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GLOBAL RIOTS what you wont see on American News
« on: February 01, 2009, 12:13:54 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2009, 12:21:37 PM »

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Re: GLOBAL RIOTS what you wont see on American News
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2009, 12:23:01 PM »
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck! :-\

Nothing to see here folks. Banks are stabilized. Credit markets are unfreezing. Unemployment is only 7%. BULLSHIT. WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!

People in Russia and China are risking their lives in protest while the WEST IS TOO BUSY SLEEPING OR SUCKING OBAMAS COCK!

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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2009, 12:27:40 PM »
  All these countries who threw away their socialistic/communistic ideology only to embrace what they thought was "capitalism" are getting fucked.  The US is really making friends in the world.  LMAO!  The world should be pissed at America.  We sold pseudocapitalism (state corporatism) to the world like we sold our shitty investments. 

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2009, 12:32:32 PM »
  All these countries who threw away their socialistic/communistic ideology only to embrace what they thought was "capitalism" are getting fucked.  The US is really making friends in the world.  LMAO!  The world should be pissed at America.  We sold pseudocapitalism (state corporatism) to the world like we sold our shitty investments. 

It's just too bad that they are asking the same people who fucked them, to help them.

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2009, 12:35:33 PM »
It's just too bad that they are asking the same people who fucked them, to help them.

Well what else should they do? 

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2009, 12:40:05 PM »
Well what else should they do? 

Move to Hawaii, according to BeachBum everything is just super over there.  :)

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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2009, 12:43:07 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2009, 01:17:41 PM »
  All these countries who threw away their socialistic/communistic ideology only to embrace what they thought was "capitalism" are getting fucked.  The US is really making friends in the world.  LMAO!  The world should be pissed at America.  We sold pseudocapitalism (state corporatism) to the world like we sold our shitty investments. 

There any socialist countries doing well? Venezuela seems to be doing great. Murder capital of the world (520 killed in Caracas in December alone), highest inflation in South America (over 32% in 2008), unemployment above ours. Consistent riots by students and people over the oppression of their basic rights. Arrests and murders of opposition party members. A leader trying to get himself elected for life. Yes, socialism works terrifically!  ::)

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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2009, 01:35:03 PM »
There any socialist countries doing well? Venezuela seems to be doing great. Murder capital of the world (520 killed in Caracas in December alone), highest inflation in South America (over 32% in 2008), unemployment above ours. Consistent riots by students and people over the oppression of their basic rights. Arrests and murders of opposition party members. A leader trying to get himself elected for life. Yes, socialism works terrifically!  ::)

Unemployment in Venezuela in 2008 was about 7.1% (source: Instituto Nacional de Estadística).
Unemployment in the USA in 2008 was about 7.2% (source: Bureau of Labor Statistics).

You sure check your own facts!!!

 ;) ;) ;)

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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2009, 01:37:01 PM »
Unemployment in Venezuela in 2008 was about 7.1% (source: Instituto Nacional de Estadística).
Unemployment in the USA in 2008 was about 7.2% (source: Bureau of Labor Statistics).

You sure check your own facts!!!

 ;) ;) ;)

Their unemployment was above 7.2% well into the last half of the year. It only came down towards the end of 08. Maybe you want to check your own facts. My apologies for pulling numbers off the top of my head. Silly me for not knowing that their unemployment rated dropped 0.1% in four months. BerzerkOWNED. ;)

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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2009, 01:42:53 PM »
There any socialist countries doing well? Venezuela seems to be doing great. Murder capital of the world (520 killed in Caracas in December alone), highest inflation in South America (over 32% in 2008), unemployment above ours. Consistent riots by students and people over the oppression of their basic rights. Arrests and murders of opposition party members. A leader trying to get himself elected for life. Yes, socialism works terrifically::)

That wasn't my point genius.  No one is "doing well" in these times no.  And my point was we i.e. America supposedly the last bastion of free market capitalism pushed it on other countries and it totally backfired.  Because we are no longer nor have been in a while a free market economy.  Like always we sold the world a line of bullshit.  Don't do what we do, do what we say.  Now we fucked ourselves even more because we have the rest of the world thinking capitalism will lead to economic chaos when it wasn't even fucking capitalism in the first place.  Again thanks to the incompetent U.S. Government and our corrupt foreign policy.

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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2009, 01:45:36 PM »
That wasn't my point genius.  No one is "doing well" in these times no.  And my point was we i.e. America supposedly the last bastion of free market capitalism pushed it on other countries and it totally backfired.  Because we are no longer nor have been in a while a free market economy.  Like always we sold the world a line of bullshit.  Don't do what we do, do what we say.  Now we fucked ourselves even more because we have the rest of the world thinking capitalism will lead to economic chaos when it wasn't even fucking capitalism in the first place.  Again thanks to the incompetent U.S. Government and our corrupt foreign policy.

Interesting. Once China started loosening up their economy, introducing more capitalist elements and shying away from Communism, it took off. But you keep going on about how socialism/communism is better. Let's move to Caracas, nothing beats 30%+ inflation and the very likely chance that you'll get murdered!

There has never been a true "free market economy".

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2009, 01:53:09 PM »
Interesting. Once China started loosening up their economy, introducing more capitalist elements and shying away from Communism, it took off. But you keep going on about how socialism/communism is better. Let's move to Caracas, nothing beats 30%+ inflation and the very likely chance that you'll get murdered!

There has never been a true "free market economy".

haha you're a fucking idiot.  China has a capitalistic economy but a very communistic government.  Their banking is populist in nature.  Their money is government issued and their national banks are owned by the government.  In 1995 the Central Bank Law was passed in China granting central bank status to the PBoC.  The Chinese government prints up renminbis and exchanges them with Chinese companies for US dollars.  Dont' talk about shit you have no clue about. 

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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2009, 01:55:37 PM »
haha you're a fucking idiot.  China has a capitalistic economy but a very communistic government.  Their banking is populist in nature.  Their money is government issued and their national banks are owned by the government.  In 1995 the Central Bank Law was passed in China granting central bank status to the PBoC.  The Chinese government prints up renminbis and exchanges them with Chinese companies for US dollars.  Dont' talk about shit you have no clue about. 

You just owned yourself with that. China has a capitalist economy, their economy has been booming, yet here you are ranting about how bad capitalism is and how great socialism/communism is. Communism is so great that China went the capitalist route with their economy! Your Harvard PhD in economics really works wonders!

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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2009, 01:55:48 PM »
Interesting. Once China started loosening up their economy, introducing more capitalist elements and shying away from Communism, it took off. But you keep going on about how socialism/communism is better. Let's move to Caracas, nothing beats 30%+ inflation and the very likely chance that you'll get murdered!

There has never been a true "free market economy".

  Where the fuck did I ever say communism/socialism is better.  That's your own interpretation.  Try arguing with the posts I actually make instead of what you want me to say.  

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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2009, 01:56:55 PM »
 Where the fuck did I ever say communism/socialism is better.  That's your own interpretation.  Try arguing with the posts I actually make instead of what you want me to say.  

  All these countries who threw away their socialistic/communistic ideology only to embrace what they thought was "capitalism" are getting fucked. 

Try to keep up, junior. You're implying that they ruined themselves by throwing away a better system to embrace a shittier one. Or maybe you were trying to convey some mystical point?

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2009, 01:59:04 PM »
You just owned yourself with that. China has a capitalist economy, their economy has been booming, yet here you are ranting about how bad capitalism is and how great socialism/communism is. Communism is so great that China went the capitalist route with their economy! Your Harvard PhD in economics really works wonders!



HAHA My god you fucking MORON!  Their economy is booming because of their banking structure not soley because of their capitalistic economy.  Are you fucking dense?  The combination of their strong central banking government issued currency i..e why they peg their currency to their dollar and their capitalistic economy is why they are booming.  The government controls the issuance of money and loans.  Whether you agree with that principle or not any expert on China will agree this is a big reason for why they are booming.  Why do you think people complain about China keepin their currency pegged to the dollar.  I'm done with this thread.  YOu haven o basic understanding of economics and the issue of money.  

China gives HUGE LOANS TO CHINESE BUSINESSES INTEREST FREE! 

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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2009, 02:00:30 PM »

HAHA My god you fucking MORON!  Their economy is booming because of their banking structure not soley because of their capitalistic economy.  Are you fucking dense?  The combination of their strong central banking government issued currency i..e why they peg their currency to their dollar and their capitalistic economy is why they are booming.  The government controls the issuance of money and loans.  Whether you agree with that principle or not any expert on China will agree this is a big reason for why they are booming.  Why do you think people complain about China keepin their currency pegged to the dollar.  I'm done with this thread.  YOu haven o basic understanding of economics and the issue of money.  

The fact that their economy has ANY capitalist elements proves your point wrong. You were trying to convey the point that socialism/communism are better than capitalism. China proved that wrong by introducing capitalist policies into their economy. You were owned by the Chinese. If communism is so great, as you seem to think, why would the Chinese keep shying away from it as time goes on? Go take it up with them, Keynes.


You still haven't named one successful communist/socialist country. Cuba? Venezuela? Russia? Come on, Keynes!

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2009, 02:01:55 PM »
There any socialist countries doing well? Venezuela seems to be doing great. Murder capital of the world (520 killed in Caracas in December alone), highest inflation in South America (over 32% in 2008), unemployment above ours. Consistent riots by students and people over the oppression of their basic rights. Arrests and murders of opposition party members. A leader trying to get himself elected for life. Yes, socialism works terrifically!  ::)

And yet, ever since he got to power people's support for government policies has gradually increased.

Chavez is taking control of the country's resources, and the big oil oligarchs (aka opposition) do not like that. Chavez's government could very well be described as "authoritarian", but that has more to do with Venezuela's political opposition just refusing in taking part (time and time again) in any part of the democratic life of the country. Instead they've decided to take to the streets and create class tension. The problem is that opposition support in Venezuela in concentrated to TV stations and newspapers, not popular support, so even when they take to the streets the most they could do is get lots of TV coverage but that's it.

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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2009, 02:03:06 PM »
And yet, ever since he got to power people's support for government policies has gradually increased.

Chavez is taking control of the country's resources, and the big oil oligarchs (aka opposition) do not like that. Chavez's government could very well be described as "authoritarian", but that has more to do with Venezuela's political opposition just refusing in taking part (time and time again) in any part of the democratic life of the country. Instead they've decided to take to the streets and create class tension. The problem is that opposition support in Venezuela in concentrated to TV stations and newspapers, not popular support, so even when they take to the streets the most they could do is get lots of TV coverage but that's it.

Interesting. Chavez is incredibly democratic. I mean, every democratic country passes legislation allowing for their leader to be elected to a life term. Oh wait, it failed in Venezuela because the people don't want to annoint a dictator. The problem is that despite all the media manipulation and theatrics by Chavez, their country is still suffering from massive problems. Here's to hoping he continues to kill and imprison the opposition, as it's the only way he'll likely stay in power.

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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2009, 02:09:24 PM »
The fact that their economy has ANY capitalist elements proves your point wrong. You were trying to convey the point that socialism/communism are better than capitalism. China proved that wrong by introducing capitalist policies into their economy. You were owned by the Chinese. If communism is so great, as you seem to think, why would the Chinese keep shying away from it as time goes on? Go take it up with them, Keynes.


You still haven't named one successful communist/socialist country. Cuba? Venezuela? Russia? Come on, Keynes!

Keynes?  Hahah now I'm a Kenyesian?   haha here you go with your stupid economic mantra.  What a dipshit you are, using big words for which you really have no understanding.  Do you realize how money is created?  Where it comes from?  And how that affects a country's economy?  America and China both have capitalistic economies.  So why has fucking China outpaced America in terms of GDP and why do they continue to do so?  Is there economy any more free than ours?  No.  It has to do with how their money is created.  Our money is created by the private federal reserve at interest.  China's currency is created by the government INTEREST FUCKING FREE!!!!!!!!!!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS and the ramifications that can have on a country ON TOP of keeping their currency pegged to the dollar?  It has very little to do with their capitalistic tendencies and everything to do with their creation of money.  Many of the other countries you've fucking given examples of have failed miserably because they are at the mercy of the IMF for their banking and loans and currency valuation.  China does whatever the hell it wants and thumbs its nose at the world i.e. creating and printing their own currency intrest free and keeping their currency pegged to the dollar.  Do you even understand what that means?  I'm not saying it's right but it's the way it is.  If you are going to throw around terms like Keynesian atleast learn a little fucking more about Austrian economics and how money is created. 

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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2009, 02:14:18 PM »
Holy shit, the Keynes comment was just a reference to your superior knowledge of everything economics. Way to go off the deep end.

You were implying that socialism/communism is better than capitalism. Now you're trying to say you weren't.

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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2009, 02:19:03 PM »
Their unemployment was above 7.2% well into the last half of the year. It only came down towards the end of 08. Maybe you want to check your own facts. My apologies for pulling numbers off the top of my head. Silly me for not knowing that their unemployment rated dropped 0.1% in four months. BerzerkOWNED. ;)

I apologize for pointing out another of your lies once again... but I have to say something dude.

Actually, the latest figures for Venezuela for 2008 were 6.1% unemployment rate (source: Instituto Nacional de Estadística).

We all know what happened to the US'.

Fact, not opinion.

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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2009, 02:21:47 PM »
The US and other Western countries imposed an embargo against China in the 1950s, blocking trade between it and most of the rest of the world except the Soviet Bloc.  China then adopted a Soviet Style centrally planned economy, but after 1978, it pursued an open door policy and was transformed from a centrally planned economy back into a market economy.  Private Industry is now flourishing in China and privatiziation has been creeping into its banking system as well, but it still has government owned banks that can issue national credit for domestic development.  By 2004, China was leading the world in economic productivity, growing at 9% annually.  In the first quarter fo 2007, its economic growth was up to a remarkable 11.1%.  With retail sales climbing 15.3%.  The commonly held explanation for this impressive growth is that Chinese are willing to work for what amounts to slave wages, but the starving poor of Africa, Indonesia, and Latin America are equally willing, yet their economies are languishing.  Something else distuingishes China, and one key difference is its banking system.  China has a government issued currency and a system of national banks that are actually owned by the nation.
Web of Debt by Ellen Brown

Read that last sentence.  It's very important.  China has a completely different banking system than the US.  They are the only economy in the world that does what they do.  Hence why they are so successful right now.  National banking i.e. government issuing currency interest free to businesses and keeping their currency pegged to the dollar all the while freeing up their economy.  It's actually not only cunning but pure genius.  Meanwhile the US is at the behest of a bunch of fucking private banks that charge the American people a shit ton of interest when they "create money out of thin air".