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« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2016, 05:40:15 PM »

The parents obviously said it was an accident.  A family friend said it was not.

Yes, family friend Judith Phillips (who was not present) associates it with a "bad temper" on Burke's part.
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« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2016, 05:41:35 PM »

I'll look further into it as time goes on, but I seem to recall reading that the family had many books on the subject of abnormal behavior in children.
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« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2016, 05:44:32 PM »

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Looks as though the woman also goes by Judith Miller.
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« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2016, 05:56:28 PM »

Info on the thing as a whole, published some months back.

(HLN) — It’s easy to feel a little sad for Mark Beckner, the former Boulder, Colorado, police chief and Reddit newbie who did an Ask Me Anything segment this weekend, unaware that his answers were accessible to the entire world.

Beckner was the police chief during the JonBenet Ramsey case. Six-year-old beauty queen JonBenet was found murdered in the basement of her home in 1996. The case, full of lurid twists and turns, gripped the nation and made her parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, into celebrities as well as persons of interest in the case.

Despite suspicions, the Ramseys were exonerated in 2008 after DNA evidence pointed to an unknown male unrelated to the Ramsey family. Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacy even wrote a letter to the family apologizing for any pain caused by a suggestion of involvement in the crime.

To this day it is still unclear who killed the little girl.

On Reddit, Beckner’s responses shed a lot of light on some of the more complex and questionable parts of the case. However, he later told the Boulder-based Daily Camera newspaper that he had misgivings about the online chat, calling it a “misunderstanding and naivete on my part.”

Since Beckner’s comments have been deleted, it’s impossible to link to individual responses, but all of his answers can be found in a cached version of the thread at http://extras.denverpost.com/jonbenetAMA.html.

Though Beckner may regret the AMA, Reddit users were impressed with his candor, and we still learned some really interesting things from his answers:

1. What happened physically to JonBenet

Beckner: “We know from the evidence she was hit in the head very hard with an unknown object, possibly a flashlight or similar type item. The blow knocked her into unconsciousness, which could have led someone to believe she was dead. The strangulation came 45 minutes to two hours after the head strike, based on the swelling on the brain. While the head wound would have eventually killed her, the strangulation actually did kill her. The rest of the scene we believe was staged, including the vaginal trauma, to make it look like a kidnapping/assault gone bad.”

2. His personal theories on who did it

Beckner: “I have avoided saying who I believe is responsible and let the facts speak for themselves. There are several viable theories.”

3. Patsy Ramsey’s infamous handwriting test

Context: The day JonBenet was found dead, her mother Patsy claimed she found a 2.5-page handwritten ransom note in their home, demanding $118,000 for JonBenet’s return. The police later determined the note was written on paper from a notebook in the Ramseys’ house. The Ramseys underwent handwriting analysis to determine whether they could have written the note. John Ramsey’s sample seemed to show he didn’t write it, but Patsy Ramsey’s sample was labeled “inconclusive” and police at the time said they would pursue “unrehearsed” samples to examine. However, in the letter to John Ramsey, District Attorney Mary Lacy mentioned that she did not consider anyone in Ramsey’s immediate family to be under any suspicion in the commission of the crime.

Q: “When Patsy wrote out the sample ransom note for handwriting comparison, it is interesting that she wrote “$118,000″ out fully in words (as if trying to be different from the note). Who writes out long numbers in words? Does this seem contrived to you?”

Beckner: “The handwriting experts noted several strange observations.”

4. The uniqueness of the 2.5-page ransom note

Beckner: “The FBI told us they’d never seen a 2.5 page ransom note.”

“No note has ever been written at the scene, and then left at the scene with the dead victim at the scene, other than this case.”

5. Whether the crime scene was mishandled

Context: The investigation was plagued with claims the crime scene at the Ramseys’ house was not preserved properly, and that unauthorized individuals were allowed to move about the crime scene while the investigation was in progress.

Beckner: “Yes, the crime scene was not handled properly and this later affected the investigation. [The Ramseys’] position in the community may have had something to do with decisions made that day, but I think the primary reason was a perfect storm-type scenario. It was the Christmas holiday and we were short staffed, we faced a situation as I said earlier that no one in the country had ever seen before or since, and there was confusion at the scene… As a result, some evidence was compromised.”

“Yes, after that initial day, we felt pressure from the DA’s office not to push too hard on the Ramseys. This was a constant source of frustration and much could be written about this and the reasons for it.”

6. Whether the motive for the killing/assault was purely sexual

Context: A 1999 grand jury report indicated there was reason to believe JonBenet was “sexually assaulted.” Details from an autopsy and comments from some experts, including one cited in a 1997 Vanity Fair article indicated the girl had abnormal genital injuries or conditions that could suggest sexual contact of some sort prior to the day of her death.

Beckner: “It just didn’t seem to fit the totality of the circumstances. Remember, she was hit on the head first, hard enough to render her unconscious. Then there was the staging of a kidnapping. Why do that if the motive is purely sexual?”

7. What he thought about the John Mark Karr confession

Context: John Mark Karr was a father and teacher residing in Thailand who, in 2006, claimed he was sexually involved with JonBenet at the time of her death and that her killing was accidental. However, DNA tests confirmed he was not a match to DNA found in the girl’s underwear, and there was no reason to believe he was anywhere near the scene.

Beckner: “My gut reaction was that [District Attorney] Mary Lacy did not know the facts of the case and was making a big mistake. His confession, once they shared it with us, did not match the evidence at the scene. After she asked for our help in proving he did it, we knew in about 18 hours he was not the guy. We were able to confirm he was not even in Colorado at the time by just doing some routine checking and then obtained photos of him in Georgia at the time. The DNA test, which she thought would prove he did it, proved her wrong.”

8. How the case affected his career

Beckner: “For me, it actually helped propel me to the chief’s position once Tom Koby left. It also gave me some credibility in the community based on a different approach I took with the media. I was more open and forthcoming with the media and I think that helped.”

9. Why people are so fascinated with this case

Beckner: “The media attention and the intrigue of a good murder mystery attracts lots of people. Add a small beauty queen and it only intensifies the interest. If only 1% of the population is crazy, in our country alone that would mean there are about 3,600,000 crazy people out there wanting to give us their wacky ideas.”
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« Reply #54 on: September 22, 2016, 03:21:57 PM »

JonBenet Ramsey Family Lawyer: Why Burke Ramsey is Suing CBS Over New Murder Claims

On Sunday and Monday, CBS aired a two-part documentary, The Case Of: JonBenet Ramsey, re-investigating the unsolved 1996 murder of the child beauty queen. In the program, a team of investigators posited that Ramsey was killed by her brother, Burke, then aged nine. In the wake of this dramatic conclusion, Ramsey family lawyer L. Lin Wood said he is suing CBS on Burke's behalf, arguing that the claims made against Burke are false and defamatory. In an opinion piece submitted to Newsweek, Wood explains why he and Burke are filing a lawsuit and why he feels the documentary was deceptive. CBS's response follows below.

By L. Lin Wood on 9/22/2016

Walter Cronkite and Mike Wallace spent their lives pursuing truth. They must be rolling over in their graves today.

This week their former employer, media giant CBS, under the guise of investigative docuseries The Case of: JonBenet Ramsey, perpetrated a fraud on the viewing public for ratings and profit by falsely accusing Burke Ramsey of killing his sister, JonBenet. Burke was nine years old when his sister—his life’s best friend—was brutally tortured and murdered.

CBS represented the docuseries to be a “new” investigation of the death of JonBenet by a “panel of experts.” There was no new investigation. There was no panel of legitimate experts. The so-called “experts” are television personalities who used embellished credentials to essentially serve as actors in a script written years ago by panelist James Kolar in his self-published book. Kolar’s book relied on lies, misrepresentations, distortions, disproven rumors and innuendo, many of which have been in the public domain for years.

As just one example of the fraud by CBS, its panel claimed to have conducted an analysis of the 911 call made by Patsy Ramsey on December 26, 1996, publicizing that it had used “today’s technology” to reveal “a never before heard” conversation. Totally false. The purported analysis of the 911 call was previously described verbatim in Kolar’s 2012 book, in a book published in 2000 by former Boulder police detective Steve Thomas and in a 1997 article published in the Boulder Daily Camera. The product of a new investigation? No. A fraudulent misrepresentation to attract viewers? Absolutely.

The docuseries also claims to have conducted an analysis of 1997 and 1998 video interviews of Burke Ramsey. The portions of Burke’s interview that were highlighted and discussed by the CBS experts were mere repetitions of the uninformed, speculative analysis of the interviews in Kolar’s book.

In rehashing Kolar’s book under the guise of a new investigation to accuse this young man, CBS intentionally ignored the truth and the actual evidence. In May 1999, the Boulder District Attorney’s Office and the Boulder Police Department issued public statements confirming that Burke was not a suspect or even a possible suspect in connection with the investigation of the murder of his sister. This official clearance of Burke was issued because these law enforcement agencies were outraged by sensational headlines published by the tabloid Star Magazine and republished by the New York Post accusing Burke of his sister’s murder. Subsequently, Burke successfully sued both of these media entities for defamation. Truth prevailed.

And for the next 16 years, no member of the mainstream media or even the tabloid media ever again made this outrageous and untrue accusation against this young man—until CBS did so in its fraudulent broadcast this week. Reckless? Yes. Morally reprehensible? Absolutely.

In truth, CBS did not put together this docuseries to commemorate the 20th anniversary of JonBenet’s murder. In fact, CBS put together this show in hopes of emulating the recent successes of competing networks’ “true crime” docuseries. And CBS broadcast the shows during September Sweeps, not in the anniversary month of December. Did the hype of a “new” investigation by a panel of experts who would solve the case work? Yes. CBS far surpassed the ratings for the competing Emmys with a reported audience of 10 million viewers.

Burke Ramsey was not one of the 10 million viewers, but CBS’s false accusation against him will change his life forever. After living the past 20 years under the shadow of his sister’s murder and false accusations against his parents in periodic media frenzies, Burke will now live the remainder of his life with Google searches proclaiming, “CBS Proves Burke Ramsey Killed His Sister JonBenet.” Every professional and personal interaction and relationship Burke has from now until his death will be tainted by this false accusation. A lie for profits. A fraud on the public.

Will Burke Ramsey sue CBS for its false accusations and fraudulent show? Absolutely. His lawsuit will expose the many lies conveyed to the public by CBS. His lawsuit will establish the truth.

Too bad Walter Cronkite and Mike Wallace are not alive to serve on the jury in his case.

In response to Wood, CBS issued this statement to Newsweek:

The Case of: JonBenet Ramsey was meticulously and responsibly researched, and its information was responsibly presented. CBS stands by the broadcast in every regard.
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« Reply #55 on: September 22, 2016, 06:02:12 PM »

Who knows?  He shoulda just kept his mouth shut.  Somebody in that house murdered that kid. 

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« Reply #56 on: September 24, 2016, 03:02:23 PM »

Former Gov. Owens: CBS Ramsey Series ‘Dispelled Theory Of An Outside Intruder’

DENVER (CBS4) – Former Colorado Gov. Bill Owens has given his take on the unsolved murder of JonBenet Ramsey.

He posted the comments on his Facebook page and referred to the CBS docuseries, “The Case of: JonBenet Ramsey.”

He wrote, “I have my own strong views concerning who killed JonBenet” and “CBS is to be commended for stripping away the many myths surrounding this horrible case and presenting factually and unemotionally an unbiased account of this tragedy.”

The show gathered experts to re-examine the evidence in the murder of the six year old beauty pageant queen.

While Governor of Colorado, Bill Owens was outspoken on the case.

He once addressed the unnamed killer directly at a news conference, saying “To the killers of JonBenet Ramsey you only think you have gotten away with murder.”


Colorado Governor Bill Owens in 2001

The investigators on the show ruled out one of the two main scenarios. By phone, Owens told CBS 4’s Rick Sallinger:

“You know the show dispelled the theory of an outside intruder using very good analysis.”

The program showed the difficulty of coming in a basement window, that cobwebs would have been disturbed, and the ransom note probably took some 20 minutes to write on a notepad inside the Ramsey home.

“Obviously some crimes are never solved, but in this case I do believe that we now have a better idea of what actually happened that evening,” Owens said.

The CBS program investigators theorized the parents tried to cover up that Burke Ramsey killed JonBenet with a flashlight.

James Kolar, who worked on the case for the Boulder District Attorney and appeared on the CBS show, said on the program “He (Burke) probably would have been upset about her trying to snag a piece of pineapple and struck her with the flashlight.”

Interviewed recently on the Dr. Phil show, Burke denied that and suggested a pedophile may have killed his sister JonBenet.

Ramsey family attorney Lin Wood called the CBS conclusion “outrageous and unconscionable.” He said he planned to file a lawsuit against CBS on behalf of Burke Ramsey.
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« Reply #57 on: September 24, 2016, 03:15:05 PM »

Here's a link to the CBS show.  Haven't yet watched it, but looks to be in two parts linked from same page.  All comments will be appreciated.

http://www.cbs.com/shows/the-case-of-jonbenet-ramsey/video/24057F14-C6CD-B5FC-5F37-36E83AF1D780/the-case-of-jonbenet-ramsey-part-1/
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« Reply #58 on: September 26, 2016, 09:51:58 AM »



Ramsey Lawyer: Request for Lie Detector Test "Never Going to Happen" and Burke "Doesn't Have Anything to Prove"

He was just nine when his six-year-old sibling JonBenet was discovered strangled to death in the basement of their family home in Boulder, Colorado.

A team of experts – including a British ex-Scotland Yard behavioural analyst – claimed she was accidentally killed by her brother in a squabble over a piece of pineapple.

But his lawyer Lin Wood – who is now suing the American TV channel which made the show – told The Sun On Sunday: “Burke Ramsey doesn’t have anything to prove.

“If the Boulder Police Department called me and said we’d like to talk to Burke and have a lie detector test done, yeah I’m happy to consider it.

“But that’s never going to happen because the Boulder Police and the Boulder District Attorney’s Office have recognised that Burke Ramsey is not even a possible suspect.

“Anyone who thinks there is a basis for Burke Ramsey to take a lie detector test because of an accusation on a TV show is an idiot.”

He added: “In my view the TV show perpetrated a fraud on the viewing public.”



No-one has ever been convicted over the bizarre 1996 murder of JonBenet Ramsey, which has led to years of suspicion falling on her family.

Her mum Patsy – also a former beauty queen who lived with husband John and kids Burke and JonBenet - dialled 911 to report that her daughter had been kidnapped at 5.50am on Boxing Day.

A ransom of $118,000 (£88,500) - close to the value of a bonus that John had received earlier that year – was found in their home telling the family not to contact police.

John arranged to pay the ransom but at 1.05pm that day JonBenet’s body was discovered by her father in a little-used utility room in the family’s basement.

She had her hands tied, duct tape placed on her mouth and a wooden garrotte around her neck.

Her parents remained the prime suspects for over a decade, but were cleared in 2008 following DNA tests - two years after Patsy died of a long battle with ovarian cancer.

In August 2008 former schoolteacher John Mark Karr confessed to JonBenet’s murder, but evidence showed he could not possibly have committed it.

Older brother Burke had been ruled out as a suspect by cops in 1999, but his role was examined in this week’s CBS television documentary The Case Of: JonBenet Ramsey.



Experts including James Kolar, a former chief investigator for the District Attorney in Boulder, ex-Met analyst Laura Richards and former FBI profiler Jim Clemente, concluded that he did it.

They claimed that when JonBenet tried to take some of the fruit snack from her brother, Burke lashed out and forcefully struck his sister with a torch.

The TV sleuths alleged that in the ensuing panic, she was strangled to death.

But Burke’s lawyer blasted the show and said that no new evidence had been analysed by the team.

Mr Wood said: “The police investigated the case in 1999 and said he was not even a possible suspect.

“The only new evidence has been the DNA testing which was done in 2008. There’s no new evidence. What changed between 1999 and now?

“It is unconscionable conduct for CBS to have posed this permanent stain on the young boy’s reputation.”

Last week Burke broke his silence on the killing in an interview with US TV psychologist Phil McGraw.



He stuck up for his family, including surviving dad John, 72, and said: “What more evidence do you need that we didn’t do it?

“Look at the evidence or the lack thereof. There have been a few people who have said that it’s not even physically possible for a 9-year-old to do that.”

But the TV investigators, while all agreed there was no premeditation to kill, thought there was a clear intent by the family to mislead the police.They also branded Patsy’s 911 call to the cops “rehearsed” and cast doubt on the validity of the ransom note.

Jim Clemente said: “The Ramsey family did not want law enforcement to resolve this case and that’s why it remains unresolved.”

Burke’s lawyer told how his client would now have to live with the unproven TV claim that he was a killer.



Mr Wood said: “Burke did not watch the show – he knew in essence what was going to be said. He has now put this in the hands of his lawyers.

“I think Burke, just as he has done in the past, does the best to go about living his life as normally as he can. If there is any such thing as a normal life for the brother of the deceased.

“This is a 29-year-old young man. He is going to spend the rest of his life with people doing Google searches with headlines that ‘CBS proves Burke Ramsey killed his sister’.

“In desire for ratings a profits, they decided that the sensational story to go with was the story that would accuse Burke Ramsey. And they did it in a fashion which was totally misleading.”

In a statement, CBS defended the JonBenet Ramsey show.

It said: “The Case of: JonBenet Ramsey was meticulously and responsibly researched, and its information was responsibly presented. CBS stands by the broadcast in every regard.”
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« Reply #59 on: September 26, 2016, 10:12:47 AM »

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Yes, family friend Judith Phillips (who was not present) associates it with a "bad temper" on Burke's part.

She's now made herself clear:

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A FAMILY friend with a unique insight into the JonBenet Ramsey case has revealed she often saw flashes of anger from the murdered six-year-old’s brother.

Judith Phillips, 64, told The Sun she believes the theory that Burke is responsible for killing the beauty pageant queen almost 20 years ago.


No way, not me. I was asleep!
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« Reply #60 on: September 26, 2016, 10:23:25 AM »

Now watch her get sued.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2016, 01:06:48 PM »

Shock claim Burke Ramsey killed JonBenet — but with different weapon

A NEW twist in the sensational JonBenet Ramsey murder mystery has blown the 20-year-old case wide open yet again.

In a book published days before a recent documentary pointed the finger at her brother, the authors made the same allegation — with a few vital differences.

Nick van der Leek and Lisa Wilson, authors of current bestseller The Craven Silence, claim the six-year-old pageant queen was killed by nine-year-old Burke, but have an alternative theory about the weapon.

They also have further claims about the possible motive for him to allegedly brutally murder his sister on Christmas Day, and how his terrified parents could have covered up the shocking act at the family home in Boulder, Colorado.

Burke, now 29, has vehemently denied the accusations, and intends to sue CBS over the The Case Of: JonBenet Ramsey.



THE MOTIVE

Like the documentary’s team of criminal experts, South African Mr Van der Leek and Californian Ms Wilson do not credit the intruder theory.

Ms Wilson believes the evidence points to Burke harbouring “massive jealousy of JonBenet”.

The little girl was the apple of her mother’s eye, and was following in Patsy’s footsteps as a successful beauty queen. In family newsletters sent to friends, Mrs Ramsey devotes few lines to husband John and son Burke and is “effusive” about her youngest.

“JonBenet was really put on a pedestal,” Ms Wilson told news.com.au. “They doted on JonBenet. You can imagine this boy in the background, how is he processing this?”

There had been a number of unpleasant incidents between the siblings. Family friend Judith Phillips claimed Burke had hit his little sister in the face with a golf club about a year before her murder, with Mrs Ramsey telling her “things got out of hand.”

The authors say the Ramseys’ accounts of the event were strangely contradictory, with Mrs Ramsey’s words implying an altercation between the children and Mr Ramsey later suggesting JonBenet came up behind Burke as he swung.

“There’s a glaring disconnect between what John and Patsy are saying,” says Mr Van der Leek.

“We see this over and over,” adds Ms Wilson. “A lot of times they won’t even answer.”

The fact both JonBenet and Burke were regularly wetting the bed at six and nine years old points to “some trauma, some stress, some anxiety” in the house, adds Ms Wilson.

One of the most disturbing elements of the case was Burke reportedly smearing faeces over his sister’s walls, possessions and in her bed, according to a housekeeper.

“There’s a kind of a spitefulness going on there, a very ugly spitefulness,” says Mr Van der Leek. “This beautiful younger sister who’s being treated like a princess. Then you see Burke today ... he’s very uncertain, very insecure.

“She’s gracious, the way she carries herself, she’s got a lot of investment from her mother in terms of everything, dresses and attention, all that kind of thing. Burke — he’ll never be a Miss America.

“That really reached its nexus on Christmas Day.”



THE MURDER

So what do the authors think really happened on Christmas Day, 1996?

“From a child’s perspective, Christmas is everything, it’s the most important day of the year,” says Ms Wilson.

The authors believe everything “bubbled over” after the family returned from a Christmas dinner with friends, perhaps because of tension over presents.

“We know JonBenet got a bicycle,” says Mr Van der Leek. “In the photos of JonBenet on Christmas Day, you can see she’s standing between two bicycles and both are ladies’ bicycles with the low bar ... the other bicycle was for Patsy.”

They believe Burke was furious his younger sister received such a generous gift.

The family testimonies on the issue are strange, too. At the time, Mr Ramsey said Burke was going to get a bicycle the following year. But in his recent interview with Dr Phil, Burke said he also received a bike. “Why is something like that changing?” asks Mr Van der Leek. “There’s a very complex relationship going on between JonBenet and her brother and her parents.”

The authors note that reporters at the time emphasised there was no evidence of a break-in and no one in Boulder should be concerned about a random killer on the loose.

But they don’t buy the CBS documentary’s hypothesis that Burke killed JonBenet with a torch, wiped clean of fingerprints and left in the kitchen.

“I really don’t think the Ramseys would have left it out on the counter had they known Burke just used it on his sister,” says Ms Wilson. “I think that was out for other reasons — they were probably using it for what they were doing down in the basement.”

Instead, they claim baseball fan Burke may have bashed his sister to death with a pair of bats found in the yard far from their usual place on the patio, or with his father’s golf clubs, which were stashed away in a cupboard.


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THE COVER-UP

The writers conjure up a picture of a middle-class mansion gripped by fear, with the parents spending the night feverishly devising a plan to protect their only remaining child, the house lights off to avoid attracting suspicion.

They claim the Ramseys flung the bats out into the snowy yard to make it look as though an intruder grabbed them on the way in and then dropped them on their way out.

The writers allege Mrs Ramsey wrote a ransom note and the parents made a garotte from nylon and a paintbrush to tie around their daughter’s neck and make it look as though JonBenet had been strangled.

“The ransom note alone is massive evidence,” says Mr Van der Leek. “It’s pen and ink from the kitchen, Patsy’s pad, the handwriting is tested across 73 different suspects and the only one they can’t exclude is Patsy.”

He claims the “floweriness” and “pageantry” of the three-page letter reflects Mrs Ramsey’s dramatic style seen in her newsletters.

“What’s really interesting about this case is there’s not one piece of evidence that tells the whole story,” says Ms Wilson. “Everything that was there didn’t do what is was supposed to do.

“The ransom note didn’t collect a ransom; the garotte didn't work like a garotte, they didn’t fashion it properly; she was terribly injured, cracked across the head and strangled, yet wrapped nicely in a blanket. Nothing added up.”



WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS CASE?

As proven by the popularity of recent documentaries and proliferation of online forums devoted to discussing JonBenet, the world remains gripped by this shocking murder, 20 years on.

This isn’t just ghoulishness, although the case is certainly macabre: there is something about it that compels us to seek out the truth.

“JonBenet is the biggest cold case in America, and it’s something that always bothered me,” says Ms Wilson. “There’s political things that are going on there. I had a desire to first of all find justice for this little girl but I also wanted to get back into the detail. Time and space gives you extra perspective.”

The fact a grand jury voted to indict the Ramseys but Boulder’s then-prosecutor, Alex Hunter, threw out the case is particularly frustrating. In fact, District Attorney Mr Hunter had never prosecuted a single case.

“Everything is settled through negotiation,” says Mr Van der Leek. “It’s a very wealthy individual ... it is a town full of very wealthy people.”

Mr Van der Leek claims the Ramseys’ flight to Atlanta and back in the days after the murder without telling police is suspicious.

He claims the family were doing what they liked, despite such strong demands from the Boulder Police for an interview that they initially refused to release JonBenet’s body for burial until the Ramseys came in for questioning. Their lawyers quickly put a stop to that.

What makes this case so interesting to sleuths like Ms Wilson and Mr Van der Leek is the fact we are still hearing new information and differing accounts.

In recent A&E documentary The Killing of JonBenet: The Truth Uncovered, which supported the intruder theory, we saw psychological reports that mentioned the golf club injuries and then were apparently deliberately redacted by the program.

In Burke’s Dr Phil interview, he mentioned for the first time that he got up and went back downstairs to play with a toy after being put to bed.

The CBS documentary delved into why undigested pineapple was found in JonBenet’s stomach if she really had been fast asleep when they arrived home, as her parents said she was.

“What strikes you going through all the interviews is how inconsistent they are,” says Mr Van der Leek. “This case which should be quite simple becomes complicated. Why is it so difficult to remember a simple thing?

“The fact there’s this muddiness around really simple thing like a bike is just odd. Patsy and John were both involved in putting JonBenet to bed, but they can’t quite agree on who did what.

“JonBenet never went to bed that night, she never went to bed and fell asleep.”
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« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2016, 01:22:02 PM »

^^^ Good read.
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« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2016, 01:43:59 PM »

^^^ Good read.

I agree.  It fits things together in a most believable way.
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« Reply #64 on: October 04, 2016, 01:46:37 PM »

I agree.  It fits things together in a most believable way.

Nothing new for the most part, but I agree.  The best book I've read about it is Foreign Faction by James Kolar.  He was on the panel on the recent CBS show.  Completely blows up the intruder theory. 
 
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« Reply #65 on: October 04, 2016, 02:03:48 PM »

Nothing new for the most part, but I agree.  The best book I've read about it is Foreign Faction by James Kolar.  He was on the panel on the recent CBS show.  Completely blows up the intruder theory. 
 

Yes, just getting into the reasons as being more substantial than a dispute over a piece of pineapple between two rich kids.

And I agree.  Unless info exists which has so-far been hidden, I simply cannot see how someone entered that house at that time.  Seems kind of silly for anyone to continue pushing a theory that uses an intruder, though they're still out there.

But I've seen the autopsy photos, and it really gets me a little bit to add-up how things must have happened.  In a way, I'd almost wish it was an intruder and not a parent that caused the little girl's final state.

From the former Boulder PD boss who investigated, this sort of says it all:

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The strangulation came 45 minutes to two hours after the head strike, based on the swelling on the brain.
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« Reply #66 on: October 04, 2016, 02:45:55 PM »

Yes, just getting into the reasons as being more substantial than a dispute over a piece of pineapple between two rich kids.

And I agree.  Unless info exists which has so-far been hidden, I simply cannot see how someone entered that house at that time.  Seems kind of silly for anyone to continue pushing a theory that uses an intruder, though they're still out there.

But I've seen the autopsy photos, and it really gets me a little bit to add-up how things must have happened.  In a way, I'd almost wish it was an intruder and not a parent that caused the little girl's final state.

From the former Boulder PD boss who investigated, this sort of says it all:


Yep that time of strangulation is definitely a problem for the intruder theory. 

Only documented case in American history where an alleged kidnapper broke into a house, used pen and paper from the house, writes a three page ransom note, then leaves the body behind. 

Also, the amount of the ransom was the same as John Ramsey's bonus.   
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« Reply #67 on: October 04, 2016, 03:08:48 PM »

This one is just too much IMO.

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« Reply #68 on: October 04, 2016, 03:11:21 PM »

Lin Wood knows, too, he needs to be damn careful about what he does.  He's not stupid and no doubt he knows what's up.
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« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2016, 03:16:42 PM »

JonBenét Ramsey's brother sues investigator who said he killed his sister for $150 million

Burke Ramsey is suing Dr. Werner Spitz, one of the investigators from CBS's recent JonBenét Ramsey documentary special, for defamation.

According to court papers obtained by Business Insider, Burke is suing Spitz for stating that Burke killed his younger sister, JonBenét, during a radio interview with CBS Detroit — not for his participation in the televised CBS special.

In the complaint — filed in the third circuit court for the County of Wayne, Michigan, on Thursday — Spitz is accused of being a "publicity seeker," who on the 20th anniversary of JonBenét's murder has "once again interjected himself into a high-profile case to make unsupported, false, and sensational statements and accusations."

It details that during the radio interview, Spitz "claims Burke, age nine at the time of his sister's death, bludgeoned her to death. Defendant Spitz made this accusation without ever examining JonBenét's body, without viewing the crime scene, and without consulting with the pathologist who performed the autopsy on JonBenét."

The complaint calls for a jury trial and requests no less than $150 million in damages, a retraction, and no further defamatory accusations against Burke.

A representative for Spitz said he had no comment on the lawsuit.

Last month, Burke's attorney said he would be suing CBS over the findings in its special, "The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey." The special's investigators landed on the theory that nine-year-old Burke Ramsey allegedly killed his younger sister by accident in a fit of anger. According to their theory, his parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, then allegedly created the scenario of an intruder who killed their daughter in order to protect their son.

Burke's attorney, L. Lin Wood, told Business Insider in an email that the "CBS complaint will be filed at end of October to allow statutory time for correction to expire."

In response to the proposed suit, a network representative previously told Business Insider, " CBS stands by the broadcast and will do so in court."
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JonBenét Ramsey's brother sues investigator who said he killed his sister for $150 million

Burke Ramsey is suing Dr. Werner Spitz, one of the investigators from CBS's recent JonBenét Ramsey documentary special, for defamation.

According to court papers obtained by Business Insider, Burke is suing Spitz for stating that Burke killed his younger sister, JonBenét, during a radio interview with CBS Detroit — not for his participation in the televised CBS special.

In the complaint — filed in the third circuit court for the County of Wayne, Michigan, on Thursday — Spitz is accused of being a "publicity seeker," who on the 20th anniversary of JonBenét's murder has "once again interjected himself into a high-profile case to make unsupported, false, and sensational statements and accusations."

It details that during the radio interview, Spitz "claims Burke, age nine at the time of his sister's death, bludgeoned her to death. Defendant Spitz made this accusation without ever examining JonBenét's body, without viewing the crime scene, and without consulting with the pathologist who performed the autopsy on JonBenét."

The complaint calls for a jury trial and requests no less than $150 million in damages, a retraction, and no further defamatory accusations against Burke.

A representative for Spitz said he had no comment on the lawsuit.

Last month, Burke's attorney said he would be suing CBS over the findings in its special, "The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey." The special's investigators landed on the theory that nine-year-old Burke Ramsey allegedly killed his younger sister by accident in a fit of anger. According to their theory, his parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, then allegedly created the scenario of an intruder who killed their daughter in order to protect their son.

Burke's attorney, L. Lin Wood, told Business Insider in an email that the "CBS complaint will be filed at end of October to allow statutory time for correction to expire."

In response to the proposed suit, a network representative previously told Business Insider, " CBS stands by the broadcast and will do so in court."

Very interested to see how these play out.  The prior lawsuits came before we knew about the grand jury indictment and before that intruder theory was soundly debunked (although I never believed it and think Steve Thomas? nailed it early on his book).
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« Reply #71 on: October 06, 2016, 04:55:16 PM »

Very interested to see how these play out.  The prior lawsuits came before we knew about the grand jury indictment and before that intruder theory was soundly debunked (although I never believed it and think Steve Thomas? nailed it early on his book).

Yes, I agree.  It is interesting, and in a twisted way sorta funny (only because Lin Wood being so uptight and Burke being such a flipping fruitcake).
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« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2016, 10:19:13 AM »

Covers last article, plus more information done in way (for whatever reason) that's at least partially helpful to Burke.

'JonBenet Ramsey' Latest News & Updates: Brother Burke Ramsey Sues CBS Pathologist? Is He Guilty?

A defamation lawsuit has been filed by Burke, eldest the brother of JonBenet Ramsey, against Dr. Werner Spitz. The pathologist accused Burke of killing JonBenet Ramsey.

Just last month, CBS released "The Case of JonBenet Ramsey."  Dr. Spitz was one of the featued investigators.

E! News reports that the 29-year-old brother of JonBenet sued the doctor as results of his investigation point out to Burke as the primary suspect. Burke Ramsey fas filed a $150 million case against Spitz in the third circuit court of Michigan.

According to the court papers obtained by the publication, Spitz's stint in a radio interview with CBS is what pushed the brother of JonBenet Ramsey to file the case. During the interview, Burke was reportedly accused of causing the blow to the head of JonBenet Ramsey without even without examining the body.

Dr. Spitz was not in the JonBenet Ramsey crime scene. Dr. Spitz also reportedly did not speak with the pathologist who handled the corpse of JonBenet Ramsey.

JonBenet's parents, Patsy and John Ramsey, were the initial primary suspects when the crime happened 20 years ago in Boulder, Colo. But, it is only until now that the case has been reopened that Burke's dragged into the primary list of suspects.

According to the new theory that "The Case of JonBenet Ramsey" has discovered, Burke may have killed JonBenet and their parents had to cover up his wrongdoing. This makes the Ramsey couple an accessory to the crime, if the accusation is proven.

A defamation lawsuit has been filed by Burke, eldest the brother of JonBenet Ramsey, against Dr. Werner Spitz. The pathologist accused Burke of killing JonBenet Ramsey.

Just last month, CBS released "The Case of JonBenet Ramsey."  Dr. Spitz was one of the featued investigators.

E! News reports that the 29-year-old brother of JonBenet sued the doctor as results of his investigation point out to Burke as the primary suspect. Burke Ramsey fas filed a $150 million case against Spitz in the third circuit court of Michigan.

According to the court papers obtained by the publication, Spitz's stint in a radio interview with CBS is what pushed the brother of JonBenet Ramsey to file the case. During the interview, Burke was reportedly accused of causing the blow to the head of JonBenet Ramsey without even without examining the body.

Dr. Spitz was not in the JonBenet Ramsey crime scene. Dr. Spitz also reportedly did not speak with the pathologist who handled the corpse of JonBenet Ramsey.

JonBenet's parents, Patsy and John Ramsey, were the initial primary suspects when the crime happened 20 years ago in Boulder, Colo. But, it is only until now that the case has been reopened that Burke's dragged into the primary list of suspects.

According to the new theory that "The Case of JonBenet Ramsey" has discovered, Burke may have killed JonBenet and their parents had to cover up his wrongdoing. This makes the Ramsey couple an accessory to the crime, if the accusation is proven.

Aside from the parents of JonBenet Ramsey and brother Burke, her elder half-brother, John Andrew Ramsey, was speculated to be one of the killers. However, no official records enlisted him to be a part of the roster.

In a previous report by Parent Herald, a suitcase was found in the crime scene belonging to JonBenet's half-brother. The suitcase contained a semen-encrusted blanket and a Dr. Seuss book. At the time, John Andrew was 30 years old, without a child and could be too old to read Dr. Seuss.

It was also reported that Burke Ramsey used to be very relaxed and seemed to be too careless when he was interviewed during the 90s investigation. He was then nine years old. Burke also creeped out viewers after he was seen constantly and weirdly smiling as he accounts the death of JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Phil.

JonBenet Ramsey was killed on December 26, 1996 and was found to have blows in her head. Autopsy report also revealed that JonBenet Ramsey might have possibly been sexually assaulted as her genital's opening is twice larger than that of a normal six-year-old.
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« Reply #73 on: October 07, 2016, 10:24:07 AM »

Rest in Peace, JonBenet

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« Reply #74 on: October 07, 2016, 05:23:21 PM »









More: https://www.scribd.com/document/326738754/Burke-Ramsey-v-Werner-Spitz#fullscreen&from_embed
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