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More wars and more spending with Obongo!
« on: January 29, 2009, 10:26:31 PM »
FISCAL REALITIES:
Is It Time to Bail Out of America?
Astonishing Incongruities
by Paul Craig Roberts
Thursday, 29 January 2009
All the Obama regime sees is a “credit problem.” But the United States is busted. Many of the state governments are busted. Homeowners are busted. Consumers are busted. Jobs are busted. Companies are busted. And Obama thinks he has the money to fight wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan.California State Controller John Chiang announced on January 26 that California’s bills exceed its tax revenues and credit line and that the state is going to print its own money known as IOUs. The template is already designed.
Instead of receiving their state tax refunds in dollars, California residents will receive IOUs. Student aid and payments to disabled and needy will also come in the form of  IOUs. California is negotiating with banks to get them to accept the IOUs as deposits.

California is often identified as the world’s eighth largest economy, and it is broke.

A person might think that California’s plight would introduce some realism into Washington, DC, but it has not. President Obama is taking steps to intensify the war in Afghanistan and, perhaps, to expand it to Pakistan.

Obama has retained the Republican warmongers in the Pentagon, and the US continues to illegally bomb Pakistan and to murder its civilians. At the World Economic Forum at Davos this week, Pakistan’s prime minister, Y. R. Gilani, said that the American attacks on Pakistan are counterproductive and done without Pakistan’s permission. In an interview with CNN, Gilani said: “I want to put on record that we do not have any agreement between the government of the United States and the government of Pakistan.”

How long before Washington will be printing money?

On January 28 Obama announced his $825 billion bailout plan. This comes on top of President Bush’s $700 billion bailout of just a few months ago.

Obama says his plan will be more transparent than Bush’s and will do more good for the economy.

As large as the bailouts are--a total of $1.5 trillion in four months--the amount is small in relation to the reported size of troubled assets that are in the tens of trillions of dollars. How do we know that by June there won’t be another bailout, say $950 billion?

Where will the money come from?

Obama’s bailout plan, added to the FY 2009 budget deficit he has inherited from Bush, opens a gaping expenditure hole of about $3 trillion.

Who is going to purchase $3 trillion of US Treasury bonds?

Not the US consumer. The consumer is out of work and out of money. Private sector credit market debt is 174% of GDP. The personal savings rate is 2 percent. Ten percent of households are in foreclosure or arrears. Household debt-service ratio is at an all-time high. Household net worth has declined at a record rate. Housing inventories are at record highs.

Not America’s foreign creditors. At best, the Chinese, Japanese, and Saudis can recycle their trade surpluses with the US into Treasury bonds, but the combined surplus does not approach the size of the US budget deficit.

Perhaps another drop in the stock market will drive Americans’ remaining wealth into “safe” US Treasury bonds.

If not, there’s only the printing press.

The printing press would turn a deflationary depression into an inflationary depression.

Unemployment combined with rising prices would be a killer.

Inflation would kill the dollar as well, leaving the US unable to pay for its imports.

All the Obama regime sees is a “credit problem.”  But the crisis goes far beyond banks’ bad investments. The United States is busted. Many of the state governments are busted. Homeowners are busted. Consumers are busted. Jobs are busted. Companies are busted.

And Obama thinks he has the money to fight wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Except for the superrich and those banksters and CEOs who stole wealth from investors and shareholders, Americans have suffered enormous losses in wealth and income.

The stock market decline has destroyed about 45% of their IRAs, 401Ks, and other equity investments. On top of this comes the decline in home prices, lost jobs and health care, lost customers. The realized gains in mutual funds and investment partnerships, on which Americans paid taxes, have been wiped out.

The government should give those taxes back.

Americans who have seen their retirement savings devastated by complicity of government regulators and lawmakers with financial gangsters should not have to pay any income tax when they draw on their pensions.

The financial damage inflicted on Americans by their own government is as great as would be expected from foreign conquest. While Washington “protected” us from terrorists by fighting pointless wars abroad, the US economy collapsed.

How can President Obama even think about fighting wars half way around the world while California cannot pay its bills, while Americans are being turned out of their homes, while, as Business Week reports, retirees will work throughout their retirement (which assumes that there will be jobs), while careers are being destroyed and stores and factories shuttered.

Americans are facing tremendous unemployment and hardship. Obama doesn’t have another dollar to spend on Bush’s wars.

Taxpayers are busted. They cannot stand another day of being milked by the military-security complex. The US government is paying private mercenaries more by the day than the monthly checks it is providing to Social Security retirees.

This is insanity.

The banksters robbed us twice. First it was our home and stock values. Then the government rewarded the banksters for their misdeeds by bailing out the banksters, not their victims, and putting the cost on the taxpayers’ books.

The government has also robbed the taxpayers of $3 trillion dollars to fight its wars. About $600 billion are out of pocket costs, and the rest is on the taxpayers’ books.

When foreign creditors look at the debt piled on the taxpayers’ books, they don’t see a good credit risk.

Washington is so accustomed to ripping off the taxpayers for the benefit of special interests that the practice is now in the DNA. While bailouts are being piled upon bailouts, wars are being piled upon wars.

Before Obama gets in any deeper, he must ask his economic team where the money is coming from. When he finds out, he needs to tell the rest of us.


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Re: More wars and more spending with Obongo!
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 02:42:22 AM »
Wish we could spend some of the $815 billion to round up and deport all the illegals.

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Re: More wars and more spending with Obongo!
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 04:10:48 AM »
Wish we could spend some of the $815 billion to round up and deport all the illegals.



Sounds like a much better plan than GIVING them checks from my tax dollars!

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/29/america/Stimulus-Illegal-Immigrants.php

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Re: More wars and more spending with Obongo!
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 06:29:26 AM »
Go Kenya!

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Re: More wars and more spending with Obongo!
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 06:34:28 AM »
Its not just Obama or Bush guys, its a broken government system that has too much power over our $.  They cannot help themselves, they will not, apparently, control spending.  Obama and the dems are picking up where Bush left off at the end with the bailouts and going a step further, unfortunately, its in the wrong direction.

That article is certainly a pessimistic view but there are so many truths.  We must change the way government spends, both at the state and federal levels.

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Re: More wars and more spending with Obongo!
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2009, 10:51:43 AM »
Its not just Obama or Bush guys, its a broken government system that has too much power over our $.  They cannot help themselves, they will not, apparently, control spending.  Obama and the dems are picking up where Bush left off at the end with the bailouts and going a step further, unfortunately, its in the wrong direction.

That article is certainly a pessimistic view but there are so many truths.  We must change the way government spends, both at the state and federal levels.

Exactly.  Americans have become so polarized and divided.  That's exactly how they want it.  Divide and conquer.  The bottomline is Bush was a hypergloablist and Obama is the same thing.  They believe in a global economy, eventually a global government etc.  They care fuck all about national sovereignty and fair trade. 

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Re: More wars and more spending with Obongo!
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2009, 10:53:58 AM »
Wish we could spend some of the $815 billion to round up and deport all the illegals.

Damn right!!!!!!!!

Put americans to work building the wall and fence, and put americans to work trasporting these criminals back to mexico and guatamala and ecuador.

Good one !!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2009, 12:12:37 PM »
Wish we could spend some of the $815 billion to round up and deport all the illegals.

YES...lets start by DEPORTING THE MAIN ILLEGAL...WHITES...who are the cause of all of the problems in america.
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Re: More wars and more spending with Obongo!
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2009, 12:16:48 PM »
YES...lets start by DEPORTING THE MAIN ILLEGAL...WHITES...who are the cause of all of the problems in america.

Why make it a racist bullshit argument?

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Re: More wars and more spending with Obongo!
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2009, 12:25:16 PM »


Sounds like a much better plan than GIVING them checks from my tax dollars!

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/29/america/Stimulus-Illegal-Immigrants.php



Amazing how despite the fact that a bunch of jew bastards just RIPPED wall street off MAJORLY for the millionth time that they would be concerned with some supposed illegal aliens stealing a check...TRY BEING CONCERNED WITH JEW BASTARDS LIKE MADOFF WHO WALKED AWAY WITH 100 BILLION DOLLARS. Remember Ken Lay and Enron who walked away with BILLIONS and no one ever FOUND the money...what about TYCO, WORLDCOM, ALCATEL, ARTHUR ANDERSON and the BILLIONS that disappeared a few years ago where are these people and where is the MONEY???? How come no one is speaking about the 600 BILLION Lehman Brothers shuttled over to Bank Leumi in Israel right before claiming BANKRUPTCY in September...something also done by Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, Bear Sterns etc etc ALL OF THESE FINANCIAL ENTITIES SHUTTLED BILLIONS TO ISRAEL RECENTLY BEFORe CLAIMING BANKRUPTCY....

FUCK these distractions of Illegal aliens and nonsense..get off of your racist piss pots and go after the real scum that looks like yourself. Because very soon america will be a symbol of rationing, soup lines, poverty, violence,decadence and complete moral and civil breakdown as food disappears from shelves, jobs completely disappear, homelessness and sickness takes over...
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2009, 12:28:14 PM »
Why make it a racist bullshit argument?



Because it has been made a racist bullshit argument by making claims of ILLEGALS (code word for Mexicans) are somehow getting something for free in america....NOTHING IN AMERICA IS FREE...EVERYONE PAYS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER....
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2009, 12:38:38 PM »
Because it has been made a racist bullshit argument by making claims of ILLEGALS (code word for Mexicans) are somehow getting something for free in america....NOTHING IN AMERICA IS FREE...EVERYONE PAYS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER....

Code word for Mexicans?  Mexicans happen to encompass a large proportion of illegals in the US.  You have no problem with people coming into the US illegally?  What a moron you are!  Illegals are getting a shitload for free. 

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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2009, 01:42:36 PM »
YES...lets start by DEPORTING THE MAIN ILLEGAL...WHITES...who are the cause of all of the problems in america.

HA Ha.  Come bring it. 

Name one non-white/asian country that is in good shape.   

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Re: More wars and more spending with Obongo!
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2009, 01:51:56 PM »
"YES...lets start by DEPORTING THE MAIN ILLEGAL...WHITES...who are the cause of all of the problems in america".

Ok, here's an uncharacteristic comment from me....Samson,

F-ck off you foolish racist prick.

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2009, 03:57:41 PM »
Because it has been made a racist bullshit argument by making claims of ILLEGALS (code word for Mexicans) are somehow getting something for free in america....NOTHING IN AMERICA IS FREE...EVERYONE PAYS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER....

 So you are all for illegal immigration? Or do you claim it just doesnt exist?

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2009, 04:53:26 PM »
most of the illegals have left already so lets just lock the gate and turn to the "Madoff" and these corporate ceos that are screwing us in the ass as the country goes down the toilet.    Id love to see all these guys sucking on the end of a .45 mag as i ask how theyre going to spend theyre money in HELL.........samsons right on this one.

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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2009, 07:49:14 PM »
HA Ha.  Come bring it. 

Name one non-white/asian country that is in good shape.   

That only shows your complete lack of knowledge of the world ;)

The USA is plunging into greater debt every single second, is the largest debtor in the world, you are forced by law to give up part of your income to your government and get no healthcare nor free college in return, jobs are being lost like crazy, foreclosures like mad, and all the "bail outs". Its all opinion of course, but many wouldn't consider that tip top shape.

While there are a couple of dozen nations or territories where the people pay no income/sales tax and get free healthcare and college, and the governments aren't borrowing money hand over fist to make it each day and "bailing out" everything going.

All anyone has to do is read and educate themself and they will the aspects available in other regions. Google away.

Strange thing - look at the racial makeup of those jurisdictions. All the ones I am aware of are black or arab. Not saying they all are, I am only aware of the ones in my region and the emirates etc.

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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2009, 08:19:21 PM »
That only shows your complete lack of knowledge of the world ;)

The USA is plunging into greater debt every single second, is the largest debtor in the world, you are forced by law to give up part of your income to your government and get no healthcare nor free college in return, jobs are being lost like crazy, foreclosures like mad, and all the "bail outs". Its all opinion of course, but many wouldn't consider that tip top shape.

While there are a couple of dozen nations or territories where the people pay no income/sales tax and get free healthcare and college, and the governments aren't borrowing money hand over fist to make it each day and "bailing out" everything going.

All anyone has to do is read and educate themself and they will the aspects available in other regions. Google away.


It's too bad the guy that could have put us on the right track doesnt dress nice enough or isnt charasmatic enough huh?