Author Topic: Ancillaries (Read 6411 times)

shmay · « **on:** January 29, 2009, 05:18:12 PM »

Hey Guys,

gearing up for my next cycle (no pun intended), and looking to order some ancillaries. Arimidex, Nolva, Clomid etc. Typically I have ordered from AGG, but its pretty pricey. Anyone have any experience with Chemone or other sites?

Or should I just stick with agg?

Thoughts appreciated.

DIVISION · « **Reply #1 on:** January 29, 2009, 08:35:16 PM »

Quote from: shmay on January 29, 2009, 05:18:12 PM

Hey Guys,

gearing up for my next cycle (no pun intended), and looking to order some ancillaries. Arimidex, Nolva, Clomid etc. Typically I have ordered from AGG, but its pretty pricey. Anyone have any experience with Chemone or other sites?

Or should I just stick with agg?

Thoughts appreciated.

You might as well stock up on them while you can as most of these sites are going to be shut down by the Feds.

I think you should try to get pharmaceutical grade product, not the liquids......

DIV

abc123 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 30, 2009, 02:09:15 AM »

AGG does not even compare to HG pharmaceuticals. It is severly underdosed.

I've commented on this before and don't feel like explaining again how I know.

Get your ancillaries from a pharma site (not a steroid site) overseas. There are a million of them on the web.

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #3 on:** January 30, 2009, 02:10:56 AM »

Quote from: abc123 on January 30, 2009, 02:09:15 AM

AGG does not even compare to HG pharmaceuticals. It is severly underdosed.

I've commented on this before and don't feel like explaining again how I know.

Get your ancillaries from a pharma site (not a steroid site) overseas. There are a million of them on the web.

+1. Liquid pct ancillaries are shit.

gh15 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2009, 03:52:35 AM »

Quote from: DIVISION on January 29, 2009, 08:35:16 PM

You might as well stock up on them while you can as most of these sites are going to be shut down by the Feds.

I think you should try to get pharmaceutical grade product, not the liquids......

DIV

cherish this post,,explanation on the main board

wrong,,
chemone is operating as a research company thus all products are legal for research ,,chemone products are NOT controlled and are perfectly legal buy in usa and outside usa,,

infact! the dea and fda are aware of chemone and few otheer companies but as long as it said on prodiucts for research only and it falls under american congress law ,,both the dea and fda see nothing wrong with it and will not and shall not shut it down ,,

dame as any other supplement company ,,the diff is dupp companies put real steroids in many of the products yet the research company put research poweders so they are even more legal than many supp company ,,

in general ,,,you fellas have nothing to worry about ,,you shoudl worry more about yoru economy that is going to destroy each and every one of you over there not about research products sold legaly

gh15 approved

WillGrant · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2009, 04:23:04 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on January 30, 2009, 03:52:35 AM

cherish this post,,explanation on the main board

wrong,,
chemone is operating as a research company thus all products are legal for research ,,chemone products are NOT controlled and are perfectly legal buy in usa and outside usa,,

infact! the dea and fda are aware of chemone and few otheer companies but as long as it said on prodiucts for research only and it falls under american congress law ,,both the dea and fda see nothing wrong with it and will not and shall not shut it down ,,

dame as any other supplement company ,,the diff is dupp companies put real steroids in many of the products yet the research company put research poweders so they are even more legal than many supp company ,,

in general ,,,you fellas have nothing to worry about ,,you shoudl worry more about yoru economy that is going to destroy each and every one of you over there not about research products sold legaly

gh15 approved

I agree..what you do with the product once in your hands has nothing to do with the seller..it clearly states its for "research only" and not to be consumed..there ass is covered.

BostoN SnaSa · « **Reply #6 on:** January 31, 2009, 09:06:32 AM »

i just read an article in muscular development stating that all websites selling pharmaceuticals without licenses in the usa and that do not require you to have a docs prescription are going to be shut down.. either way, better off getting your pcts from overseas pharm sites

WillGrant · « **Reply #7 on:** January 31, 2009, 04:28:12 PM »

Quote from: BostoN SnaSa on January 31, 2009, 09:06:32 AM

i just read an article in muscular development stating that all websites selling pharmaceuticals without licenses in the usa and that do not require you to have a docs prescription are going to be shut down.. either way, better off getting your pcts from overseas pharm sites

Even research chems? they are not selling it for you to use as a pharm medicine . like take x2 twice daily..it clearly states on there sites not for consumption..does this get them around this? only time will tell I guess.

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2009, 04:47:28 AM »

You cant just put "Research only" on something and think that makes it legal. I'm sure those liquid research sites are under LE's scrutiny.

muscle19 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2009, 03:44:35 PM »

i was thinking the same thing, why not put research only on some test so i can buy it legally

research stuff sucks, i have found one OK site, but just ok lol

DIVISION · « **Reply #10 on:** February 04, 2009, 01:33:25 PM »

Quote from: gh15 on January 30, 2009, 03:52:35 AM

cherish this post,,explanation on the main board

wrong,,
chemone is operating as a research company thus all products are legal for research ,,chemone products are NOT controlled and are perfectly legal buy in usa and outside usa,,

infact! the dea and fda are aware of chemone and few otheer companies but as long as it said on prodiucts for research only and it falls under american congress law ,,both the dea and fda see nothing wrong with it and will not and shall not shut it down ,,

dame as any other supplement company ,,the diff is dupp companies put real steroids in many of the products yet the research company put research poweders so they are even more legal than many supp company ,,

in general ,,,you fellas have nothing to worry about ,,you shoudl worry more about yoru economy that is going to destroy each and every one of you over there not about research products sold legaly

gh15 approved

gh15 is approved for bullshit propoganda and conspiracy theory.

That's about it.

The only thing you will destroy is what little credibility you have remaining with every single stupid post you make.

You hang off my nuts like the pale German girl I'm dating right now.....

You're more high maintainance than she is!

DIV

macro · « **Reply #11 on:** July 24, 2009, 10:27:05 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on January 30, 2009, 02:10:56 AM

+1. Liquid pct ancillaries are shit.

they can be, just like ug tabs can be underdosed or bunk.

have considerable experience with both. Have had both be overdosed, underdosed or worthless (fake or bunk).

anyone that sell liquid cabergoline is suspect, since its not stable in solution.

generally reccomend researchstop for research chems, they adopted all macro's reccomendations and since have seen their material tests (being as that arranged for such testing), do vouch for the quality of materials used.

muscle19 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 25, 2009, 07:05:52 AM »

macro i agree completly!! that place does work and i have been using it now for many many months, no nipple problems from their adex so great stuff and very resonable price

MethodGNA · « **Reply #13 on:** July 25, 2009, 12:58:11 PM »

this is going to be a stupid question...........but i never did the whoel liquid research chem thing, i may in the future.............is that shit really supposed to be dropped orally, or do some IM inject it?

tbombz · « **Reply #14 on:** July 25, 2009, 01:10:40 PM »

Quote from: MethodGNA on July 25, 2009, 12:58:11 PM

this is going to be a stupid question...........but i never did the whoel liquid research chem thing, i may in the future.............is that shit really supposed to be dropped orally, or do some IM inject it?

no its not meant for injection. take it orally... mix it into a protein shake or something.

MethodGNA · « **Reply #15 on:** July 25, 2009, 01:34:41 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 25, 2009, 01:10:40 PM

no its not meant for injection. take it orally... mix it into a protein shake or something.

oh, i didnt know it was ment to be taken orally and deleterious if injected, good info, thank you

tbombz · « **Reply #16 on:** July 25, 2009, 02:58:12 PM »

you could probably get good results injecting with most of the diff drugs available form these site. im not sure they are selling sterile, ready-to-inject liquid products though...

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #17 on:** July 25, 2009, 07:50:34 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 25, 2009, 02:58:12 PM

you could probably get good results injecting with most of the diff drugs available form these site. im not sure they are selling sterile, ready-to-inject liquid products though...

Why would you want to inject them?

tbombz · « **Reply #18 on:** July 26, 2009, 09:14:14 AM »

Quote from: Luv2Hurt on July 25, 2009, 07:50:34 PM

Why would you want to inject them?

i wouldnt, if you look a whom i was replying to and look at his post, then ou see im just conversing on the subject with a fellow poster.

however i could see a potential reason why injectiong may be superior = higher % bioavailable

for example t3 absrbtion orally is unstabel and ranges between 40 and 80% absorbtion, and awhole lot of things can interfere with its absorbtion, like multivitamins. so injecting it would prevent this and make sure you get close to 100% every time.

MethodGNA · « **Reply #19 on:** July 26, 2009, 12:36:11 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 26, 2009, 09:14:14 AM

i wouldnt, if you look a whom i was replying to and look at his post, then ou see im just conversing on the subject with a fellow poster.

however i could see a potential reason why injectiong may be superior = higher % bioavailable

for example t3 absrbtion orally is unstabel and ranges between 40 and 80% absorbtion, and awhole lot of things can interfere with its absorbtion, like multivitamins. so injecting it would prevent this and make sure you get close to 100% every time.

that is exactly why i asked.............i mean, why doesn anyone inject anything..........higher bioavailability......... ...i was wondering how much of those liquid ancelleries are lost in the first pass through the liver

macro · « **Reply #20 on:** July 26, 2009, 06:12:34 PM »

most ancillaries have very high oral bioavailabililty, tadalafil and sildenafil being exceptions. Exemestane has moderate oral bioavailability, a good suspension or solution can increase this as can taking with a high fat meal (studies show a 40% increase in peak plasma when taken with high fat meal (10g-- small meals).

things like pramipexole, anastrozole, letrozole, clomiphene and tamoxifen all have fairly high oral bioavailability.

none of these compounds is worthwhile to inject.

pray4surf · « **Reply #21 on:** July 27, 2009, 03:41:18 AM »

I've tried research chemicals from AGG and CEM and both liquids were shit. Now I'm on tabs of the same stuff and wow, what a difference. No more liquids for me!

macro · « **Reply #22 on:** July 27, 2009, 11:17:07 AM »

Quote from: pray4surf on July 27, 2009, 03:41:18 AM

I've tried research chemicals from AGG and CEM and both liquids were shit. Now I'm on tabs of the same stuff and wow, what a difference. No more liquids for me!

the bold says it all. AGG was a mid quality and way overpriced, now with reccurrent issues they are just ultra overpriced (any price is to much for bunk material). CEM has had similar issues. the biggest issue that these companies have, assuming that they are not doing such purposefully, is that they NEVER test their raw materials and they produce very large batches. RS tests every batch of material, know this because arranged for it.

1-503rd_IN · « **Reply #23 on:** July 31, 2009, 03:08:33 PM »

So if i am using liquid adex from cem I am fucked right now? I used adex pills from eclen and they worked fine last cycle. just thought i would give the research chems a try for their price.

macro · « **Reply #24 on:** November 05, 2009, 10:50:16 PM »

mpot really, just that you may be less covered than you think (or in the more uncommon case not at all)..... though generally not a fan of dex anyways.