type of opiate.  While not necessarily harmful to others per se it is as a societal problem. 

[liberalismo]

I probably don't know enough about making cocaine, but i figured that if the leaves are available what is to stop someone from making full on coke?

Not much. Cocaine is so freely available right now that's it's comical that anyone would want to outlaw coca plants on the basis that cocaine might result from it.

While we're at it, let's outlaw Rye bread because LSD might be made from it.

[liberalismo]

It really upsets me when people hear the word "psychoactive" and instantly think "bad" or "dangerous" or other negative emotions they associate with it.

The term PSYCHOACTIVE only means that the plant changes the way people think or feel. That's it. Tobacco, Coffee, Guarana, etc. all included.

There are tons of very benign and safe psychoactive plants in the world, used traditionally for THOUSANDS of years.

Human beings have a the right to put whatever they want into their bodies, as long as it doesn't necessarily harm other people. This is especially true of natural plants.

Any country that throws people in prison over growing, selling or smoking a PLANT is NOT A FREE COUNTRY.

[big L dawg]

I love LSD and shrooms

[liberalismo]

I love LSD and shrooms

LSD has tons of potential for psychological or psychotherapy benefits if used under control of a medical professional. It also has a lot of potential for changing people's outlook on life, from negative to positive. Someone with a totally negative and sad outlook on life can use LSD one time and have a renewed outlook.


Mushrooms are much milder and have also been used for THOUSANDS of years traditionally.



People who use these plants just to get "Fucked up" or "Wasted" will only get negative results from them.

People who use the plants to increase insight, enhance life, improve their wellbeing or worldviews usually get positive results from it.

[Bindare_Dundat]

The PROBLEM I see in this thread is that people tend to want the drugs that they use legal but the drugs that they have never used or know nothing about to remain illegal.

[big L dawg]

LSD has tons of potential for psychological or psychotherapy benefits if used under control of a medical professional. It also has a lot of potential for changing people's outlook on life, from negative to positive. Someone with a totally negative and sad outlook on life can use LSD one time and have a renewed outlook.


Mushrooms are much milder and have also been used for THOUSANDS of years traditionally.



People who use these plants just to get "Fucked up" or "Wasted" will only get negative results from them.

People who use the plants to increase insight, enhance life, improve their wellbeing or worldviews usually get positive results from it.

hey all I know is add a little zepplin or floyd to the mix and enjoy the ride.

[OzmO]

Not much. Cocaine is so freely available right now that's it's comical that anyone would want to outlaw coca plants on the basis that cocaine might result from it.

While we're at it, let's outlaw Rye bread because LSD might be made from it.

lol,  how do you make LSD out of rye bread?  is it easy?

[liberalismo]

lol,  how do you make LSD out of rye bread?  is it easy?

It's not easy to make LSD from rye. (You are aware that LSD is created from Ergot on Rye bread, aren't you?)

It's also not easy to make cocaine hydrochloride from Coca plants. Of course, if given the opportunity, there will be people who will make Cocaine from them, but it won't make a difference. Cocaine is already freely and easily available and legalizing the plant itself would not likely make any real difference.

[Bindare_Dundat]

It's not easy to make LSD from rye. (You are aware that LSD is created from Ergot on Rye bread, aren't you?)

That was the good old days when people ate stored bread and then were possessed by the devil. 

[liberalismo]

Coca plant

[Soul Crusher]

I have never done an illegal drug in my life, but greatly disagree about waging a "war" on drugs. 

In name of this war the govt has usurped many freedoms and has nothing whatever to show for it.

This "war" only causes our taxes to go up and keep many people in jail who have no business there.

It also has greatly contributed to the gang problems.

[OzmO]

It's not easy to make LSD from rye. (You are aware that LSD is created from Ergot on Rye bread, aren't you?)

It's also not easy to make cocaine hydrochloride from Coca plants. Of course, if given the opportunity, there will be people who will make Cocaine from them, but it won't make a difference. Cocaine is already freely and easily available and legalizing the plant itself would not likely make any real difference.

Never knew that.

I've leaned towards legalizing it all.  Just have a hard time with some of the hard core drugs because of what I've seen it do to people.

No argument as to the availability. 

[SAMSON123]

I want to get a general idea of who here supports and who opposes the war on drugs. I'm going to list several notable illegal drugs and I want everyone to tell me whether or not they believe that they should available for recreational purposes (without prescription) to adults.
A simple "Yes" or "No" after each drug listed. If you want to give details, be brief.





Should Marijuana be available to adults without a prescription? Yes or No?

Anabolic Steroids?  YES

Opium?  YES

Pain killers?  YES

LSD?   YES

Alcohol?  ALREADY AVAILABLE

Nicotine?   ALREADY AVAILABLE

Cocaine?   YES

Coca leaves (not processed into Cocaine)?   YES

Hallucinogenic plants?   YES

Psychoactive plants beside marijuana, coca and poppy?   YES

Heroin?   YES

Human Growth hormone?   YES

Hemp?   YES

Once all of these things are LEGALIZED the populace that indulges will no longer have to get it through nefarious means...thereby eliminating drug dealers, runners, fake drugs, as well as freeing up the wasteful spending of imprisoning people at a cost of 75,000 per person per year. Also gets rid of the massive number of bullshit cops who also peddle drugs heavily in america. I do believe that even with legalization a criteria has to be enforced. For example drugs will be purchased at DRUG SHOPS and all of it must be used while in the shop at the time of purchase. NO SMOKING WEED WHILE WALKING THE STREETS, SITTING IN MOVIE THEATRES, AT SPORTS STADIUMS OR EVENTS/CONCERTS etc etc

[SAMSON123]

Or heroin from opiates.  I think some people also forget that at one time(the opiate wars) 1/3 of the Chinese were addicted to some type of opiate.  While not necessarily harmful to others per se it is as a societal problem. 

Thanks to america and europe both God forsaken nations tried to get the Chinese addicted to Opium in order to conquer China, however the Chinese government at the time saw through america's game and slammed the door on drug importation and saved China from an assured destruction.