Yep, Close Gitmo, Great Idea

[The Coach]

 



As President Obama pushes for the closure of Guantanamo Bay prison, the debate over where to house the terror detainees being held there is heating up.

An exclusive video of a former Gitmo detainee's martyrdom tape, obtained by FOX News, is a reminder of the concerns that terror suspects — who have been held but released from Guantanamo Bay — are increasingly returning to the fight against the United States and its allies.

Abdallah Ali al-Ajmi was transferred back to his home country of Kuwait after his release from Guantanamo in 2005. Last April he blew himself up in a homicide attack that killed 12 people in Mosul, Iraq.

Al-Ajmi, known in Guantanamo as Detainee 220, made his martyrdom tape before the attack.

"In the name of Allah, most compassionate, most merciful and prayers and peace be upon our Prophet," al-Ajmi says in the video. "I thank Allah, Lord of the Worlds, who freed me from Guantanamo prison and, after we were tortured, connected me with the Islamic State of Iraq [ISI]. And it is the gift of Allah to follow the path of this nation, the ISI."

In the video, translated by the NEFA Foundation, a non-profit that tracks terror groups, al-Ajmi mentions Guantanamo Bay right away. For many jihadists, having served time at Guantanamo is seen as a badge of honor.

Click here to visit the NEFA Foundation Web site.

Al-Ajmi's attack is one of the most well known and well documented cases of an ex-Gitmo detainee returning to the battlefield as a homicide bomber. His video renews concerns of many in the intelligence community of the potential consequences by releasing these prisoners.

Sixty-two detainees released from the U.S. Navy base prison in Cuba are believed to have rejoined the fight, said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell, citing data from December. That's up from 37 as of March 2008, Morrell said.

The new figures come as President-elect Barack Obama issued an executive order last week to close the controversial prison. It's unlikely, however, that the Guantanamo detention facility will be closed anytime soon as Obama weighs what to do with the estimated 250 Al Qaeda, Taliban or other foreign fighter suspects still there.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,483764,00.html

[240 is Back]

we're not going to set these pricks free.

Hell, putting the in gen pop at Rikers will mean they can get shanked in privacy, instead of being protected by human rights watchers.

[Hedgehog]

Coach, I am a little surprised that you, as a Christian, don't support the closing of Guantanamo.
  

[Dos Equis]

Brilliant.   

[tonymctones]

we're not going to set these pricks free.

Hell, putting the in gen pop at Rikers will mean they can get shanked in privacy, instead of being protected by human rights watchers.

yet you are all for closing gitmo?  they wont be put in general population in any city they will more then likely be put in another military prison of sorts just like gitmo. Congrats on doing nothing.

[JOHN MATRIX]

you guys had your chance. but the nation and the world has spoken, and the other guys are gonna make the decisions for you now. dont worry, its for your own good

[Straw Man]

We have other terrorists in jail in the US

I'm sure we can deal with them just fine

[240 is Back]

yet you are all for closing gitmo?  they wont be put in general population in any city they will more then likely be put in another military prison of sorts just like gitmo. Congrats on doing nothing.

Gitmo is a recruiting tool used by jihadists, warlords, and sheihks.

We can get the same results, and lock the fvckers up just the same, in other unknown places.  With better results.  You don't have amnesty intl and the red cross crying a river every time one of them scrapes his knee.

yes, close gitmo.  It's a sign of boastful ignorance, and along with abu ghirab, a really good tool for recruiting bad guys.  obama can renew relationships with these country, and un-piss off their young suicide bombers... and we can still beat the shit out of the bad guys somewhere else

[Fury]

These people should never foot on soil after captured. The CIA should shuttle them among prison ships, keeping them out at sea, interrogate them, and drop them in the ocean. No skin off our back and no one needs to know about it.

[240 is Back]

These people should never foot on soil after captured. The CIA should shuttle them among prison ships, keeping them out at sea, interrogate them, and drop them in the ocean. No skin off our back and no one needs to know about it.

Yep.

That's what Bush SHOULD have done. 

Instead, he put his ego first and had to bunk them like cages in the sun to punk them in front of the world.

In every other aministration, they'd be quietly getting their balls shocked and waterboarded in Egypt or Syria... we'd get good intel, they'd disappear.

Instead, we had to "show off" that we are that ruthless and badass... it sure recruited a lot of suicide bombers.  But it made bush's ego feel good, huh?

[Fury]

Yep.

That's what Bush SHOULD have done. 

Instead, he put his ego first and had to bunk them like cages in the sun to punk them in front of the world.

In every other aministration, they'd be quietly getting their balls shocked and waterboarded in Egypt or Syria... we'd get good intel, they'd disappear.

Instead, we had to "show off" that we are that ruthless and badass... it sure recruited a lot of suicide bombers.  But it made bush's ego feel good, huh?

Exactly.

[tonymctones]

Gitmo is a recruiting tool used by jihadists, warlords, and sheihks.

We can get the same results, and lock the fvckers up just the same, in other unknown places.  With better results.  You don't have amnesty intl and the red cross crying a river every time one of them scrapes his knee.

yes, close gitmo.  It's a sign of boastful ignorance, and along with abu ghirab, a really good tool for recruiting bad guys.  obama can renew relationships with these country, and un-piss off their young suicide bombers... and we can still beat the shit out of the bad guys somewhere else

LOL you are one of the ones touting how torture is wrong and going after bush and others for torture now your okaying it with barry?

[tu_holmes]

Um... Do you not believe that locking someone up for years who ISN'T a terrorist, could perhaps TURN them into a terrorist.

I mean... I'm not trying to blow anyone up, but you take my freedom and treat me like a dog for years and I'm probably going to find a way to kill you too.

Sounds like it's a breeding ground for the creation of terrorists to me.

[tonymctones]

Um... Do you not believe that locking someone up for years who ISN'T a terrorist, could perhaps TURN them into a terrorist.

I mean... I'm not trying to blow anyone up, but you take my freedom and treat me like a dog for years and I'm probably going to find a way to kill you too.

Sounds like it's a breeding ground for the creation of terrorists to me.

many ppl here in the states are falsely imprisoned and not one has gone crazy and blown themselves up or gone after the judge or prosecutor that i know of. Its the ppl bro not the situation, i understand what your saying and can agree that it would produce animosity towards the US. However if you werent already a radical islamist you would probably go back to your home or family and try and get back to as normal a life as you could NOT go blow yourself up.

[tu_holmes]

many ppl here in the states are falsely imprisoned and not one has gone crazy and blown themselves up or gone after the judge or prosecutor that i know of. Its the ppl bro not the situation, i understand what your saying and can agree that it would produce animosity towards the US. However if you werent already a radical islamist you would probably go back to your home or family and try and get back to as normal a life as you could NOT go blow yourself up.

Maybe I wouldn't blow myself up... but I might go around killing other people... Perhaps government officials and shit like that.

I'm just saying it's easy to say they were bad when they hadn't done anything and you cage them like animals... What do you expect them to be when you let them out of the cage?

The animal is still there, there's just no cage any longer.

[tonymctones]

Maybe I wouldn't blow myself up... but I might go around killing other people... Perhaps government officials and shit like that.

I'm just saying it's easy to say they were bad when they hadn't done anything and you cage them like animals... What do you expect them to be when you let them out of the cage?

The animal is still there, there's just no cage any longer.

i agree but its also very easy to say hey they let him go and he went terrorist, so that means he was made a terrorist in gitmo 

[Fury]

Maybe I wouldn't blow myself up... but I might go around killing other people... Perhaps government officials and shit like that.

I'm just saying it's easy to say they were bad when they hadn't done anything and you cage them like animals... What do you expect them to be when you let them out of the cage?

The animal is still there, there's just no cage any longer.

Most of the guys who have gone back to the violence were picked up on the battlefield in the first place.

[tu_holmes]

i agree but its also very easy to say hey they let him go and he went terrorist, so that means he was made a terrorist in gitmo 

Why the rolly eyes man?

I'm not saying it's a clear cut thing either way... but what I am saying is you have to ask yourself whether or not you're helping the situation or hurting it... I don't think Gitmo really HELPED anything.

You may disagree, but I'm sure there's just as much evidence to protect my way of thinking as there is yours.

I'm just not rolling my eyes about it.

[tonymctones]

Why the rolly eyes man?

I'm not saying it's a clear cut thing either way... but what I am saying is you have to ask yourself whether or not you're helping the situation or hurting it... I don't think Gitmo really HELPED anything.

You may disagree, but I'm sure there's just as much evidence to protect my way of thinking as there is yours.

I'm just not rolling my eyes about it.

im not rolling my eyes at you bro, just the idea that these ppl are mostly innocent which many ppl on here seem to believe the luke being a prime example. Im sure that there are a few that are innocent but the vast majority probably arent or have knowledge that would be useful to our cause.

[tu_holmes]

im not rolling my eyes at you bro, just the idea that these ppl are mostly innocent which many ppl on here seem to believe the luke being a prime example. Im sure that there are a few that are innocent but the vast majority probably arent or have knowledge that would be useful to our cause.

Most of the guys who have gone back to the violence were picked up on the battlefield in the first place.

Understood... but those who weren't picked up on the battlefield... Then what?

How do we know?

I'd rather let 100 guilty men go than to lock up one innocent dude... That's just me though.

[tonymctones]

Understood... but those who weren't picked up on the battlefield... Then what?

How do we know?

I'd rather let 100 guilty men go than to lock up one innocent dude... That's just me though.

fundamental difference in liberals and conservatives right there i believe anyways, Id rather lock up one innocent dude if that means that 100 guilty men are locked up as well...Same thing with spending, liberals believe the government does a better job of spending money then individuals just fundamental differences.

[tu_holmes]

fundamental difference in liberals and conservatives right there i believe anyways, Id rather lock up one innocent dude if that means that 100 guilty men are locked up as well...Same thing with spending, liberals believe the government does a better job of spending money then individuals just fundamental differences.

I guess I don't see taking away any one persons freedom as the right path.

I never think the government does a better job of spending money than I do... I can see where they do nothing but fuck it up.

You can say it's a difference between conservative and liberal, but I believe that at the heart of this nation is the belief that people should remain free to make their own choices for themselves, and the quickest way to take away someones ability to make their own choices is to lock them up.

To me, taking away someone's freedom is the last thing you should do.

[tonymctones]

I guess I don't see taking away any one persons freedom as the right path.

I never think the government does a better job of spending money than I do... I can see where they do nothing but fuck it up.

You can say it's a difference between conservative and liberal, but I believe that at the heart of this nation is the belief that people should remain free to make their own choices for themselves, and the quickest way to take away someones ability to make their own choices is to lock them up.

To me, taking away someone's freedom is the last thing you should do.

again ive said this time and time again "right and wrong" "good and bad" are nothing more than perspective. My thinking is that if taking away one persons freedom allows others freedoms from being infringed upon then thats a sacrifice that needs to be made. I understand the it doesnt flow with ideologies but ideologies arent always realistic which is why they are ideologies. I like and respect the fact that ppl try and hold themselves to a certain standard and so do I but you cant loose touch with reality which happens when you try and follow a certain ideology in all cases.

[Soul Crusher]

Coach, I am a little surprised that you, as a Christian, don't support the closing of Guantanamo.
  

Please.  Our recruits go through far worse in boot camp.  This is just another delusion pushed by naive little cry babies.

[Rimbaud]

Coach, I am a little surprised that you, as a Christian, don't support the closing of Guantanamo.
  

Seriously why does that surprize you?


The issue I have with Coach is that he wishes/hopes/prays that Obama fails. I didn't like George Bush but I never wished he failed.