Illegal Aliens to get Checks under Obama/Pelosi Plan. CHANGE!!!!!!!!

[240 is Back]

Remember, Obama had the most liberal voting record in Congress.

That means the majority of americans are ready for liberal policies.

The pendulum swings.  Expect little voter fatigue in 2012, but Obama will win handily.  By 2016, however, we'll all be toasty in middle or upper-middle class happiness, and ready for an ass-kicking warmonger.  And then we'll get 8 years of jeb

[tonymctones]

That means the majority of americans are ready for liberal policies.

The pendulum swings.  Expect little voter fatigue in 2012, but Obama will win handily.  By 2016, however, we'll all be toasty in middle or upper-middle class happiness, and ready for an ass-kicking warmonger.  And then we'll get 8 years of jeb

no dumb ass he ran on a platform of BIPARTISANSHIP not extreme leftist agenda.

[Soul Crusher]

That means the majority of americans are ready for liberal policies.

The pendulum swings.  Expect little voter fatigue in 2012, but Obama will win handily.  By 2016, however, we'll all be toasty in middle or upper-middle class happiness, and ready for an ass-kicking warmonger.  And then we'll get 8 years of jeb

You really are on drugs. 

People were sick of Bush, not embracing insane liberal whack job policies.  Additionally, Obama was good at fooling over 50% of the fools he was a centrist. 

[240 is Back]

You really are on drugs. 

People were sick of Bush, not embracing insane liberal whack job policies.  Additionally, Obama was good at fooling over 50% of the fools he was a centrist. 

sorry.  it's about $.  it's that simple. 

[24KT]

Are you saying that illegal aliens don't shop, buy food, clothing, or in any way spend money that stimulates the economy?

I'm willing to bet there are countless Mom & Pop grocery stores in LA, that might be hurting for business.

I betcha they'd want illegal aliens shopping in their stores giving them business, purchasing American made goods from their shelves that keep American workers employed.  You can't cut your nose off to spite your face. Like it or not, part of the population is made up of illegal aliens. The more money they have, the more money they spend, and the more it stimulates the economy, keeping people employed, and keeping businesses and manufacturers in business.

[Soul Crusher]

Are you saying that illegal aliens don't shop, buy food, clothing, or in any way spend money that stimulates the economy?

I'm willing to bet there are countless Mom & Pop grocery stores in LA, that might be hurting for business.

I betcha they'd want illegal aliens shopping in their stores giving them business, purchasing American made goods from their shelves that keep American workers employed.  You can't cut your nose off to spite your face. Like it or not, part of the population is made up of illegal aliens. The more money they have, the more money they spend, and the more it stimulates the economy, keeping people employed, and keeping businesses and manufacturers in business.

Great.  Lets give away the entire freaking country while we are at it.

Send them back home.

[Grape Ape]

Are you saying that illegal aliens don't shop, buy food, clothing, or in any way spend money that stimulates the economy?

I'm willing to bet there are countless Mom & Pop grocery stores in LA, that might be hurting for business.

I betcha they'd want illegal aliens shopping in their stores giving them business, purchasing American made goods from their shelves that keep American workers employed.  You can't cut your nose off to spite your face. Like it or not, part of the population is made up of illegal aliens. The more money they have, the more money they spend, and the more it stimulates the economy, keeping people employed, and keeping businesses and manufacturers in business.

Wow, all this time I thought two wrongs DIDN'T make a right.    Jag just dissolved that myth!

[24KT]

Great.  Lets give away the entire freaking country while we are at it.

Send them back home.

Do that, ...and the cost of your food goes waaay up.

Do that, ...and you break the economies of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas worse than it already is.

[Soul Crusher]

Wow, all this time I thought two wrongs DIDN'T make a right.    Jag just dissolved that myth!

What we are seeing is the liberal's gone wild.  Every dream of theirs now can be fulfilled.  Every welfare plan, every homo plan, every spending bonanza, every insane policy they ever dreamed of is going to be pushed.

Obama is Pelosi's cabana boy and he is going to rubber stamp everything they give him.

[Soul Crusher]

Do that, ...and the cost of your food goes waaay up.

Do that, ...and you break the economies of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas worse than it already is.

California is already broke you dope and cant even afford to send people back tax refund checks because of these invaders and leeches.

I would gladly pay more for food if they would deport these tax scofflaws and employ AMERICAN CITIZENS who need the work.

I would also jail employers of illegal aliens a year per employee hired. 

[shootfighter1]

But Jag, sales tax is only one of many taxes we pay and proportionally less than others.  Depending on your state, sales tax varies...here it is 7.75%.  Illegals avoid all other taxes and its not at all fair.  If I didn't have to pay Federal, state, local, medicare, rita, property tax and the rest of it, I'd have a lot more disposable income to spend too.  No way in hell should they receive the same rebate on paying sales tax only.

Illegals harm government taxation twice because the employer avoids paying their 1/2 of payroll tax then the illegal doesn't report earnings and pays no tax on that $ either.  The rest of us pay somewhere between 25-40% total taxes of earned amounts when you add all the taxes together.  

[Soul Crusher]

But Jag, sales tax is only one of many taxes we pay and proportionally less than others.  Depending on your state, sales tax varies...here it is 7.75%.  Illegals avoid all other taxes and its not at all fair.  If I didn't have to pay Federal, state, local, medicare, rita, property tax and the rest of it, I'd have a lot more disposable income to spend too.  No way in hell should they receive the same rebate on paying sales tax only.

Illegals harm government taxation twice because the employer avoids paying their 1/2 of payroll tax then the illegal doesn't report earnings and pays no tax on that $ either.  The rest of us pay somewhere between 25-40% total taxes of earned amounts when you add all the taxes together.  

Illegals also depress wages for legal citizens and make it impossible for legal citizens to get gainful employment in sectors previously used to employ many lower educated people.  Those jobs used to pay good salaries but now pay nothing because illegal aliens depressed the wages.

Anyone who supports illegal immigration is a traitor.

[JOHN MATRIX]

What we are seeing is the liberal's gone wild.  Every dream of theirs now can be fulfilled.  Every welfare plan, every homo plan, every spending bonanza, every insane policy they ever dreamed of is going to be pushed.

Obama is Pelosi's cabana boy and he is going to rubber stamp everything they give him.

honestly why dose this upset you so much? you seem to really be taking it too personally

[Soul Crusher]

honestly why dose this upset you so much? you seem to really be taking it too personally

Maybe because I work over 60 hours a week and have to pay for this garbage with crazy high taxes to people who refuse to get off their lazy asses and improve their lives. 

Obviously you are one of those people who seek to leech off the taxpayer, not be one.

[shootfighter1]

Matrix, its a big deal.  This is the largest package of government spending ever.  More $ than the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars combined.  If we don't pay a great deal of attention to it, we are at fault if it fails.

[JOHN MATRIX]

Maybe because I work over 60 hours a week and have to pay for this garbage with crazy high taxes to people who refuse to get off their lazy asses and improve their lives. 

Obviously you are one of those people who seek to leech off the taxpayer, not be one.

1. its not worth living if you work 60 hours a week
2. you spend too much time on getbig to 'work' 60 hours a week

[Soul Crusher]

1. its not worth living if you work 60 hours a week
2. you spend too much time on getbig to 'work' 60 hours a week

I work for myself and am on the computer and phone all day.  I post while I am in lengthy conversations with people, attorneys, law firms, deadbeats, clients, etc. 

[Eric2]

Hill Republican: Stimulus aids illegal immigrants 
 
Jan 29 12:02 PM US/Eastern
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
Associated Press Writer 36 Comments         
 
 
  WASHINGTON (AP) - The $800 billion-plus economic stimulus measure making its way through Congress could steer government checks to illegal immigrants, a top Republican congressional official asserted Thursday.
The legislation, which would send tax credits of $500 per worker and $1,000 per couple, expressly disqualifies nonresident aliens, but it would allow people who don't have Social Security numbers to be eligible for the checks.

Undocumented immigrants who are not eligible for a Social Security number can file tax returns with an alternative number. A House-passed version of the economic recovery bill and one making its way through the Senate would allow anyone with such a number, called an individual taxpayer identification number, to qualify for the tax credits.

A revolt among GOP conservatives to similar provisions of a 2008 economic stimulus bill, which sent rebate checks to most wage earners, forced Democratic congressional leaders to add stricter eligibility requirements. That legislation, enacted in February 2008, required that people have valid Social Security numbers in order to get checks.

The GOP official voiced concerns about the latest economic aid measure on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss it publicly.

Republicans have already blasted the package for including what they argue is wasteful spending and omitting tax cuts for wealthier people and businesses they say are needed to jump-start the anemic economy.

Not a single Republican voted for an $819 billion version of the plan when it passed the House on Wednesday.

GOP senators arranged a midday news conference to voice their concerns.
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 

This is how Obomination was elected.  You give the ignorant immigrants something for nothing an make sure that the only thing they know was that it was a democrap who made it possible. Who do you think they will vote for?

[Grape Ape]

2. you spend too much time on getbig to 'work' 60 hours a week

If you work on a PC, it's easy to rack up post counts over a 8-10 hrs workday.

[Grape Ape]

What bothers me greatly about this bailout is that AMT is not addressed.  This would put thousands of dollars back into the hands of the type of people who will spend it.

[Soul Crusher]

What bothers me greatly about this bailout is that AMT is not addressed.  This would put thousands of dollars back into the hands of the type of people who will spend it.

Dont you get it already?  Its not about stimulus.  Its about spending money on people who voted for Obama and Pelosi.

[Eric2]

A stimulus would get spent right away. this plan is spread out over 4 years and beyond?

[24KT]

But Jag, sales tax is only one of many taxes we pay and proportionally less than others.  Depending on your state, sales tax varies...here it is 7.75%.  Illegals avoid all other taxes and its not at all fair.  If I didn't have to pay Federal, state, local, medicare, rita, property tax and the rest of it, I'd have a lot more disposable income to spend too.  No way in hell should they receive the same rebate on paying sales tax only.

Illegals harm government taxation twice because the employer avoids paying their 1/2 of payroll tax then the illegal doesn't report earnings and pays no tax on that $ either.  The rest of us pay somewhere between 25-40% total taxes of earned amounts when you add all the taxes together.  

I'm not refering to taxes, ...I'm talking about spendable cash in hand to pump into the economy purchasing goods & services.

[Soul Crusher]

I'm not refering to taxes, ...I'm talking about spendable cash in hand to pump into the economy purchasing goods & services.

These people cost us more in health care, schools, jails, DWI's, welfare, than any alleged benefit one claims.

[BM OUT]

sorry.  it's about $.  it's that simple. 

Your right,its about dollars.In four years when no one has any but illegals and scum bags,he will be voted out on his ass.He is WAY worse then I thought.I thought he would stand up agains that dim wit Pelosi,but he has proven he is an empty suit with a good speech.She is running things,its a dissaster.