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Mother of octuplets has six other children
« on: January 30, 2009, 11:10:17 AM »
Sounds pretty irresponsible to me.  Why is a couple with six kids trying to make more, when they're having trouble supporting their existing family? 

Mother of octuplets has six other children

(CNN) -- The mother of a woman who gave birth on Monday to octuplets said her daughter already has six children at home and was undergoing fertility treatment.

Dr. Karen Maples is part of the large team of doctors and nurses that helped deliver the octuplets.

 The Los Angeles Times reported on Thursday that Angela Suleman said her daughter had the embryos implanted last year, resulting in the eight births.

"They all happened to take," Suleman told the Times. "I looked at those babies. They are so tiny and so beautiful."

The woman declined to have the number of embryos reduced when she discovered she was carrying multiples, the Times reported. The six older siblings range from ages 7 to 2, according to the newspaper.

Suleman said she was concerned about her daughter's homecoming because her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq.

In the meantime, the mother, who remains unidentified, appealed for privacy while she recovers from giving birth, medical officials said Thursday.

In her written statement delivered by Dr. Karen Maples of the Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in California, the woman who delivered eight babies in five minutes said she would soon make public the details of her "miraculous experience."

"We understand that you are all curious about the arrival of the octuplets, and we appreciate your respect for our family's privacy," she said.

"The babies continue to grow strong every day and make good progress. My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals."

"Needless to say, the eighth was a surprise to us all, but a blessing as well," she added.

The six boys and two girls -- ranging in weight from 1 pound, 8 ounces to 3 pounds, 4 ounces -- are doing well following their Caesarean-section delivery at the Bellflower hospital, doctors said. They were born nine weeks premature.

Dr. Mandhir Gupta, a neonatalist, said all but one of the octuplets are now breathing on their own. That baby might be taken off breathing equipment Friday.

Caring for eight premature babies is a challenge. Duties are being shared by a large team of hospital nurses and doctors for the time being. Two nurses have been assigned to each child, and all the babies are receiving fluids, proteins and vitamins intravenously, Gupta said.

"We feed them. ... We change diapers. ... When they cry, we console them," Gupta said. "When the mom comes and touches the babies, you can definitely see their expression on their faces and body. They are very happy."

The babies, who are being referred to by letters of the alphabet, will remain in the hospital for at least seven more weeks.

Baby H made headlines for its surprise appearance during the delivery, which took months of preparation by a team of doctors, nurses and respiratory therapists.  Watch a report on babies' progress »

The mother will not be able to hold her babies for another week, Gupta said. They are still fragile, developing intestines, he said.

Doctors initially thought the mother was pregnant with seven fetuses. She was hospitalized seven weeks ago and ordered to bed rest.

During the seven weeks, a team of 46 physicians, nurses and other staff members prepared for the births. When they started the delivery Monday, they were in for a surprise.

"After the seventh baby was born, we were taking a sigh of relief," Maples said.

"It was a surprise of our life when we in fact discovered there was an eighth baby," she said. "We never had an assignment for baby H nurse or baby H doctor. We just had to go on the fly and figure out what to do."

"Baby G nurse stepped up. We handed off the baby to baby G nurse. She then delivered that last baby to the neonatologist of the baby F."

"It was all wonderful because of the teamwork and the training we did before," Maples said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/30/mother.octuplets/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 11:37:00 AM »
Life BB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's all about having babies. Pro life to the core, how dare you question this :D

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Actually, I think its a single mom, the way the articles about it have been reading suggests it to me.

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 11:45:45 AM »
Life BB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's all about having babies. Pro life to the core, how dare you question this :D

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Actually, I think its a single mom, the way the articles about it have been reading suggests it to me.


lol.  I'm questioning her judgment.  Sounds like she is married?  "her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq."  Not sure if that was talking about her or her mother.

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 11:51:28 AM »
lol.  I'm questioning her judgment.  Sounds like she is married?  "her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq."  Not sure if that was talking about her or her mother.


Ah, ok, got that. Strange, I was reading about it on some other articles and the hubby was never mentioned. Does seem she is married.

She will actually end up financially okay I think. Octuplets are very marketable, not to be crass. She'll end up on some paid reality show on TLC or something.

Better her then me though, not to be rude. 14 kids is was too much for me.

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 11:53:31 AM »
Ah, ok, got that. Strange, I was reading about it on some other articles and the hubby was never mentioned. Does seem she is married.

She will actually end up financially okay I think. Octuplets are very marketable, not to be crass. She'll end up on some paid reality show on TLC or something.

Better her then me though, not to be rude. 14 kids is was too much for me.


Too much for me too.  I love kids, but 14 is insane. 

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 12:01:13 PM »
Too much for me too.  I love kids, but 14 is insane. 

Yeah, I also think it's a little unfair on them all.

As being real, they all can only get minimal time, very little individual time from the parents. I know you have your siblings so maybe that makes up?

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 12:03:53 PM »
Yeah, I also think it's a little unfair on them all.

As being real, they all can only get minimal time, very little individual time from the parents. I know you have your siblings so maybe that makes up?

I agree.  The kids do entertain themselves, but there is no way a parent can give all of those kids quality time. 

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2009, 02:19:43 PM »
I agree.  The kids do entertain themselves, but there is no way a parent can give all of those kids quality time. 

No, it's worse then we thought - she is single, the man going back to Iraq is her dad, the babies granddad, I thought I read it on other news stories about it, and that is what they all say.

Worse still - other news reports say the family declared bankrupty last year :-\

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2009, 02:25:08 PM »


Worse still - other news reports say the family declared bankrupty last year :-\
I thought fertility treatments cost thousands of dollars?
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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2009, 02:39:22 PM »
I thought fertility treatments cost thousands of dollars?

They do. Friend of mine paid $10,000 a time and that was a few years ago. Cost them like $50k to get pregnant [literally]

And also, why when you are single, just declared bankruptcy, live in a 3 bedroom with your parents, have six kids already would the doctors allow you to get that treatment?

And, CBS news says it was from a sperm donor.

I think she did it for cash. Apparently those John and Kate people on TLC with the 2 sets of triplets get half a million a year plus a house and all.

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2009, 02:48:42 PM »
No, it's worse then we thought - she is single, the man going back to Iraq is her dad, the babies granddad, I thought I read it on other news stories about it, and that is what they all say.

Worse still - other news reports say the family declared bankrupty last year :-\

Whoa.  Those poor kids.   :-\

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2009, 04:57:33 PM »
I live in SoCal and this is all over talk radio.  This stupid fucking lady went to Mexico the first time to have in vitro and had six kids.  She is not married and is on medical.  She lives with her mother and father who is the one that works as a contractor in Iraq.  She went to Mexico this second time to get in vitro as well.  She is also a full time student.  It's fucking disgusting.  Her 6 fucking kids go to private schools as well. 

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2009, 05:00:42 PM »
I read it wrong and thought it said "Mother of Octopus"!  ;D
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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2009, 06:30:39 PM »
Definitely have to question the ethics of the doctor/medical facility that did this. 

Octuplets: Eight times the ethical questions
 
By Elizabeth Landau
(CNN) -- As more details of the mother who gave birth to octuplets come to light, ethicists are debating the moral quandaries involved.

The octuplets' family's home in Whittier, California, near Los Angeles.

The woman had six other children before the set of eight, which were only the second set of octuplets recorded in the U.S. The babies' grandfather said Friday that his daughter wanted one more child and didn't expect this to happen.

Kaiser Permanente's Bellflower Medical Center reports that all is well with the mother and children. Seven babies are breathing unassisted, and one is receiving assisted oxygen through a tube in the nose. Seven are being tube-fed donated breast milk.

It is unclear how this woman ended up with eight embryos in the first place.

Her mother told the Los Angeles Times on Thursday that the woman had received fertility treatment and that she had embryos implanted last year.  Watch for more on the octuplets »

"If she went to a fertility clinic, there's wide consensus from every single ethicist and fertility specialist that this was irresponsible and unethical to implant that many embryos," said M. Sara Rosenthal, bioethicist at the University of Kentucky's College of Medicine. "This is an outrageous situation that should not happen."

Doctors say that giving birth to extreme multiples comes with tremendous risks for both the mother and the babies. Risks for the children include bleeding in the brain, intestinal problems, developmental delays and lifelong learning disabilities.

In certain European countries, particularly Italy and Germany, the limit on the number of embryos allowed to be implanted at once is three, said Robert George, professor at Princeton University and member of the U.S. President's Council on Bioethics. George advocated following those countries' examples so that similar situations don't arise and put the lives of mother and fetuses at risk.

"What you need are professional norms and legal regulations that restrict practices that are inherently very dangerous," he said.

The woman's mother told the Los Angeles Times that doctors gave the woman the option of selectively reducing the number of embryos, and she refused.

As to a "correct" decision at this stage, experts are split.

George said that, based on the information available, his personal ethical decision would probably support the woman's choice to carry all the babies to term. But he said that selective reduction is not the same as traditional abortion because the goal is the healthiest possible birth rather than the termination of a pregnancy.

"The babies didn't put themselves there; it's not their fault," George said. "There does seem to be a serious ethical question about killing one or more of them, even for the sake of maternal health."

Rosenthal, on the other hand, questions the woman's capacity to make a good decision under the circumstances. Some neonatologists believe that when pregnant women are told about dangers of prematurity or have great expectations about giving birth, their judgment can be impaired, she said.

The situation raises the issue of whether a doctor ought to override a patient's wishes for the sake of saving lives, she said. Although the health care system in America gives patients autonomy in making decisions about their own bodies, when emotionally distraught, some people decide poorly, she said.

A doctor counseling a woman with octuplets may strongly recommend partial or full termination because of the risks to the mother and children. Even with triplets, a doctor would be "remiss if [he] didn't tell a woman with triplets about selective fetal reduction," said Dr. Scott Slayden of Reproductive Biology Associates in Atlanta, Georgia.

Dr. R. Dale McClure, president of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, said in a statement Friday that the organization has been working to reduce the number of high-order multiple births resulting from in vitro fertilization treatments.

"If this resulted from an IVF treatment, we can say that transferring eight embryos in an IVF cycle is well beyond our guidelines," he said.

The guidelines state that patients under the age of 35 would not have more than two embryos implanted "in the absence of extraordinary circumstances." In fact, a woman in this age group with a favorable prognosis should have only one embryo transferred, the guidelines say.

The mother of the octuplets is believed to be 33 years old, according to the Los Angeles Times.

"It would be extremely unusual, very strange and hard to believe that somebody who is a professional would put that many embryos into a woman who is 33 years old who has children," Slayden said.

That she carried eight fetuses does not necessarily mean eight embryos were implanted, Slayden said. Four to 5 percent of the time, an embryo will split. As few as five embryos could have given rise to the eight children, he said.

Although it is "amazing" that the mother and eight children appear to be healthy, the story is somewhat dangerous for would-be mothers seeking fertility treatment, he said. They may see this example as a reason to take chances in attempting to birth extreme multiples, despite the large risks involved in such pregnancies and the rarity of their success.

The nanny who works with the octuplets' siblings said Friday that the woman "adores her babies" and is "a perfect mom."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/30/embryos.ethics/index.html

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2009, 08:01:51 PM »
I read it wrong and thought it said "Mother of Octopus"!  ;D

 ;D

On an off topic note, I was once attacked by an octopus.

Well, to not exagerrate what occurred was a baby octupus decided to latch on to me one day, it was quite gross although a harmless thing, I was all screaming and crying with myself ;D

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2009, 09:33:24 PM »
I live about 15 miles from where this took place, and people are PISSED. When I first heard about this the first thing that came to mind was welfare.

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2009, 09:58:53 PM »
I live about 15 miles from where this took place, and people are PISSED. When I first heard about this the first thing that came to mind was welfare.

Coach do you listen to John and Ken show on 640 AM?  I love those guys!  Not only are people pissed about this they are also pissed that Republicans sold us out and will likely raise our taxes. 

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2009, 09:59:10 PM »
Yep.  Taxpayers will be raising those kids.  

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2009, 10:58:57 PM »
;D

On an off topic note, I was once attacked by an octopus.

Well, to not exagerrate what occurred was a baby octupus decided to latch on to me one day, it was quite gross although a harmless thing, I was all screaming and crying with myself ;D

OMG HAHA

That little beak/claw thing they have is really scary.
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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2009, 05:06:19 AM »
Coach do you listen to John and Ken show on 640 AM?  I love those guys!  Not only are people pissed about this they are also pissed that Republicans sold us out and will likely raise our taxes. 

Both parties are horrendous.  its just that the dejmocrats are far worse.

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2009, 07:04:44 AM »
This is a very alarming story on so many fronts.  The clinic that implanted the embryos needs to be under immediate investigation.
Also, this single mother, with 6 previous children is not right.  How the hell did she get through the screening process?

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2009, 07:24:43 AM »
This is a very alarming story on so many fronts.  The clinic that implanted the embryos needs to be under immediate investigation.
Also, this single mother, with 6 previous children is not right.  How the hell did she get through the screening process?

Ummmmm she went to Mexico to have the in vitro.  This was posted in my reply. 

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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2009, 08:05:24 AM »
Coach do you listen to John and Ken show on 640 AM?  I love those guys!  Not only are people pissed about this they are also pissed that Republicans sold us out and will likely raise our taxes. 

I haven't listened to them in a long time. I usually listen to The Loose Cannons and Petros and Money.

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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2009, 08:15:37 AM »
;D

On an off topic note, I was once attacked by an octopus.

Well, to not exagerrate what occurred was a baby octupus decided to latch on to me one day, it was quite gross although a harmless thing, I was all screaming and crying with myself ;D
hahahaha ;D
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Re: Mother of octuplets has six other children
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2009, 08:19:15 AM »
;D

On an off topic note, I was once attacked by an octopus.

Well, to not exagerrate what occurred was a baby octupus decided to latch on to me one day, it was quite gross although a harmless thing, I was all screaming and crying with myself ;D

I hate feeling of seaweed wrapping around my leg.